anyyone watching Dave Obey Dem on Hourse Floor c-span whow!!!

[rodeodance]

[rodeodance]

1. a Repub insulted his amendment and he demanded the 'words be

taken down"

[rodeodance]

3. the words taken down will be transcribed and read back-so we will hear

them again--I believe

[jfxgillis]

7. What did the Repub say?

In summary?

[The2ndWheel]

12. Democrats

are at war with Christianity.

[ewagner]

2. Not near a TV

what's he up to?

[Oreo]

4. What's he saying?

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS
Link to CSPAN

Text on screen showing If Ruled out of order member cannot speak for the rest of the day. What happened?

[rodeodance]

8. they will be read shortly--if the Repug is ruled out of order he is not al

lowed to speak for the rest of the day.

[blm]

5. Obey is one of my alltime favorites in congress.

He's WAY tough, but gets little publicity for it.

[dogday]

6. Do they have to sit in the corner too?

[rodeodance]

10. Obey is having an argument about the religious training going on in CO

at the acedemay. the Dems had been promised that they could put up an amendment --but now it seems (if i followed right)--the Repugs did not allow the amendment and some Repug blasted Obey-for wanting the amendment.

[lonestarnot]

18. And wear the dunce cap?

:dunce:

[ewagner]

9. btw:

here's a pic of the boxing gloves we gave Dave on his 30th anniversary....looks like he's going to need them again.

[rodeodance]

13. grand--thanks. I used to live in N. WI--so I know him well.

[fedupinBushcountry]

11. Striking words

of aRepub from Indiana. The words are that Democrats are starting a war on Christians. These Repubs will not stop the disingenuous rhetoric.

[rodeodance]

16. yes--the Repug said something about the Dems starting a war on chirist-

ianity.

[CottonBear]

17. That is an outrageous statement!

Democrats are opposed to theocracy but we are in no way wanting to sart a war with any religion or sect.
:grr:

[rodeodance]

19. I believe the chair will only strike the words IF he rules they are inapp-

riote. If so--that is disciplinling the Repug for saying them.

[CottonBear]

14. What is the topic? What state is Dave from? Info please. n/t

[rodeodance]

20. He is long time Dem. from N. WI--very outspoken against the Administra

[Oreo]

15. Explanation on screen

Words Taken Down
If ruled out of order, the Member can't speak again for the day without permission

The House rule used to discipline a Member for using inappropriate words in debate

[rodeodance]

21. The inital Repug Repres. opposing the amendent was the "chicken menu

Rep. from California--sorry i do not recall his name. Then this INDiana Repug asksed to speak--then the naughty words were spoken.

[karlrschneider]

28. I seem to recall the chicken menu guy was Duncan Hunter...

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

33. Yes--Hunter thank you--he is the one who basically started this rucus-

Obey wanted the amendment and Hunter said it was not necessary--after the Repugs had said amendments could be offered.

[dogday]

22. How long does it take for the Chairman to review that statement?

sure is quiet....

[rodeodance]

23. seems to take forever doesn't it!!!!

[rodeodance]

25. One of the things Obey had spoke about was the ousted chaplin who

spoke up about the prophetlitizing going on at the air force acedemy in Colorado.

[Moochy]

38. Profit from Proselytizing Propheteerists

Proselytizing ;-) Though im sure they are invoking the holy prophets!! :evilgrin:

[Skidmore]

32. They have to locate Rove first.

[rodeodance]

34. I would not be surprized if they did try to communicate with him.

[helderheid]

24. I have Tivo

He said "Like a moth to a flame, Democrats can't help themselves when it comes to denegrating and demonizing Christians."

[grumpy old fart]

26. Think that's enough to get him put in the corner for the day?

[rodeodance]

27. thanks much--what a crapola thing to say!

[rodeodance]

31. the debate had to do with phophetlatizing in the military--the case in CO.

Basically the repugs said it was not going on and Obey said yes it was!!!!!

[fooj]

29. These people need to be called out on those comments.

I am so sick of this...

peace.

[jfxgillis]

35. Thanks

Exact words are important.

For example, strange as it may seem, it is against the rules of the House to attribute base motives to a person on the other side of an issue.

[rodeodance]

45. that was a mouthful-wonder if he was prepared to say this statement?

[helderheid]

55. he was reading it

It was prepared!

[grumpy old fart]

30. What's the criteria, if any?

[rodeodance]

36. Hostettler of Indiana is the one who made the comment!!

[toey]

43. i hate my state, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr n/t

btw...what does n/t stand for?

[redqueen]

46. n/t = no text

Means there is no text following the subject line.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[toey]

78. thanks a mil!

I just love this site and i'm sooooooo fired up

[rodeodance]

37. I do not have a clue.

[rodeodance]

39. "unparlimentary" language--chair is still reviewing the language.

[rodeodance]

41. one of the criteria was saying something bad about the character of

another congressperson, and profanity. but he said others that i did missed.

[jfxgillis]

49. Methinks this one:

* * * <<NOTE: Sec. 363. Motives of Members not to be arraigned.>> The
consequences of a measure may be reprobated in strong terms; but to
arraign the motives of those who propose to advocate it is a
personality, and against order. Qui digreditur a materia ad personam,
Mr. Speaker ought to suppress. Ord. Com., 1604, Apr. 19.


The arraignment of the motives of Members is not permitted (V, 5147-
51; Dec. 13, 1973, p. 41270), and the Speakers have intervened to
prevent it, in the earlier practice preventing even mildest imputations
(V, 5161, 5162). However, remarks in debate may address political, but
not personal, motivations for legislative positions (Jan. 24, 1995, p.
2214; Mar. 8, 1995, pp. 7307, 7308; Nov. 17, 1995, p. 33832; June 13,
1996, p. 14043) or for committee membership (July 10, 1995, pp. 18257-
59). Accusing another Member of hypocrisy has been held not in order
(July 24, 1979, p. 20380; Mar. 29, 1995, p. 9675), and characterizing
the motivation of a Member in offering an amendment as deceptive and
hypocritical was ruled out of order (June 12, 1979, p. 11461). A
statement in debate that an amendment could only be demagogic or racist
because only demagoguery or racism impelled such an amendment was ruled
out of order as impugning the motives of the Member offering the
amendment (Dec. 3, 1973, pp. 41270, 41271). However, debate
characterizing a pending measure as a ``patently petty political
terrorist tactic'' was held in order as directed at the pending measure
rather than the motive or the character of its proponent (Nov. 9, 1995,
p. 31413). While in debate the assertion of one Member may be declared
untrue by another, yet in so doing an intentional misrepresentation must
not be implied (V, 5157-5160), and if stated or implied is censurable
(II, 1305) and presents a question of privilege (III, 2717; VI, 607). A
Member in debate having declared the words of another ``a base lie,''
censure was inflicted by the House on the offender (II, 1249).

[dogday]

40. Is the Chair Republican?

IF so, he is thinking how this is going to affect him and the party. He is taking a long freaking time....

[rodeodance]

42. YUP--they are always the chairs as they are in controll.

[dogday]

44. CSPAN Is making it look Like Obey did not like that the Republican

said something about Religion in the Military. That is not what he said.... That is very misleading.... He did not like it that the Repub said that we were trying to destroy Christianity....

[rodeodance]

48. yes--it IS a prepared speech!!!! The IND. rep.--listen up

[grumpy old fart]

47. Can't Repug just apologize and move on?

:sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

50. there--you heard it!!

[seemslikeadream]

53. Yes I did!

Thanks Obey

[grumpy old fart]

54. Yep, the "war on Christianity" and then the Dem's "denigrating and ....

demonizing christians"....pretty good Rovian talkin' points there.....

[OctOct1]

59. Oh My, Obey just repeated it

How Nasty

[Blue Diadem]

51. Sorry I duped a post on this Rodeo, I didn't know that was what

your post was about.

I just heard the entire repeat..these repugs will stop at nothing to spread their hatred.

[rodeodance]

62. it is easlily done on this kind of board. no problem.

[OctOct1]

52. Oh Man

I just tuned in and they shut it down.
How was that repug out of order?????

[rodeodance]

58. Rep H asked to withdraw the last sentence he spoke. Like moths to

a flame--Dems can't help themselves demonizing and denigrating Christians"

[rodeodance]

60. so--does mean that Rep. H. will not be disciplined since he withdraws?

[liveoaktx]

61. Hope he doesn't accept that guy being able to withdraw the sentence

[rodeodance]

65. Obey said "FINE--it is constructive that he withdraw the sentence!! well

Obey let him off the hook!!

[jfxgillis]

67. He pretty much has to

But he can get a few good digs in meanwhile!!

[rodeodance]

82. yes, I agree--and yes--Obey did get a few good digs in!!

[jfxgillis]

92. All in all, highly amusing

Glad you alerted us!

Thanks!

[dogday]

56. What is the Problem? The Gentleman was obviously out of

line by Maliciously slamming the Democrats. That is an untrue statement and proproganda....

[jfxgillis]

57. Here's the easiest access to the section:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_house_rules_manual&docid=hrulest-22

[rodeodance]

66. thanks I will check it out later.

[seemslikeadream]

63. GIVE IT TO HIM OBEY!!!!!!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

64. Obey is doing a 'gentlemenly' take down of the Repug--te he.

[dogday]

68. Make the most of it, make a big deal out it, they would

[rodeodance]

71. Histettler and Repugs are digging into the word 'phophetlatizing;--like

gulag--and Nazis--they focus on the words and NOT the issue.

[Fridays Child]

81. Hisspittler is gay. He should come out.

Well, okay. He sets off my gaydar.

[grumpy old fart]

69. And yet, Hostettler goes goosestepping on.....

[dogday]

70. They should of shut his big mouth up!

[Bluebear]

72. "the gentleman from Wisconsin states this as GOSPEL" . . .

Wow this one is REALLY holier than thou!

[rodeodance]

73. sorry--but Host looks and sounds like a Terry Reed type!!

[dogday]

74. Make your statement of Faith, just keep it out of my government!

[Bluebear]

75. "Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour!"

I expect Jan Crouch to come out at any moment here.

[dogday]

79. And the lady with the Pink Hair

What is her name, her and her Country Western Singer Hubby?

[rodeodance]

76. Turner--another holier than thou type is talking now (Repug).

[Tamyrlin79]

77. the only christians we are at war with...

are those who want a theocracy (ie, don't accept separation of church and state) and want to impose their views and beliefs on the lives of all Americans. They have shown themselves to be a threat to the liberties of all Americans, and profane the deaths of our ancestors who died to preserve those liberties. And, we will die again to preserve those liberties against domestic christian extremists. If they mean war by that, then let them eat war.

As for all the other christians who actually understand and uphold American values, worship away.

[liveoaktx]

80. Does anyone know what the 2 amendments are?

[rodeodance]

83. Repugs have turned the issue around--they are claiming that the

amendment will PREVENT cadets from practicing their faith. Geech!!

[rodeodance]

84. Barney Franks saying the chaplin was transfered--punitive-she spoke

out about the phophetlatizing at the Air Force.

[rodeodance]

86. god--another Rupug going on about freedom of Relgion--they do not

get it--as what happened at the Air Force was that religion was pushed on the cadets.

[Bluebear]

85. Tonight's news: "Christianity under ATTACK in the armed forces"

[dogday]

87. Christianity is not under attack, Christianity is attacking....

Let's see them talk about how they were saving people under duress....

[rodeodance]

90. guess the recorded vote will come later.

[rodeodance]

88. nominated--lets keep track of this Obey asked for a recorded vote--good

for him.

[rodeodance]

89. drats--i forgot-i can not nominate my own.

[rodeodance]

91. now Palosi wants an amend. re; critiera for success in Irag (in 30 days)-i

n unclassifies form. WHOW