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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:57 PM
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The Dam Breaks! Republicans are using the "lose" word now about Iraq.
I love language! It never fails to reveal what the zeitgeist of the times is.

Bill O'Reilly blames Air America for the U.S. losing the war in Iraq.

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham now utters the "losing" word regarding the war.

And there have been others in the last week.

Folks, the damn has broken. The public has soured.

The war is lost.

Support the troops and bring them home.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:58 PM
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1. Yep! It's the Nixon syndrome
"I am not a crook" = Of course you are a crook
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:58 PM
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2. let's tell george we won the war
so he stops this carnage
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:58 PM
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3. Air America?
But according to O'Reilly they're completely ineffective and about to go under and nobody listens to them anyway and they have about two stations total. :shrug:
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:00 PM
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4. Yeah, how can a nothing have any influence?
He's not laughing at it now.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:03 PM
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5. O'Leilly's the one whose ratings are in the tank.
:rofl:

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:17 PM
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6. Lining Up Behind Rove...
Can't you see...the groundwork has been laid. The failure of the war is all our faults. Yep, we dared to ask questions and demand accountability and responsibility. For this treasonous act, we have "lost the war".

Repugnicans are looking for cover and Rove just gave it to them. Not that they needed the excuse, now it's part of the mantra..."Democrats are traitors" and "lost the war".

This doesn't mean these goons want to bring them home, au contrare, they'll want us to stay longer, just to show us "traitors" a thing or three. Then, have a witchhunt here to determine who was the most "traitorous"...coming to a local Congressional district near you.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:43 PM
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7. Then we, the people, need to hang it on the War President.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:07 PM
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10. I Keep Waiting
...and waiting and waiting and waiting...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:25 PM
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19. I think
that's what they'll eventually do. They'll end up blaming it all on Bush and being decieved so long they get to keep their offices and be re-elected. The public obviously from the polls doesn't like Iraq anymore and they have to worry about still having their job and all that. I think Bush will probably end up blaming Cheney. :shrug: Just a wild guess from his past actions of no responsibility. Hopefully they'll all be dragged off to jail together.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 12:30 AM
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29. They don't want to bring the troops home. Because they'll tell stories.
I'm convinced that the last thing this administration will do is bring 100,000 troops home to tell their stories. This is how little this administration cares about this country...and how much they care for their own personal security.
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baron j Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 05:03 AM
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37. I've been wondering about that. About what sort of sea change
will occur once the bulk of the troops are home. Please, please be a major backlash. It has to be.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 03:54 AM
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35. prepping for bush*s "speech"
he's suppose to read a speech about Iraq on Tuesday night (prime time) at Fort Bragg

notice - it's going to be at FORT BRAGG - backdrop of troops clapping, another captive audience with orders to cheer

now who's going to criticize bush* with troops standing all around him -- whoever does will be accused of not supporting troops...

toss in the flag burning amendment, Rove's statements and you have a WAG THE FLAG moment

meanwhile - insurgency is in it's last throes http://radfringe.tripod.com /
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 10:27 PM
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44. "he's suppose to read ..."
:rofl:
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:48 PM
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47. Better get ready for "stab in the back" legend making, a la
WWI and the Jews and Commies (for Germany)

then

Vietnam and the "Jane Fonda, peace demonstrator, spittin on the troops" types

now

Iraq and the Air America liberals

Actually, the reality (as opposed to the legend) is that a small body of ragtag irregulars (the Iraqi Resistance) fought the U.S. military to a stalemate (hence, a major strategic defeat). Not that this analysis matters to the 40% of Americans still onboard the war train. But the lie of American military supremacy (aka "hyperpower") has been revealed, in all its tawdry majesty.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:45 PM
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8. Don't forget Rush limpballs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"We are losing this war"

If he said it, it's GOT to be true :evilgrin:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:01 PM
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14. Cynatnite: Another example this week of GOP saying "losing the war"
They know.

They are looking to fix blame for what they now know.

Thanks, cynatnite, for still another example.

The dam has broken.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:26 PM
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20. RUSH said it?!
Okay where is Ashton Kutcher??? Is he punking us??
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:10 AM
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31. Sure, yeah, okay, whatever...
In Satire, "Rush" said it.

Check the link....seriously.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:08 AM
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30. Oh, yeah
:evilgrin:

If Rush says it...
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ConfuZed Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:46 PM
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9. They just want to go into iran
The republicans never have a good agenda.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:08 PM
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11. Yeah but they are quickly trying to blame us
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:13 PM
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12. SUPPORT OUR TROOPS - OUTSOURCE THE WAR - TO IRAQIS
Bring our troops home, NOW :bounce:

:hi: David

peace
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:09 PM
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16. What a mess GWB has created for the American people.
Impeach Bush.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:52 PM
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48. Puhleeze! How about "Support our Oops"?
I'm so sick of that "Support our Troops" bullshit. It was always code for "Support the President's policies who puts troops needlessly at risk."
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:32 PM
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13. You are onto something. The language is INDEED very telling.
Another example:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/23/opinion/23brooks.html...

Here's a snippet from RW shill Brooks at NYT:

It's just wrong to seek withdrawal now, when the outcome of the war is unknowable and when the consequences of defeat are so vast.

Some of you will respond that this is easy for me to say, since I'm not over there. All I'd say is that we live in a democracy, where decisions are made by all. Besides, the vast majority of those serving in Iraq, and their families, said they voted to re-elect President Bush. They seem to want to finish the job.

Others will say we shouldn't be there in the first place. You may be right. Time will tell. But right now, this isn't about your personal vindication. It's about victory for the forces of decency and defeating those, like Zarqawi, who would be attacking us in any case.


Months ago you would NEVER have seen a shameless shill like Brooks even breathe the possibility that the whole enterprise might be hopeless folly.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:08 PM
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15. Mayberry Machiavelli: Still another example.
Something is up.

The psychology of language never fails.

They know it's a disaster.

They know it's over.

They are now looking to fix blame.

And here's the real underlying question: How bad must it really be in Iraq for voices like Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Lindsey Graham, Chuck Hagel and even David Brooks to begin talking about "losing the war" and "defeat" in Iraq?

It must be far worse than we even know.

Bush should be impeached.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:19 PM
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17. Could this be a set-up for a terra incident? n/t
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 10:21 PM
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42. David is having a hard time believing he was WRONG
From your link

"Yet I can't believe majorities of Americans really want to pull out and accept defeat. I can't believe they want to abandon to the Zarqawis and the Baathists those 8.5 million Iraqis who held up purple fingers on Election Day. I can't believe they are yet ready to accept a terrorist-run state in the heart of the Middle East, a civil war in Iraq, the crushing of democratic hopes in places like Egypt and Iran, and the ruinous consequences for American power and prestige." :dunce:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:22 PM
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18. Whoopie!!
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 07:23 PM by FreedomAngel82
Is Graham now a traitor too? According to O'Reilly he is. Hey, welcome to the club Graham!
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:26 PM
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21. Gee, Bush failed at something else...what a surprise.
:eyes:

I hope that TRUE Conservatives, fiscal Conservatives, will now start to disavow themselves of this charlatan and his band of cowardly fuckups.

If they continmue to support this numbskullandbones after all of this, I have no sympathy for them.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:30 PM
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22. Let me know when they blame the Jews, and particularly the gay Jews
for America losing the war in Iraq.

These vile creatures will never pin the blame where it rightfully belongs:

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:58 PM
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23. I just saw that the GOP is now accusing Pelosi of demoralizing the troops.
Something's up, IG.

They know what they've done.

They know it's lost.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:41 PM
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26. They know they lost the war, and they fear the consequences to them!
This is why there is such a big push to downplay the DSM documents, and to silence those that dare say words such as GULAG.

Democrats are Christian bashers and terrorism enablers, goes the GOP mantra!

Well Democrats, what will you say about this? Will you continue to play fair to a bunch of gangsters? Will you dare say the one word that needs to be spelled out for all to hear, I-M-P-E-A-C-H-M-E-N-T?

Welcome to our side of the barricades all of you that went along with IWR and PATRIOT Act! The mistakes of the past can only be rectified by resolute opposition to the Bush regime. No more votes to put rightwing ideologues on the federal bench! No more votes to renew PATRIOT or to give birth to son of PATRIOT, the "Victory Act." No more enabling of Bush's warped Christian-Taliban agenda for America.

No more Bush!
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:14 AM
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32. My response
Go "Cheney" yourselves, you fascist bastards...you entered a war not having a CLUE what it entailed, and are doing your damnedest to point the finger at someone else for YOUR mistakes.

Tough luck, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Rove. You're' all a bunch of sociopaths who lucked into inhabiting the highest set of offices in the world.

Ordinarily, I'd say kudos--but you three don't deserve it.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:02 PM
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24. Great post, David. NOMINATED!!
Good to see you. :hi:

And yes, the public has soured. Surely you saw these:

AP Poll: Majority Says War in Iraq a Mistake
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

POLL: 49% Say Bush Responsible for Provoking Iraq War, 44% Say Hussein
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Link: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Provoking%20War.ht...

(WorldNetDaily :) Did Bush mislead nation to war? (94% say "yes"!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:06 PM
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25. Bring our young women and men home. NOW!
Thanks. I know how passionately you feel about this, Eloriel.

I'm sick of distractions now. It's this goddamned war, and it has to end.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 11:13 PM
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27. Yep, the dam is broken
not even rove can fix it,he tried to pass the blame, Kerry slaps him down, Then starts Resolution of inquiry. Friday may be a dump day,but Kerry is going in to this weekend ahead of the bad guys. Lets keep him on top and spread the news over the weekend, so that it carries over till Monday.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 11:16 PM
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28. Amen Brother! That's The Stuff!!!
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 03:32 AM
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33. Oh yes Blame Air America Radio!
For pointing out the truth constantly about the fascists, just blame the radio. Yes one radio station causing the whole war to be a shamble, not the fascist secretary of defense donald rumsfailed. Not the administration of Paul Wolfowitz. :crazy: :crazy: :puke:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 03:46 AM
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34. ye are onto somethnig
thanks for making my night... night owl here, reporting for duty

;-)
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:42 PM
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46. Chuck Hagel: The U.S. is "losing the Iraqi War" --- Newsweek
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 01:42 PM by David Zephyr
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baron j Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 05:02 AM
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36. Shouldn't the repugs and their glassy eyed, worshiping throngs
be celebrating now? The got (stole) what they wanted. Why isn't it all happy happy joy joy with them? Hrrrmmmm...I wonder...
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 05:04 AM
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38. I am suprised that they did not invoke Clinton. n/t
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 07:10 AM
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39. Of course, we Liberals caused the war to be lost.
It was we "Liberals" who;
-made up the reasons to attack Iraq:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

-decided to attack almost alone instead of waiting sixty days while the weapons inspectors did their verifications:

-decided to deride the French, Germans, Russians, and others who advised us wait for verification. Then we "Liberals" further pissed off the world to insure they had little interest in helping us:

-decided not to send enough troops to do the job properly:

-decided, in our rush to go to war, to send the troops without proper equipment:

-and, of course, we "Liberals" have done nothing but lie to the American people, and the world, through our massive spin machines.

My main question is, when did we "Liberals" start out lying?
Was it before or after the attacks on the World Trade Center?
Did we have the contacts with the Saudis and the Bin Ladin family to get the attacks to happen so we "Liberals" could carry on with the killing we were so anxious to get to?
Why did we "Liberals" make the choice to load the administration with a bunch of chickenhawks who wanted war "to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world"?
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 09:45 AM
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40. Be careful
This thread could be spun as celebrating the loss of a war (and the death of troops). Don't give them things they can so easily spin. Let them, not us, use words like "lose".
It's not lost, it's simply time to let the Iraqis decide their own future.
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 01:00 PM
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45. I think it is clear that Liberals condemn this war ...
and the people who started it for the reasons they started it.
They are going to spin their silly little heads, whatever is said. They are desperate to spin everything because they know they are supporting lies and stupidity.
Americans need to understand why we are not going to rule the world. The people in the other countries have the power to stop us. Sure, we can be stupid enough to try to be conquerors, but time will show the truth.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 10:51 AM
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41. i'm shure they ment to say "loose"
:rofl:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 10:24 PM
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43. "Bill O'Reilly blames Air America ..."
No brain zone...
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