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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:23 PM
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Dan Brown's next novel The Solomon Key...Freemasons and WashDC
street layouts, etc. Seems like a winner. Those DC streets were laid out in Masonic <G> patterns and all. And books about Washington DC's "secret architecture" have been written before.

The Washington Monument is itself the "G" , with the Capital building in the east, the WhiteHouse in the North, the Lincoln Memorial in the West and Jefferson Memorial to the South.

The dopey movie National Treasure started to get into some of our Founding Father's Freemasonic beliefs, but never really got too far. The 'treasure' never is an earthly one anyway.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:25 PM
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1. what does the "G" represent?
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:28 PM
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4. Geometry.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:27 PM
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8. Might be a subject for a heated debate....
There are two distinct meaning given for the letter G: the first is for Geometry, and the second is for God.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/theletterG.html
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Gruenemann Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:04 AM
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13. And anti-Masonic Southern Baptists would have us believe...
...it stands for 'genitals.'

I promise I'm not making this up.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:09 AM
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16. well, they also combine the two with that "Grand Geometer" concept
or however it went. its been years since I bored myself to sleep reading the likes of Pike.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:03 AM
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12. 'wink wink, nod nod' eom
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:11 AM
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17. (clears throat)
Mr Wiggin: You excrement! You lousy hypocritical whining toadies with your lousy colour TV sets and your Tony Jacklin golf clubs and your bleeding masonic handshakes! You wouldn't let me join, would you, you blackballing bastards. Well I wouldn't become a freemason now if you went down on your lousy, stinking, purulent knees and begged me.

Second City Gent: Well, we're sorry you feel like that but we, er, did want a block of flats. Nice though the abattoir is.

Mr Wiggin: Oh (blows raspberry) the abattoir, that's not important. But if any of you could put in a word for me I'd love to be a freemason. Freemasonry opens doors. I mean, I was...I was a bit on edge just now, but if I were a mason I'd sit at the back and not get in anyone's way.

First City Gent: Thank you.

Mr Wiggin: I've got a second-hand apron.

Second City Gent: Thank you.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:11 AM
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32. The Architects Sketch -- Monty Python !
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:13 AM
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29. "limits give form to the limitless." _ Pythagoras
He's not just a theorem
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:44 AM
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31. Masonic Letter G= Hebrew Gimel. It Means Camel & Represents Prakriti
or the Universal Mind Stuff that is the building block of Objective Planes of Existence or Material Reality.

It is the Root Substance.

Gimel is also a double letter Peace/Strife and is called the Unifying Intelligence.

This references the Subconscious as connecting medium between human personalities.

Gimel is what enables Communication. It's what unifies all of us.

For more info seek Paul Foster Case's definitive and authoritative works:

The Masonic Letter G
The Great Seal of the United States

Paul Foster Case was a 33 degree Mason as well as Praimonstrator General of the Golden Dawn before he left to form Builders of the Adytum (the latter group where I'm an active member).



The Masonic Letter G by Dr. Paul Foster Case
In this small volume, Paul Foster Case develops with clarity a link between the Masonic degrees and the Qabalistic tradition. He shows that Masonry cannot be fully appreciated or understood without knowledge of the Qabalistic Tree of Life and insight into the true nature of man and of the Cosmos. Students of Gematria and geometry will find this book especially interesting.
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The Great Seal of the United States by Dr. Paul Foster Case
Dr. Cases instructive booklet concerning the history, symbolism and significance of the Great Seal of the United States and its message for the New Age. As the national coat of arms, the Seal states symbolically the principles which animated the founders of the new republic. To insure the safety of our national life, Dr. Case states that we must go back to the fundamentals of true Americanism clearly set forth in the symbolism of the Great Seal.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:26 PM
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2. fair enough ~
http://watch.pair.com/mason.html there's plenty for brown to work with :thumbsup:
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:33 PM
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5. LOL! Thanks! This is priceless. The next time I get forwarded that old
"The Founding Fathers Were Christians" email, I'll happily direct them to this site.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:12 PM
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6. lol2...
don'cha just wanna see that 'freemason' season greetings :rofl: their, founding fathers, initial references are to "natural law"...hm...what ever could they have been referring too :shrug:
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LeftyDarthBrodie Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:27 PM
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3. Hopefully this is better than The DaVinci Code
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:15 PM
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7. www.cultofdanbrown.com website for fans to check things out !
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:33 PM
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9. Every president until Kennedy
was a Mason. Makes you wonder.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:34 PM
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10. Check out the Scottish Rite Temple in D.C.
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 11:39 PM by Jara sang
The building is magnificent, designed by John Russel Pope, who designed the National Archives and the Jefferson Memorial. It is a copy of the tomb of King Mausolus at Halicarnassus, one of the seven wonders of the ancient world. George Washington Masonic Memorial in Alexandria Va. across the Potomac is a copy of the lighthouse of Alexandria another of the seven wonders.

The tour of the Scottish Rite Temple on 16th street in D.C. north of the Whitehouse is pretty cool. They had FBI Director Hoover's office dismantled and reconstructed in the basement as a shrine to him. Right next to it is a shrine to... Burl Ives, another mason, totally weird.



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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:02 AM
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11. Google Duncan's Masonic Rituals and you can learn more
about the degrees, etc.

www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/

Also, David Ovason's book on The Secret Architecture of Our Nation's Capital is quite interesting. The Pope's Stone episode with the Washington Monument, the obilisk,

www.nps.gov/wamo/history/chap3.htm

scroll down to 'Theft of the Pope's Stone', is a real hoot too !

What's really funny is that nowadays the Catholic end-times eschatology, which the Freemasons did NOT share, called futurism, is now the basis of Protestant end-times "Left Behind" eschatology (see
www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm ).

Freemasons didn't rely upon a rebuilt modern literal Third Temple, but a metaphysical spiritual Third Temple if you will that each Mason builds for himself-- 'the body is the temple of the spirit'.

Now do you see what Dan Brown might be leading up to ? At least I think this is his novel's plotline. It is in reality, I can tell you that !
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:15 PM
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14. I have David Ovason's book and I live in the DC area
It's pretty good, I've been going around to all the sights and trying to find the different zodiacs. Have you ever checked out the website of the Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon? It is a pretty good reference. They try to "debunk" all the conspiracies surrounding Freemasonry and come down on Ovason. It is good because a lot of these theories are not mainstream and they are shining a light on things that people don't really know about defeating the purpose of the webpage. Though the whole site isn't devoted to debunking. Weird stuff.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:54 PM
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15. They came down because he's an astrologer from what I've seen
so far and this stuff tends to assist the crazy stuff re satanic symbols of Goats Head etc ... Masons aren't purveyors of a separate religion despite what some evangelists have to say. Even the Lutheran synod website discourages Masonic membership by saying this.

I seriously doubt George Washington would have supported such a 'religion'. In fact, his Prayer for the nation
http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/washington/earnest... and in many other of his, and other founding father Freemasons, you see the 'hidden secret' language of Divine Author etc.

TGAOTU, The Great Architect of the Universe, were ways to invoke God's blessings without making an overt reference to WHICH god in order to show tolerance for all religions. The current dustups over religion would look more like provocations to those guys, IMHO.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:16 AM
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30. Jeez - it reminds me of the Skull & Boner Tomb or Crypt or whatever
on the Yale campus.

Freakee Deekee

Bush Bonesmen: G.W. -- GHWB -- Grandpappy Bush -- and some uncle, olde Bunky Bush or some shit like that.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:17 AM
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18. Suggestion: "The Historical Illuminati Chronicles"
By Robert Anton Wilson, of course. Followed by "The Illuminatus Trilogy." Of course, many will prefer Dan Brown's "Conspiracy for Eejits" series.

"Mumbo Jumbo" by Ishmael Reed has a unique angle on the subject, including the Harlem Renaissance & Hoodoo. Plus the Templars!
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:21 AM
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19. I loved his Da Vinci Code. I am interested in reading more of his work.
Can't wait until this novel hits the shelves.

Anyone want to suggest other Dan Brown books?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:22 AM
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20. America's Dog Star Days
From my blog last month. Links live at the site.

I know how crazy this sounds to us. But how crazy it sounds to us is beside the point.


America's Dog Star Days



Twinkle, twinkle

Remember the Order of the Solar Temple? In 1994 the neo-Templar secret society, founded by Joseph Di Mambro and Luc Jouret, embarked on its very own cultic auto-destruct sequence, when 69 of its members, including children, either killed themselves or were murdered in their chalet-compounds in Switzerland and Quebec. (The trigger for the group's termination appears to have been the ritual slaying of a three-year old infant with a wooden stake, on order of Di Mambro.)

The OST was not just screwy and dangerous; it was also implausibly, yet undeniably, connected. Alex Constantine tells us to what in his Psychic Dictatorship in the USA:

French-Canadian journalist Pierre Tourangeau investigated the sect for two years. A few days after the mass murder, he reported that the sect was financed by the proceeds of gun-running to Europe and South America. Simultaneously, Radio Canada announced that Jouret's Templars earned hundreds of millions of dollars laundering the profits through the infamous Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), closed by authorities worldwide in 1991. Montreal's La Presse observed: "each new piece of information only thickens the mystery."

So this seemingly outlandish Order, which played out deadly Templar fantasies, were themselves yet another facet of the even more bizarre military-occult complex. Like the fascist-Masonic P2 Lodge, the Solar Temple violated the conventions most people presume for the world. And yet, there it is: one more crypto-criminal node in the international arms trade, laundering hundreds of millions through BCCI.

And because of the secret Order's deep and weird politics, we should pay some attention to its mythology. Perhaps particularly to the teaching that members would be reincarnated, after martyrdom, on a planet orbiting Sirius, the dog star.

Though Sirius must mean little now to most urbanites bedeviled by light pollution, for much of human history our nights were lit chiefly by the stars. And the brightest star in the sky - and the nearest star visible with the naked eye - certainly has loomed large in the Western Hermetic tradition.

Consider Freemasonry, from which the OST liberally borrorowed, and the high regard in which it holds Sirius, and with whom - Set/Lucifer - the star is identified.

In Morals and Dogma, Albert Pike writes that Sirius was "the inventor of language, grammar, astronomy, surveying, arithmetic, music, and medical science; the first maker of laws; and who taught the worship of the Gods, and the building of Temples." He adds that the "Blazing Star" pentagram of Masonic Lodges represents Sirius, the "Guardian and Guide of our Souls."

Alice Bailey, successor to Helena Blavatsky and founder of the Lucifer, later Lucis, Trust, went Pike one better, and claimed that Sirius was actually the source of a "higher form" of Masonry. She wrote:

One great fact to be borne in mind is that the initiations of the planet or of the solar system are but the preparatory initiations of admission into the greater Lodge on Sirius.... The first four initiations of the solar system prior to the first cosmic initiation. The fifth initiation corresponds to the first cosmic initiation. that of "entered apprentice" of the Lodge Sirius. The sixth initiation is analogous to the second degree in Masonry, whilst the seventh initiation makes the Adept a Master Mason of the Brotherhood of Sirius. A Master, therefore, is one who had taken the seventh planetary initiation, the fifth solar initiation, and the first Sirian or cosmic initiation.

And from Bailey's The Rays and the Initiations:

These ancient mysteries were originally given to humanity by the Hierarchy, and were - in their turn - received by the Hierarchy from the Great White Lodge on Sirius. They contain the clue to the evolutionary process, hidden in number and words ...they veil the secret of man's origin and destiny.

Bailey's remark that initiations into Earthly orders are preparatory for admission into Sirius' Great White Lodge reminds me of our discussion here regarding the resemblance of UFO abductions to occult inititations.

Robert Temple, author of The Sirius Mystery, summarizes Bailey's views this way: "The Sirians have tried hard to civilise us without much success. Freemasonry is meant to be one of their civilising forces here. (Of course the corrupt Masonic lodges such as P-2 would form no part of this.)"

(Naturally Temple would find Bailey's remarks interesting, as his central "mystery" concerns the apparent oral tradition of the Dogon people of Mali that Sirius has a companion star, which it does, though it wasn't discovered by science until the mid-19th Century. Temple infers from the Dogon's teachings that they were visited in antiquity by Sirians. It's another discussion, but I'll just say here I'm not persuaded by Temple's work, nor convinced of the rigour of his methods.)

Kenneth Grant, student of Aleister Crowley and founder of the "Typhonian OTO" and its "Cult of Lam," writes in The Magical Revival that Crowley "unequivocally identifies his Holy Guardian Angel with Sothis (Sirius), or Set-Isis." Set, of course, will be familiar to those who've followed the career of Colonel Michael Aquino, who created the Temple of Set when he found Anton LaVey and his Church of Satan not serious enough in their devotion to the Left Hand Path.

Adam Gorightly, in "Ritual Magic, Mind Control and the UFO Phenomenon," writes how, in the 1950s and '60s, alleged contactee George Hunt Williamson is said to have "summoned forth certain denizens purportedly from Sirius, conversing to them in the same 'Enochian' or 'Angelic' language used by John Dee and Aleister Crowley." Williamson also claimed that a secret society on Earth had been in contact with Sirius for "thousands of years, and that the emblem of this secret society is the eye of Horus, otherwise known as the all-seeing eye."

In "Sorcery, Sex, Assassination, and the Science of Symbolism" (available in Jim Keith's anthology Secret and Suppressed: Banned Ideas and Hidden History), the late James Shelby Downard argues that a Sirius cult exists today at the highest levels of US military intelligence. Downard goes so far as to say that the viewing chamber of the Palomar Observatory is used for its rituals, which evoke those of ancient Egypt, and are performed in the star's focused light.

And according to David Ovason's book The Secret Architecture of our Nation's Capitol, Freemasons oriented and consecrated Washington to the astrological representation of Lucifer, Sirius.

More here on Washington's Masonic grid:

According to occultic/Satanic doctrine, the upper four points of the represent the four elements of the world, Fire, Water, Earth, and Air. The bottom fifth point represents the spirit of Lucifer. ... In the street layout of Washington D.C., the fifth point is the White House, a symbol placement which represents the intention that the spirit and the mind of Lucifer will be permanently residing in the White House.



In the map above, beginning from top left to top middle:

1. Dupont Circle, Logan Circle, and Scott Circle in the middle, form the top three points of the Devil's Goathead of Mendes, one of the most important types of the Five-pointed Devil's Pentagram.

2. Washington Circle forms the extreme left-hand point of the Goathead.

3. Mt. Vernon Square forms the extreme right-hand point of the Goathead.

4. The White House forms the fifth and bottom point of the Goathead.

There is a 666 evident in the most important top three circles of the Goathead, Dupont Circle, Scott Circle, and Logan Circle. Each of these streets has six major streets coming into them from all angles of the circle. This type of encoding is so typical of the occultist.


You can't be Sirius?

It's not my contention that entities from Sirius are now, or ever have been, an influence upon human affairs. Rather, I would suggest that the Sirius mythology is a purely human construct, a very ancient and very natual one, which has been exploited by trickster, transdimensional entities much closer to our home. (John Keel's ultraterrestrials, who may reside a "vibration" or two away from our own reality.)

That Sirius would be of global significance to both ancient and modern human cosmologies should be no surprise. After all, "intrinsically", Sirius is 20 times brighter than our Sun, and more than twice as massive. Now consider what our mediocre and virtual dwarf star must look like from Sirius. It's highly unlikely we would be noticed at all by hypothetical Sirians, let alone the object of their intense study going back millenia.

Yet entities have claimed to be from Sirius. Well, naturally they have. They've claimed a lot of things. The entities with whom we share hyperspace found a ready-made cult, as Cortez did in Mexico. And not just the Sirius cult, when we consider such things as the possible counterfeit apparitions of the Virgin Mary. The human religious impulse has been exploited for millenia, and not just by humanity. Why would transdimensional entities disabuse the primatives living behind their veil of flesh of the notion that they are Sirian gods? Hell, it sounds like a party. And since when have such tricksters told us the truth about anything?

I know how crazy this sounds. But as I've said before, how crazy any of this sounds to us is beside the point. In fact, its craziness can be a stumbling block to our apprehending the processes at work. Because what is at work is only tangentially about us, even though it could get us all killed - or worse. It is about those for whom none of this is crazy: not the ceremonial robes, not the ritual sacrifices, not the reverence for Sirius, not the worship of Lucifer. Hey, not even the laundering of hundreds of millions of dollars in arms deals.

In Cosmic Trigger, Robert Anton Wilson writes that "July 23 is the day when, according to Egyptian tradition, the occult link is most powerful between Earth and Sirius." The 23rd is the Sumerian and Egyptian New Year, when Sirius rises from behind the Sun. This marked the beginning of the "Dog Days" of Summer, which the Egyptians observed until September 8, "when the last rituals to Sirius were performed."

Is this really why the elite will gather next month in Bohemian Grove? To celebrate New Year's in July?

Then the traveler in the dark
Thanks you for your tiny spark;
He could not see which way to go,
If you did not twinkle so.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:55 AM
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21. my head hurts
I think I get your point, that what is important is that some people, powerful people, do believe this stuff. Best I can tell it's all a load of dingo kidneys. That's not to say that there's not more going on than meets the eye, of that I'm pretty sure. But like Dylan's Mr Jones I don't know what it is. Not surprising, as Konrad Lorenz said, animals evolve to perceive what is necessary to survive. The rest is superfluous, albeit interesting.

That our leadership class(alphas) should seriously indulge in such strengthens my creeping suspicion that we are an maladapted species. They should have other fish to fry.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 09:36 AM
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22. I feel your pain
I never cared for the taste of dingo kidneys myself, but I fear in some circles they're considered a delicacy.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 09:47 AM
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23. Cool
Do you got any links? My sister is a huge Dan Brown fan.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 09:54 AM
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24. Absolute nonsense
I've read about this already. It's basically finding patterns in the street then bending the logic to fit the pattern.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 09:57 AM
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25. Nonsense sells....
I'm a great fan of occult conspiracy books. The best ones are semi-skeptical & usually have a sense of humor. Or they are elegant mind games. But these books tend to be long & heavy, with many multi-syllable words.

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:04 AM
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26. This will be exposing this secret society controling our
government!!!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:16 AM
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33. With the media, actually, it's all a joke
Godfather 3 even mentions P2 (a phony 'masonic' lodge concocted by the CIA and Vatican in order to discredit freemasonry in general) and shoot, Godfather I in 1972 was financed by Gulf & Western, whom Michele Sindona, godfather to Pope Paul VI and a mafioso, would most certainly NOT have been a Freemason of any sort...

But that's Hollyweird for you.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:08 AM
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27. "Two Crowns for America" by Katherine Kurtz sounds similar
"Two Crowns for America" by Katherine Kurtz is a "alternate reality" novel about the founding fathers and the influence of their masonic beliefs. Here is some stuff on Amazon:

From Publishers Weekly
Blending historical detail and supernatural fantasy, as in her Deryni series and Lammas Night, Kurtz depicts a believable alternate American Revolution driven by the occult machinations of an age-old Master as well as destiny and Masonic solidarity. Kurtz, however, rightly emphasizes the more human characters, likable and three-dimensional in their political and personal struggles as she fleshes out historical figures from George Washington and Benjamin Franklin to the exiled Jacobites who want Prince Charles (Bonnie Prince Charlie of the Stuart dynasty) to assume a throne in America. The Wallace family?Jacobite Andrew; his son Simon; Simon's wife, Arabella; and Arabella's brother, Justin Carmichael?provide viewpoints for most of the important action. Sometimes detail threatens the story (descriptions of costume or Freemason ritual, or exposition of the Revolutionary War's battles), but the blend is usually seamless and well proportioned. Readers are also left with some provocative questions about our national values.
Copyright 1995 Reed Business Information, Inc.--This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

From Booklist
Kurtz turns her exploration of possible occult (especially Masonic) influences in history to the American Revolution. She takes two acknowledged facts--the existence of a large number of Jacobites (supporters of the Stuart claimants to the British throne) among the original American patriots and the equally large number of founding fathers who were Masons--and on them builds an engrossing and elegant tale. It begins with George Washington, unconscious after a fall from his horse, having a compelling dream of being crowned and proceeds through the whole course of the war. Masonic and Jacobite influences are continually brought to bear in favor of American independence, even when in the process they sometimes conflict with one another. Vivid portrayals of Washington and Charles Edward Stuart ("Bonnie Prince Charlie" ) are at the core of the book, which is otherwise well up to Kurtz's historically well-informed standards. Highly recommended. Roland Green--This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:11 AM
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28. Pay no attention to the man with the trowel...
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 10:14 AM by Minstrel Boy
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:18 AM
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34. Now with CAPPS II in the Bahamas under Ben Bell III LOL !
Everything's been outsourced and offshored. And sanitized for your protection.
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