Ok South bashers, where is the apology...

[SouthernDem2004]

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20050621/D8AS9T9O0.html?PG=home&SEC=news

The murdering Klan member was convicted.

We had such great threads as: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1566110

Do we get one, "Well, guess I was wrong."
I seriously doubt it. I am sure the South bashers will find something negative to say.

and some people wonder why Democrats do so poorly in the South....

<My rant for the week>

[rfranklin]

1. The Democrats have done poorly in the South since...

all the racist Dixiecrats became Republicans.

[SouthernDem2004]

2. They were always Republicans.

Dixiecrats by definition vote Republican. Atleast that was my understanding.

[msongs]

115. I think history is very clear regarding white racists, dems and repubs

the dixiecrat rebellion began when the national dems began doing nice things for black people, but as a party it could not get critical mass going. so the dixicrats stayed dems officialy but were against civil rights policies.when LBJ was president, nixon and wallace were the guiding lights to getting the mass defection of rascist white dems to bail and join the repub party en masse, thus turing the south republican.

there is a famous quote from LBJ regarding civil rights bills and the south going republican but I cannot find it at the moment.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/liberaltshirts.htm

[sasquatch]

7. I'm with him

[Clark2008]

130. Really?

How come it is then, that the Dixiecrats turned in the 60s and I grew up under two Democratic senators and had my state vote for both Carter the first time and Clinton both times.

I keep hearing this shit, but it's simply NOT TRUE. The South has only recently become a bastion of Republicanism.

[MazeRat7]

3. And I rejoiced at the verdict... even if it was decades late.

Unfortunately, southern politics as a whole is lost on many... and the others, well they just talk out of their ass pretending to know which side is up. *KWIM ?

MZr7

[annabanana]

4. t'wasn't ME SouthernDem...

I think that liberals and Democrats in the South have to be twice as tough and have twice as much intestinal fortitude because they have to deal with twice the resistance to a "reality based" existence, day after day.

The racism of the South is more centralized and institutionalized. The racism of the North is more diffuse.

I do believe that the changes in the South over the last 40 years are much more impressive than changes in attitudes here in the North.

[demnan]

5. Racism was never confined to the South

Anyone who hides under that illusion isn't facing the facts staring in their face from their own families.

This has been a racist nation. The South had to deal with that reputation. Perhaps the South has benefited from throwing off that stigma. Enlighted people like Bill Clinton and John Edwards emerged from that culture.

There are many communities in the North that are extremely racist. Let's not forget that.

[CTLawGuy]

93. but

how many northern governors stood in the school doorway to prevent integration?

how many northern states did Segregationist presidential candidate Strom Thurmond win in 1948?

how many northern states tried to leave the US partially because they wanted to keep their slaves?

[BluGrl]

129. Because in the north...

They didn't need to do anything to prevent integration. As my northern raised parents have explained, "We didn't have any black people living around us or attending our schools."

It started long before the Civil War and it was called "Exclusion". Basically, a practice of laws, fines, penalties or simply refusing to enforce equality laws on the books designed to discourage black people from settling among white people all across the northern states.

You don't hear much about it, though. People prefer to focus their outrage on those in the South. It's just easier that way.

[Yupster]

132. Integration in Boston

was no picnic.

They may not have stood in front of the doors, but they sure stood in front of the buses.

[ovidsen]

117. How true

Racism in the South was institutionalized (segregation), while racism in the north was de facto, but very, very real.

In 1966, Martin Luther King, Jr. led a march through Cicero, Illinois, then as now a virtually all white town adjacent to Chicago's overwhelmingly black West Side. He and his supporters were greeted with taunts, slurs rocks bottles and etc. He remarked later that "Chicago could teach the south how to hate".

Dr. King could have also said that about other northern cities, Boston and Detroit in particular. I think that was true then, and sadly it's still true today.

[Catherine Vincent]

6. It shouldn't have taken so damn long!

No apology is needed. The south still sucks.

[rebel holler]

27. The south sucks?

Isn't that bigotry, plain and simple?
Not to mention sanctimonious. (Imagine that, a Southerner using a big word.)

[tx_dem41]

33. If you haven't noticed, freepers don't have a monopoly on bigotry...

and sanctimony. Its the most disappointing lesson I've learned since I started posting here.

[rebel holler]

36. Amen.

[jackstraw45]

44. Sanctimony...pot calling the kettle black.

I would be ASHAMED of my state if I lived in Mississippi just as I'm ASHAMED of the way our country is conducting it's affairs in Iraq.

And saying that, in ANY way I choose, is about as American as it gets.

Life isn't ALWAYS about the next election cycle.

[tx_dem41]

56. But....

....there are those that do feel a collective shame and DO something about it. And, then, there are those that feel shame and just attack everyone, innocent as well as guilty. The latter show their character, or lack of it.

That, jack, is the point.

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

85. rebel holler, calling someone an asshole is a no-no

it's against the rules.

[DistressedAmerican]

90. There Are Rules. You May Want To Refer To Them!

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[HeeBGBz]

109. You reside in what state?

Just curious.

[Adelante]

45. Oh, me, too

Especially sanctimony. But also authoritarianism.

[raysr]

118. The south sucks

always has, always will. Should be anexed from the US.

[QC]

119. Why's your profile disabled, friend?

Seems like the bashers are always very careful to keep anyone from knowing where they live. Tell us where you're from and let's discuss its shortcomings.

[BikeWriter]

120. That's your opinion. My opinion is you should not alienate yourself...

from those of us who love the South!

[RagingInMiami]

8. Most southern bashers have never set foot in the south

[Tomee450]

26. I'm from the south

and still have relative living there. There is racism throughout this country but IMO, it's worse in the south. Many white southerners have not changed their attitudes towards blacks at all and would not object to Jim Crow being reinstated. One gets a clear indication of the deep racism when southern whites call C-=Span when the guest is an African American. In some of the smaller towns it's as if the Civil Rights era never occurred. Today, in Philadelphia, Mississippi, the brother of the black victim said there is still need for change, that blacks are still the last hired, first fired. On the stand during the trial, the former mayor of Philadelphia, Mississippi said the Klan was not a bad organization. He is not the only person in the south who feels that way. There are African Americans who are afraid to ride the back roads of the deep south. The south is still a very, very racist place.

[bamademo]

30. I have to disagree

I lived in South Jersey for almost 2 years. I've never seen such explicit racism and I grew up in pre-civil rights Alabama.

[devilgrrl]

70. I'm with you there!

I lived north of Philadelphia, I met some of the biggest racists in my life while living there. And Washington D.C.???? Don't get me started.

[Yupster]

134. I grew up in New York City

and played high school basketball.

We had a couple hours after school, and asked a friend to come to my house until practice.

He would not walk through the white neighborhood. It shocked me, but he was really scared to death, and this was a big 17 year old A-A basketball player.

Yell about the south, but the worst racism I ever saw was in New York City where you were afraid to cross from one ethnic neighborhood to another.

[Tomee450]

72. I've heard about the racism that

exists in New Jersey, Michigan, Wisconsin and other northern states. However, African American sometimes have to fear for their lives when encountering ordinary citizens in some of the southern states. It was ordinary citizens, not law enforcement that dragged James Byrd behind that truck. It was a soldier from Ft. Bragg that killed a black couple just out on a date in one of the Carolinas. It was in Maryland that ordinary citizens chased a group of elderly women in their car and shot and killed one of them. It was an ordinary citizen that doused a black man in Florida with gasoline and set him afire. In many places in the south government officials sometimes excuse violent behavior perpetrated against black people. In recent years, several blacks have been found hanging but the authorities said all were cases of suicide. Most blacks find that highly doubtful. In some of those cases the black man was dating a white girl. I believe the south is still a very racist place.

[tx_dem41]

79. Whew...its a good thing to know that blacks don't have to fear...

for their lives from racists in such enlightened northern states such as Oregon:

http://www.splcenter.org/legal/docket/files.jsp?cdrID=11&sortID=2

Or, fear that government officials will be complicit in the death of blacks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Bailo_Diallo

[devilgrrl]

81. Or enlightened metropolitan areas such as NYC and Boston...

think about it.

[Tomee450]

99. Oh please

Where have most of the lynchings occurred in this country? It's the south. I have relatives living in four southern states and they tell me how it is there. As I said earlier, some blacks are afraid to travel the back roads in certain parts of the south. Mississippi used to be so bad that black people from the north were afraid to wear nice clothing when returning to their small town for fear of offending the local whites. I will never deny that racism exists in the north but the south has some of the most virulent racists in this country. My relatives who live in Texas tell me that east Texas is known for its virulent racism.

[tx_dem41]

111. My family is from Mississippi and I have lived in Texas for 24 years...

I wanted to point out that your lovely black/white worldview was wrong based on at least some anectodal evidence. I wasn't denying that racism exists in the South. I was pointing out that it exists in virulent forms everywhere.

And, I think if you talk to African-Americans, they don't check their alertness at the door when they cross the Mason-Dixon line.

[name not needed]

91. Let me guess, somewhere around Vineland?

[Bake]

31. And Mississippi is not the only place the Klan exists.

Remember Skokie, Illinois? How about Indiana?

I live here in the south, in Jackson, Mississippi. I'm proud of my adopted state today. There are assholes everywhere, not just in the South. And there are people in the South who have worked hard to see justice done.

Bake

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[SouthernDem2004]

12. Best I can do...

I am not much of a whiner or complainer.

Plus, I do not like long posts. After reading about one paragraph of a post my eyes start to haze over and I start to drool. Some people are just long winded.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. I live in Arkansas

and when I went to my local Democratic County Committee, I was told they didn't intend to support Kerry for President because he was "a Yankee" (this was before the nomination was closed; they also said they wouldn't support Dean for the same reason; the only candidate they were mildly interested in was Clark, who is from this state). This committee did NOTHING to help ANY Democrat (except themselves) get elected in 2004. Their attitude was defeatist, uninformed (they thought Kerry was "anit-gun", and weren't interested in any information to the contrary), and, frankly, were interested only in trying to win their local races.

So the "anti-Southern" bias that exists in some Northerners also appears to be mirrored by an "anti-Yankee" bias on the part of some Southerners.

(BTW, my husband is a native Texan; I'm from Illinois-we've lived here for 12 years).

[pie]

20. very enlightening

[Pepperbelly]

71. Where in the state do you live?

In my area, there was much support for Kerry.

[BikeWriter]

135. The only way to change that is through education.

[YusefHawkins]

11. 3 square meals a day and free medical care is punishment for an ol'geezer?

The guy is 80 years old with one foot in a grave. He lived his life and now he gets 3 square meals a day and free medical care. His punishment is shared by many his age who live the remainder of life being cared for in an old folks home, rarely visited by family. At this point it would have been a worse punishment to let him continue living on his dime instead of the tax payer's. The 3 young men where cut down possibly before their prime. So this is justice?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

14. I'd like to think

that, when this fellow dies, he faces his Day of Judgement, there will be three figures waiting for him......

May God have mercy upon me that I never do anything so horrendous that I have to face what he will face.....

[MrSlayer]

13. Well it only took 40 years, way to go.

Here's your prize.

[MarianJack]

15. How About This, SouthernDem2004?

This verdict shows that justice delayed is not always justice denied.

The south is populated by a vast majority of good and decent people who have bought the cheney/bush line because the rethuglicans were the only people talking to them.

I don't recall ever doing any signifecant bashing of the PEOPLE of the south, but if I have, I apologise!

A BIG howdy to you from Augusta, Maine!

Peace!

[Snotcicles]

50. The Democratic party didn't find me, I found it.

I found that the Democratic party was most in line with my views.
There was no commercial, no particular speech, no single issue that made me Democrat. It is how I view the world and my place it that made me align with Democrats. When I hear "thats why Dems don't do well in the South" I say thats a load. What the hell does geography have to do with it? It's character, upbringing, some of our great Liberal thinkers were southerners. If your easily bribed into a political philosophy your just playing. This ain't a club you join. If you don't believe in heat stay away from the foundry, cuz you'll only get in someones way.

[iconoclastic cat]

16. "South bashing" has always been around at DU.

Lately, it seems to be a bit less virulent, but I might just be becoming numb to it.

[enki23]

17. ...of manslaughter

elsewhere it would have been murder one.

[Bake]

29. Not with a 40-year old case.

Murder One is tough to prove when there aren't too many witnesses still around, in a county where the Klan is still strong. I'll take the manslaughter conviction gladly. The prosecutors were smart to get the jury instruction for the lesser included offense.

Three counts of manslaughter will most likely mean that Killen dies in prison, even if the sentences are concurrent.

And yes, I'll exhale when I see the sentence. And when I don't see Haley Barbour pardon Killen.

BAke

[jackstraw45]

18. Congratulations Mississippi! Justice in under 15,000 days!

Way to go!

:eyes:

Agree, no apologies needed. I'm not running for office and my last name isn't Durbin.

[tx_dem41]

19. Thank goodness, you aren't running for office....

...since you display no desire or ability to lead a political movement.

[jackstraw45]

24. Nice personal attack....

Since you're making it personal for some reason, you must be so proud of how things are in Texas. If you're "leading" a "political movement" down here, it's definitely not going in the right direction.

But yes, *I* must have the problem. Sorry Mississippi, if we get on all fours and beg for mercy, will you forgive me and give us 41% of your votes in 2008?

[tx_dem41]

28. And, thus, you prove my point.

Thanks, for confirming.

[jackstraw45]

32. Truth hurts, doesn't it?

Perhaps if you stop drinking whatever kool-aid you're on and realize that this is a MESSAGE BOARD and that you're NOT sitting at a UN Security Council meeting, maybe you'll start getting over yourself.

[tx_dem41]

35. I hope it doesn't hurt you too bad. n/t

[jackstraw45]

38. Truth about what? I stand by my post. WTF are you in my face for?

Am I not entitled to have my opinion? There are 20 other posts in this thread like mine...you have to get in my face and get personal?

Please get a life.

[tx_dem41]

52. When you personally attack not ONE, but millions of Democrats...

....I get riled up.

[Bake]

55. Thanks, tx-dem! I'm with you! n/t

Bake

[rebel holler]

61. Me too

and my wife and cousin (NOT the same person.)

[QC]

86. Good on you!

The self-righteous bigotry around here got old a long time ago.

[BikeWriter]

126. Another Texan right here with you. South bashing...

accomplishes nothing but tearing down our unity.

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[Bake]

21. I'm proud of my adopted state today

Mississippi took a huge, symbolic step to atone for its shameful past. A lot of us were proud today. We know we've still got a long way to go -- as does the REST OF AMERICA -- but we also know we've come a long way from the 60s. It was a long time coming, but a lot of Mississippians DO care about seeing justice done. I'm proud of the courage of the prosecutors who refused to let this case die, who insisted on doing the RIGHT THING no matter what.

Now if we could just get rid of Lott and Cochran ... and Haley Barbour ...

Bake

[bamademo]

39. Please, Can We Just Stop This?

We are Democrats here. The Repugs don't attack each other as viciously as we do on DU. Let's work at educating people that make under 20K.

[DistressedAmerican]

22. 40 Years And They Can't Even Get A Murder Conviction!

Hell, they dropped it to man slaughter.

What about that record makes you so proud of the south?

[Bake]

23. Because Killen will die in prison

Hell, California can't even convict a serial child molester or a high-profile ex-wife slasher.

Mississippi convicted Byron De La Beckwith for the murder of civil rights activist Medgar Evers, and now Edgar Ray Killen for the deaths of three civil rights activists. Give credit where it's due. We've come a long way. We know we have a long way to go.

"Rednecks" aren't just in the South. Visit Indiana sometime.

Bake

[DistressedAmerican]

40. 2 Convictions In 40 Years Is Nothing To Gloat About.

I agree that it shows progress. But acting like the world suddenly owes the south an apology is just silly. I guess it would have been OK for Manson to still be on the streets as long as we got him before he died?

Just because there are "rednecks" in other parts of the country in no way excuses those in the south.

Give California 40 years and they may well get MJ and OJ. As I recall this guy had a federal trial once as well.

Nice that you are making some progress. But, do not act like criticism of the South's racist history (and present) are somehow no longer valid because a couple of convictions have FIANLLY been secured. Or worse that people should retract those criticisms made before y'all saw the light and started punishing these old men that lived their lives as free men while the families of those they killed had to suffer without justice!

That is nothing to be proud of.

That is my point. A demand for an apology based on two convictions in 40 years is just plain rediculous.

[Bake]

53. It's "ridiculous."

But what do I know, I'm just an ignorant Southerner.

This was not only the conviction on a single incident; it was a SYMBOLIC victory that speaks volumes. I'm also waiting to see if the prosecutors go after the two shooters in this case.

Bobby DeLaughter, the prosecutor in the Beckwith case, is now a Circuit Judge in Hinds County, Mississippi. We've come a long way here in Mississippi. Why can't you be happy for that? Instead, you have to piss on the parade and stick with your stereotypes. What state do YOU live in? I'm sure we can find less than honorable episodes from your history as well -- crimes that have gone unpunished. At least we're trying. Show me what YOUR state does.

I'm proud to be a Mississippian today. Your smug superiority defames every good and decent person in Mississippi who has longed to see justice done.

Bake

[DistressedAmerican]

57. "defames every good and decent person in Mississippi ". No 40 Years

without justice did that.

Apparently there were not that many of you if it took 40 years. That's some grass roots upwhelling of racial justice you got there!

I acknowledged the progress that has occurred. I just think acting like people who were/are pissed about southern racism OWE YOU AN APOLOGY because of a little progress is jumping the gun considerably.

Progress may I add that many parts of the country did not need to make.

Good work on this one, and I hope it is the beginning of more.
But, don't come demanding an apology from the world for the way you are viewed. Sorry for you but it took the south a long time to earn that rep. It will be a while before the south is thopught of as the racial equality capital of the nation.

A little advice, get off of the persecution kick. You seem to take this all rather personally. I never implied you were just an ignornat southerner or anything of the sort. You'd see that if you can get over being so angry about the south having a rep for racism. It seems to be skewing your read of other people's posts.

Bye Bye.

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[DistressedAmerican]

62. Do You Know Something About The Great History Of Southern

Racial equality that I missed in all my years? Got some links for me? A book title I should read?

What am I supposedly missing? Enlighten me!

[tx_dem41]

68. What your missing is the ACTUAL experience of being from a,,,,...

Southern family and working against the system. Only then, should one dare to act sanctimoniously. But, you know what? If you had that experience, I'm sure you would be wise and not act that way.

You might think you can learn that from a book, but you can't.

[Bake]

66. I didn't demand an apology. Read the thread.

But I do get goddamn sick and tired of the stereotypical South-bashing that goes on here. How about some California-bashing? How about some Hoosier-bashing? How about some Skokie, Illinois-bashing?

The South's history of racism is horrible. We probably had farther to come than anywhere else. But we've come a long way. If you read my previous posts, you'd see that I acknowledged that we've still got a long way to go. You did acknowledge the progress that has been made, and for that I thank you. But I suspect that you have very little idea HOW MUCH progress we've made. I grew up in west TN and returned to the Deep South after living many years near Cincinnati (not exactly a bastion of civil-rights progress itself! Don't DARE run afoul of the Cinci Cops!), and I was AMAZED at the difference here in Jackson, Mississippi.

Admit it -- how many of you were betting Killen would get off completely??? I stand by my original assertion. I'm proud of Mississippi today. For those who cry that "justice delayed is justice denied," (a statement I generally agree with, in the proper context) would you rather we had just acquitted the bastard?

Is justice a long damn time coming? Hell yes. Would I have preferred a murder one conviction? Hell yes. But I'm celebrating the fact that Killen will never breathe free again, for however many days he has left on this earth. And his conviction sends a message to his cronies still out there, and yes we know there are plenty, that we don't tolerate that shit here. Not anymore.

Bake

Bake

[Kathy in Cambridge]

92. 'Persecution' being the operative word

[DistressedAmerican]

105. I Understand That It Must Be Frustrating Being A Liberal Surrounded By

red as red gets southerners and getting lumped with them as racists. It would be like me always getting taken for a repug.

But, ignoring the racism and acting like pointing it out is "degrading" them personally smells of agenda.

They should be attacking the folks that have given southerners that rep. Like christians that feel picked on here should talk to the extreme right that have been giving them a bad name.

Poor us!

From now on out when the issue comes up I will note how much I dislike southerners except all of the good liberal ones that are working to make things better. The rest can suck it though!

[Kathy in Cambridge]

113. Many of the same people who have Southern Persecution Complex

freely bash and stereotype Yankees, NY, New England, etc. People are people no matter what region they come from. There are assholes everywhere.

[DistressedAmerican]

116. You Can Say That Again!

[QC]

125. Don't worry--she will. n/t

[DemBones DemBones]

137. Excuse me, do you remember the Fifties and Sixties?

I do, so your statement

"Progress may I add that many parts of the country did not need to make."

actually made me LAUGH out loud.


Northerners in Boston, New York, and many other cities had to be FORCED to integrate their schools and there were many instances of violence instigated against blacks, mostly children, by supposedly tolerant whites in the North. Many of these incidents occurred years after integration of Southern schools was accomplished, when the courts finally addressed Northern de facto segregation.

[quaoar]

98. Killen was tried in 1967 on federal charges

of violating the civil rights of those he killed.

The jury, made up of local folks, split 11-1 in favor of conviction. The one holdout said she just couldn't vote to convict a preacher.

Even though the jury was hung, that jury speaks highly of Mississippi. Voting to convict in 1967 took a lot more guts than doing so today.

When it comes right down to it, people do not want murderers walking around amongst them. White or black.

[Tomee450]

104. Not true.

In the south, white killers were always exonerated by all white juries then went on to live in the community. The killers of Emmit Till did not spend a day in jail;they were acquitted by all white juries. This was quite common.

As for the jurors in the first Killen trial, yes it did take courage for the whites to vote to convict but that was extremely rare. I'm glad that there has been some change in Mississippi, but it has a very long way to go. All one needs to do is travel the delta to see what Mississippi thinks of poor blacks.

[Kraklen]

25. They only gave him manslaughter.

No justice. No peace.

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[Kraklen]

41. LOL. And that's supposed to be in argument in defense?

Forty one years and still no murder conviction.

"anti-southern bigots?"

Knee jerk reaction indeed.

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[Bake]

37. The end result is the same: Killen dies in prison.

Some of you whiners are never going to be happy. I'm sure there are no racists in your respective states, huh.

Bake

[Kraklen]

43. Hey, if the end result is the same...

why not just charge him with grand theft auto? He'll be dead in a couple of years anyway.

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[Kraklen]

54. Maybe I am smoking crack.

But at least I'm not happy with manslaughter for a Klan member who killed three civil rights workers.

[DistressedAmerican]

49. The End Result Is Not The Same. The Man Should Have Been Locked Up!

Instead he lived out his life as a free man. Howcan you possibly think it is all the same in the end? Maybe that kind of attitude is why these folks were not prosecuted before now.

As I asked earlier, would it all be the same if Manson had never been convicted as long as we got to him before he died?

Justice delayed is justice denied. Period.

[fishnfla]

47. nobody is ever wrong on the internet

nobody ever changes their mind about anything.

Its kinda like the way Mississippi used to be, only more entrenched and widespread

[orpupilofnature57]

51. More a statement about, antebellum, and resentment against progress,

And how many of those resentful bastards , voted Shrub? I apologize to Liberal Southerners for ever thinking them less Americans, or pooling them in with redneck fanatics hell bent on pay back for the Civil war.

[Inland]

58. Three cheers for jury, prosecutors.

I'm not going to hang other people's errors or crimes on them.

[rebel holler]

59. I'm taking my banjo

and going home. So there.

[bpilgrim]

63. FLAME-BAIT

:eyes:

peace

[tx_dem41]

74. Yes....you made that point 1.5 hours ago in post #9.

It was deleted. Don't you remember?

[bpilgrim]

78. had to make it again

thanks for noticing :hi:

peace

[rebel holler]

64. Remember Neil Young and Lynyrd Skynyrd

hashing out this same argument?
"Southern man better keep your head, don't forget what the Good Book said."--Neil
"I hope Neil Young will remember, Southern man don't need him around anyhow."--Lynyrd

[Zomby Woof]

69. Ronnie and Neil loved each other

Ronnie said Neil Young was a genius and wore a Neil Young shirt - check the cover of "Street Survivors".

Neil loved Ronnie... I have a tshirt of him wearing a Skynyrd shirt.

Myths abound, but they were mutual admirers.

[rebel holler]

73. Yes, you're right.

That was my point. They disagreed without being judgmental or sanctimonious.

[UdoKier]

65. He was convicted of manslaughter, not murder.

That was the LEAST they could do.

[bpilgrim]

67. the TOWN OFFICIALS & the POLICE got off scott free

the mayor at the time was on NPR today trashing the trial :crazy:

peace

[rebel holler]

75. The mayor at the time

not the mayor today.
All those capitol letters seem to be going to your HEAD.

[bpilgrim]

76. thats what i said

welcome to DU :hi:

peace

[DistressedAmerican]

84. Flamebait! No Wait, I'm With You On This!

:evilgrin:

[Fight_n_back]

77. I'll apologize when...

there are no more confederate flags flying over courthouses, when the southern states apologize formally for slavery and when there is a monument in Richmond Virginia to Abraham Lincoln.

Its only been thirty years since aprtheid was abolished in the South and you want an aopolgy because a guy on an oxygen tank was convicted of murder? I guess we should be happy he wasn't charged with "boy" slaughter instead of manslaughter.

Shit, you can't even get your Senators to apologize for lynching. Dick Durbin apologized for using the wrong words but Trent Lott won't apologize for fucking lynching.

[livinginphotographs]

103. Just one thing to point out.

There is a monument to Abraham Lincoln in Richmond.

Of course, there was a shitload of controversy before it was finally unveiled from the KKKonfederates.

Hmmm. Maybe I just proved your point. ;)

[Fight_n_back]

108. I did not know that

then I will have to start demanding a monumnet to General Sherman in Savannah.

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[radio4progressives]

83. you gotta be kidding, right?

It wasn't Mississippians or Southerners that pushed forward with this trial. Manslaughter hardly describes the act that was committed for which justice was never served, until 40 long years later.

You actually think that today's verdict exonerates Mississippi (or the South for that matter) of this egregious stain on our collective psyche and history inhumanity to man, based on a verdict of manslaughter four decades later, and through the long struggle in seeking justice from the efforts of those OUTSIDE of Mississippi and the South?

As a born and raised Southerner (in exile for 35 years) I can personally speak to the deeply ingrained hatefilled bigotry and racism, bible thumping hypocrisy and self glorifying ignorance which is unique to the South, but unfortunately is no longer isolated there, for it has had some sort of twisted and sickening appeal to certain populations outside of the South now.

It's going to take some more very hard work and struggle before the South can honestly claim to be a "new South", I think.

Mississippi, Georgia and Alabama would make excellent beginning points to heal the scars and create a true culture of enlightenment for future generations. I hope i can see the effects of that work in my lifetime.

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[Terran]

87. I just alerted the mods on this thread

This is the stupidest piece of flame bait I've ever seen. You people are tearing each other apart over something that will take many decades, possibly centuries, to change, if indeed it ever will. Talk about divisive, this is the worst thread I've seen since the primaries. Thanks a whole lot to the OP for stirring up a lot of 100% Grade A bullshit.

[QC]

95. It's not the OP who stirred up the shit.

It was the self-righteous horses's asses in the other threads--many of whom have also shown up in this one--who are to blame for that.

This might come as a terrible shock to you, but years of being lumped in with bigots has gotten really old for a lot of us.

[quaoar]

100. Amen

[Terran]

106. It comes as no surprise

and I sympathize; bigotry against Southerners is as stupid as any other kind of bigotry. But there was no point whatsoever to be made in the OP's post. It was a flame offered to the anti-Southern moths.

[tx_dem41]

121. I think periodically, we need threads like this....

it helps identify the character (and lack of character) of many DUers.

I would hate to see a thread like this everday, but every once in awhile.....its helpful.

[HeeBGBz]

138. It is an eye-opener

Sad to say.

[rebel holler]

97. Southerners

never back down from a fight.
Though we have lost on occasion...

[SouthernDem2004]

128. Guess you are not a fan of free speech. /nt

[rebel holler]

88. The South will rise again...

Oh, look, we already did. Strongest economy, fastest population growth, most influence in national elections, and the best damn singers on the planet.
Ya'll can kiss my barbecue-flavored ass!

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[CTLawGuy]

89. they'll get my apology

when i get their apology for putting George Bush in office.

[im10ashus]

107. I guess I am taking the bait.

But I have not seen any South bashers on DU. I admit I haven't been here but for less than a year, but I still haven't seen any such nonsense. My partner is from Georgia, educated, bright, articulate, replete with darling Southern dialect, here in the heart of Manhattan. I don't see it here either. You must be mistaking us for FR.

[tx_dem41]

123. Nope...no mistake made...

Bigotry, patronization, and sanctimony can all be found in our own little neighborhood here, sadly. How could you have missed the several "Fuck the South" threads post-election?

[rebel holler]

110. Remember the migration of African Americans to the north?

The fact that it has reversed says it all. Look it up--US Census figures show blacks moving down here in droves, with a big fat WELCOME sign to greet them.

[livinginphotographs]

114. A welcome sign?

You've got to be kidding me....

[really annoyed]

124. Rebel Is Right

From prb.org...

"Like whites, blacks were attracted by the South's booming economy, low density living, and warmer climate. Other pull factors included historic roots in the region, the existence of a growing middle-class black population, and an improved racial climate. Segregation studies show a decline in black-nonblack neighborhood segregation (using the index of dissimilarity) over the last 20 years for Atlanta (-13 points), Orlando (-24 points), Jacksonville (-15 points), Norfolk (-13 points), and Houston (-16 points)."

Not to mention that Mississippi has the highest African-American population of the South.

Apparently, these African-Americans do not have a problem with the South. So, why do we?

PS - My family moved from Tennessee to Michigan. There are 22 hate groups in Michigan, 31 in Tennessee. But these hate groups in Michigan happen to be black separatist groups.

Mississippi has 26 hate groups.

I got all that info from the tolerance.org site.

[livinginphotographs]

127. But from my experience in the South

(I've lived in Louisiana, Kentucky, and Virginia) there may be both black people and white people, but both of the groups remain relatively segregated. Maybe I'm wrong, based on those studies, I'm just speaking from my own experience.

And when the Sons of the Confederate Veterans march outside of your house on Martin Luther King day, it really tries your patience with Confederate apologists.

[BluGrl]

133. I agree

My experience living in the South but having relatives from up North is that the racism in the south is more open and people are honest about what they feel

Up north, my relatives can't seem to wait till I get there to tell me all their racist jokes and nudge me in the elbow winking about what life must be like living among all THOSE people. All the while pretending to be so enlightened.

Apparently, they must think being a southerner means I'm racist and will appreciate their comments. They are racist...they just hide it.

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[lateo]

131. I'll apologize in 40 years.

:)

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139. Locking. This thread has outlived its usefulness

Possibly with its first post.

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