Why?

[whosinpower]

Was it just a bloated obscene vision of a successful presidency that caused Bush to have paranoid delusions that the Iraq war would forever set his name in the annals of visionary great presidents?

Did he somehow think that a war would set his course to greatness - regardless of the outcome, the pain, the sacrifices - the horror?

Was it just greed and money?

What was it that so consumed this presidency that they lied about the need, smeared any who pointed out truths they refused to listen to and condemned any who went public?

If Americans were not questioning the presidents decisions then - they are now - with the Downing Street minutes exposing their lies and now the smear campaign perpetrated from the very top of the White house to Ambassador Wilson for his role in telling truth to power.

We know now that Iraq posed no threat, had no WMD, was not aligned with Al quaida. And we also know that the Bush administration knew those same details when cheerleading the march to war.

In the end, they got their way. They got their war. Heaven help us now. America is stuck, the world burns, and one of the great bastions of the free world and democracy has been exposed as a fraud. So now what? One can only hope that the truth will set us free from this burden. One can only hope that Fitzgerald is a straight shooter - and I am sure he is facing considerable pressure right now.

There is one silver lining in this cloud of despair. Bush, for all his rambling about protecting and preserving the free world has officially been exposed to the truth and the people see him for what he is - a fraud. His name will never go down in the history books as a great man, a wise man, and a visionary president. His name will forever be aligned with lies, misstatements, fraud, and failure.

This is the summer of discontent. If Bush doesn't cut Rove loose soon - he will lose his presidency.

[sweetheart]

1. War is an age-old technique for cementing power

and increasing it. When populist pressures pull away from the center
and provide complexity and diversity of governance, war is the opposite,
a crafty way to pave over the garden and usurp all the treasury for
your personal graft.

No matter the barbarity, war-kings are always remembered kindly by their
countries, even the most dastardly of them.

He will lose everything when he dies and he will be forgotten. Is that
not life's fundamental truth?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

2. Thanks for that but if this is true:

"If Bush doesn't cut Rove loose soon - he will lose his presidency"

then shouldnt we hope he DOESNT cut Rove loose?

[whosinpower]

6. I don't think he can cut him loose

Rove is as integral as Bush himself. Hence, the dilemma facing the White House.

Their lies are catching up with them...and the world sees all.

[RaleighNCDUer]

3. Why? PNAC.

They have their grand strategic plan which calls for gaining control over all the middle-east's oil, so as to stunt the growth of Europe as an economic and military threat to US supremacy. In their narrow, racist view of the world, only the Europeans (including Russia) can challenge America. India and China are too overpopulated and are headed for collapse. Japan has no resources of its own. South Americans are incapable of governing themselves, which is why there are all those revolutions going on all the time (I heard that one said by a professor of mine, justifying the overthrow of Allende). The only power bloc that the neocons fear is Europe.

Rove was just a tool. In the long run, * is equally just a tool. They will sacrifice anybody for their agenda.

They are truly divorced from reality.

[earth mom]

4. Here's an excellent explaination as to why...

I posted a thread about it, but got no replies and it sunk like a stone. Read the entire article at the link at the bottom-it's very enlightening.

The London Bombings and The Class War

"The terror attacks on the people of London, the 9/11 attacks on Americans, and the Iraq war itself are not matters principally of foreign but of domestic policy–a fact which has been neglected by most anti-war commentators, who tend to view these things only in terms of American (or British) imperialism. While the main victims of the war on Iraq are the Iraqi people, the main purpose driving the war and its attendant terror is the class war by the American elite against American working people. The war in Iraq is being waged as a means of controlling ordinary Americans (and British), providing the opportunity for transforming American society into a military and police state through such measures as the Patriot Act, airport searches, the suspension of habeas corpus at Guantanamo and in the case of Jose Padilla and more than 1,000 persons detained in the US after 9/11 without charges or due process, and for the unprecedented attack on pensions and retirement and other aspects of working people's livelihoods. The ruling class could never get away with these things in the absence of a war, which had to be created under false pretenses for the purpose."

http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/War/London.htm

[AwakeAtLast]

7. Interesting. Why don't you repost?

I think more people would like to read this. At least I bookmarked it. :hi:

[earth mom]

8. I kicked it, but it dropped so quickly it made my head spin-LOL!

Thanks for reading and bookmarking. I think it's spot on!

:hi:

here's the thread I started...probably now on page 6 or 7...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4097770&mesg_id=4097770

[AwakeAtLast]

10. I kicked it for ya!

:kick:

[earth mom]

11. Thank You!

:yourock:

[TNDemo]

5. He was going to prove to daddy he was better.

He has failed miserably, of course, as he always has and his dad still thinks he is a loser.

[electron_blue]

9. Cheney & Bush both had reasons

Remember... Cheney was Secy of Defense for Bush Sr. During the Gulf War. Cheney's had a burr up his a$$ about Iraq since then. Either that, or after that war, he saw a way to better exploit it if he could only go find a way to go to war again with Iraq. Cheney's maneuvering of troops into Saudi Arabia reportedly fueled Osama's 9/11 dreams, but I digress. Here's a fun website that explains Cheney so that his actions just make so much sense:

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/dick-cheney/

Bush is on record as having said that one of his goals as President (before he was elected) was to simultaneous wage and win two major wars. This man has some serious ego issues. Add that to known issues related to having to show up his father and we've got a man who's easily manipulated by someone he trusts implicitly (Cheney). By having been Bush Sr.'s Secy of Defense, Cheney is in a position to pump up Dubya's ego by favorable comparisons to his dad. Imagine how easy it would be for Cheney to get Dubya to do something because it would make his father look bad...

Gads, I can't wait to read some of the more thorough biographies of Cheney & Dubya in 20 or so years, assuming the world doesn't go to hell in a handbasket before then.