Is Rove calling Democrats "Traitors"?

[wurzel]

This is from a Rove speech reported in the NYT today. "Has there ever been a more revealing moment this year?" Mr. Rove asked. "Let me just put this in fairly simple terms: Al Jazeera now broadcasts the words of Senator Durbin to the Mideast, certainly putting our troops in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals." The MOTIVES of the Liberals? What MOTIVES does he have in mind? He should be forced to answer.

[cthrumatrix]

1. Bush's error killed over 10000.... which is more harmful..?????

[wurzel]

2. This guy is not questioning actions. He is questioning motive.

He is saying the Dems are deliberatly helping the terrorists.

[DistressedAmerican]

3. I Have A Red Hot Poker With Karl's Ass's Name On It!

Let's see how he feels about torture after that!

[wurzel]

5. He should be forced to apologise!

[DistressedAmerican]

17. EXTRACT A Fucking Apology! That's The Ticket!

Only way we will ever get one!

Bend over KKKarl! I have a present for you!

[rwork]

4. I am sure

the insurgents heard Cheney's comments that, "They are in the final death throes".Or bush* saying "Bring it on." Jay Garner said "We need to carry a bloody stick all the way thru the mideast."

[ET Awful]

6. Hey KKKarl, Randi proved yesterday that you are LYING. Al Jazeera NEVER

broadcast his statement, sorry.

Also, how come you aren't asking for an apology from Ann Coulter who spoke of invading their countries, killing their leaders and converting them all to Christianity?

[GreenPartyVoter]

20. Because he's too busy making sure we invade other countries,

remove their leaders, and convert them all to Xianity.

[WearyOne]

7. nazi scumbag.

[A Simple Game]

8. It's a good thing Al Jazeera didn't broadcast

*'s "bring it on" statement. We could be contending with guns and IED's instead of flowers and candy.

[spanone]

9. What are bush * motives: Torture?, Invasion of sovereign nations?

I'm sure that Gitmo is spreading love and joy aroung the Muslim world. Hey Rove, shut the fuck up.

[Telly Savalas]

10. Allow me to raise the level of the dialogue that Rove started.

Mr. Rove, here's a gift for you:



I think you know where you can stick them.

[G_j]

11. really Karl?

well at least they don't have evidence of war crimes hanging over their heads. If true justice ever prevails, you folks will be behind bars. So spout your nonsense and enjoy your holiday while you can.
Remember the Nazi hunters?

[earthside]

12. Another Brilliant Rove Manuever

Gripe and complain all you want about what Rove is doing (I agree with the sentiment) -- but it is another bit of brilliant political manuevering.

See what the Durbin apology got us --- worse than nothing. For apologizing for the truth, Rove and the Bushites now have confirmation that Democrats DO compare our troops to the Nazis and Communists.

And Rove is going to propagandize what Durbin has done -- to do everything except explicitly call Democrats traitors.

But you all knew that, didn't you. Rove will be Rove.

You should really be angry at Dick Durbin and the inside-the-beltway, establishment Democrats (Dean excepted, IMO) who keep falling all over themselves to show Americans that they won't stand up and even defend themselves! So how could they ever expect that Democrats would defend the nation?!

We're all really screwed.

[meti57b]

16. exactly! We need an effective reply to these rove attacks.

Proving to the RW that we cave under pressure gets us what?

[insane_cratic_gal]

23. Send in the Dean

to counter Rove!

As I said it's the only reason Rove is out there attacking Dems is because his chimps ratings are so low. They are getting desperate!

[leesa]

13. Over, and over and over again. Why do you ask?

[marions ghost]

14. codespeak to his zombie minions....

"attack liberals now"

[ComerPerro]

15. Amazing how all this fighting for the past few years

has gone on because liberals don't support this illegal and unjust war.

And here, I thought it was because Bush started a war and invaded a country.

[kiki]

18. Karl, Karl, Karl...

I've said it before and I'll say it again; it must be hard being the most physically repulsive creature on the planet. A "man" who, when Marabou storks and angler fish see him walk past, they say "well, at least I don't look like that guy".

But can't you just deal instead of taking it out on the entire human race? I mean, I'm no oil painting myself, but I don't see the need to be a dick about it.

[Jack Rabbit]

19. Of Rove and reason

That liberals and progressives are traitors is exactly what he is implying.

It's bad enough that he implies that Al Jazeera is a terrorist network. They only became the enemy because they broadcast news with an Arab slant and not a neoconservative slant they would prefer, as if a station urging their viewers to get down on their knees before transnational corporations would go over big in Cairo and Baghdad. To imply that a foreign news outlet would actually report this as news makes Durbin a traitor is simply absurd.

Rove is a very good propagandist. His message was aimed at an American audience. It isn't even aimed at all Americans, only those wavering and thinking independently. The message is loaded with archetypes in order to create an alternate universe shared by those at whom the message is aimed at primal level. First, there is the archetype of the shadow, a personification of what we fear. On this Rove not only terrorists but all Arabs and Muslims. Only by implying that all Arabs are terrorists can be paint Al Jazeera in a dark light. Then he tells us that for Al Jazeera to report what Durbin said means that the shadow approves of Durbin's message. Durbin is supposed to be one of us but has become one of them. He is a traitor.

Meanwhile, other propagandists are making noise. They are out there telling us that torture saves American lives. That's not true, but truth is not the main forte of people like Bill O'Reilly. The purpose of this is to create a logical message based on a false premise.

The Rove logic, augmented by FoxNews and right wing pundits, runs something like this:

Torturing terror suspects saves American lives; Americans in Guantanamo torture terror suspects; therefore, Americans in Guantanamo save American lives. Besides, it isn't torture. What the Nazis did is torture. Americans don't torture. Americans practice aggressive interrogation techniques approved by the President, the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General, not torture. Americans waterboard suspects and set dogs on them; therefore, waterboarding and setting dogs on suspects are aggressive interrogation techniques, not torture. And besides, America is a democracy and is spreading democracy to the dark corners of the earth. Torture is abhorrent to democracies; therefore, torture is abhorrent to America. The Nazi Germany was not a democracy and the Nazis were torturers; America is a democracy and therefore can't practice torture. Americans can't be like Nazis at all. America is a democracy and is spreading democracy to the Islamic world; therefore, when Americans do it, it isn't torture and American are nothing at all like Nazis.

And you can rely on this because Bill O'Reilly says it on FoxNews and FoxNews is fair and balanced.

So there you have it. Arabs and Muslims are the personification of all that is evil, so it's okay to torture them; and besides, if we do it, it is democracy and not torture. To say otherwise is to give aid and comfort to all that is evil and all that is evil is the enemy therefore it is to give aid and comfort to the enemy and that is the constitutional definition of treason.

Got it?

[cynatnite]

21. democratic party is now officially a doormat n/t

[insane_cratic_gal]

22. With Dean doing so well

they must feel intimidated to pull Rove out of the donut bakery and sick him on "dems".

The poll numbers are slipping after all, so Rove will attack those he feels are responsible to try and bring the country back in line.

It's the last throes of the republican insurgency!!