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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:19 PM
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"Bush never actually SAID Saddam did 9-11"
Yeah? But he managed to link the two often enough and in such a way that that's what people THOUGHT he was saying.

So that makes him not simply a liar... but a skilled liar.

Great. Next RW-talking point defending Bush? :puke:
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:20 PM
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1. Tell me about it...
I've been "fighting" with fellow Catholics about this for weeks now.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:22 PM
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2. He just got done saying we invaded Iraq because of 9/11 (again).....
so is there someone else in Iraq calling the shots that we don't know
about?

Nevermind. No one believes him anymore, except those who would
believe him if he said he was the second comming of Christ.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:23 PM
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3. Not Dubya, but
ROVE. The man pulling the puppet's strings. Bush is a skilled liar? I don't think so. Listen to him when he doesn't have a script.
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radar Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:23 PM
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4. And any ol' country will do...
According to some people.

President Bush In His Radio Address Today: “We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country...
Bush Still Propagating Iraq/9-11 Myth
http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=1119
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:23 PM
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5. That's as lame as
"Yeah, but I had my fingers crossed behind my back!"
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:24 PM
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6. I believe he did
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 05:24 PM by warrior1
In a letter to congress on the day he started bombing Iraq.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html

Presidential Letter
Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate

March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:48 PM
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12. Bingo.
That's the proof that nails Bush to the wall. And it compounds the lie of saying he never associated the two.


Pants now officially ablaze.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:26 PM
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7. He "tricked" the people into making that connection, though,...
,...now didn't he and his criminal neoCON cabal. Moreover, they did it in an intentionally calculative and manipulative way,...didn't they.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:26 PM
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8. are these bush supporters the same group that blasted clinton
for his careful language. and for what the definition of "is" is.

this bastard w makes clinton look like a schoolkid with the depth and deceptiveness of the lies he tells. but although he isnt smart enough to come up with them, he is smart enough to just parrot out the disease they tell him to and ....

'stay on message'

damn them all to hell.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:46 PM
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20. Exactly.
When their intention is to deceive, mislead and plant false impressions... um, that'd be called "lying," wouldn't it?

Bush lied. That's a fact.
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The Crazy Canadian Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:27 PM
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9. The corporate media was in on it too.
I recall watching news stories on the TV where they would show Saddam shooting off a rifle then they would go to images of the WTC on fire, then they would show Saddam watching over a military parade then back to the WTC again. The media played a major role in linking Saddam to the 911 attacks.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:32 PM
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10. he linked them in common logic many, many times
we were attacked, therefore we attacked Iraq.

In that statement, while he doesn't actually say anything about Saddam, the context of the statement is irrefutable. He is saying that (supposedly) we're attacking the country that attacked us.

That would be Saddam by proxy.



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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:44 PM
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11. Cheney did link 9/11 to Saddam
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 05:44 PM by wookie294
In 2001, Dick Cheney said it was “confirmed that (Mohammed Atta) did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the (Sept. 11) attack."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp20011209.html

Then, in 2004, Cheney was forced to say: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134636,00.html
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:52 PM
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13. The Corp Media is complicit with the illegal Invasion of Iraq.
"The media played a major role in linking Saddam to the 911 attacks."

The Corp. Media also played a major role in duping the Amerikan people into supporting the illegal Invasion of Iraq. Will charges ever be filed against them?
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:54 PM
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14. We need to break up the media oligopoly
Media is owned by too few corporations. We need to break it up! The Iraq war fiasco is proof Congress should pass a law forcing the big media moguls like Murdoch, Time-Warner, Viacom and the others to sell off ownership in hundreds of media properties.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:00 PM
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15. You don't have to go any further than www.whitehouse.gov
"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/iraq/20030501-15.html

This is what he said on the flight deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln, bravely patrolling the coast off the terrorist-infected waters of San Diego.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:10 PM
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18. But these are slippery little eels. They'll argue that...
... Bush was "just saying" Saddam was capable of terrorism, had terrorized his own people in the past, that 9-11 meant it was time to address ALL terrorism no matter what the connection, et cetera et cetera et cetera.

You and I know exactly what the implication of Bush's statement on the carrier was. You and I know exactly what the listener was expected to take away from that statement.

But the Bush aplogists will tap-dance like mad. As I said, however, all their tap-dancing only proves that Bush is no ordinary liar. He's very GOOD at lying.

How's that for a moral value, huh?

:puke:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:03 PM
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16. Just like how Reagan couldn't remember lots of things yet not
get impeached for being INCOMPETENT. Where were the Dems? And I don't mean the "Reagan Democrats"?
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:07 PM
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17. He made inferences
Talking about Saddam's "ties" to Al Qaeda. Here's a flash: the US has "ties" to Al Qaeda too. "Ties" could mean just about anything.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:14 PM
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19. They have linked 9-11 and Saddam many times....
Show them this old article from 09/10/2002.


President George W Bush has swung American popular opinion firmly behind him by linking the threat from Iraq to September 11.

George W Bush: said Saddam was preparing to attack the US
In a speech in Cincinnati on Monday night, Mr Bush said Saddam Hussein was linked with Osama bin Laden. "We know that Iraq and the al-Qa'eda terrorist network share a common enemy: the United States of America," he said.

"We know that Iraq and al-Qa'eda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al-Qa'eda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al-Qa'eda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks.

"We have learned that Iraq has trained al-Qa'eda members in bomb making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September 11, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America."


http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2...
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