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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:31 AM
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The Big Lie meets the Big Truth
It seems that no matter what Bush does these days, his approval numbers continue to plummet. The latest two or three attempts at righting the listing ship that is the Bush administration have fallen woefully short, and his speech to the U.N today is likely to do the same. The reason is simple: truth. His Iraq policies have been based on deception and lies. Events and time have revealed how obviously the foundations of those policies have flown in the face of truth. His recent attempts at appearing honest and straightforward have only accentuated how dishonest he has been previously.

When he tried to clarify that his administration did not, in fact, have evidence that Hussein was linked to 9-11, it merely put to lie his own ubiquitous insinuations to the contrary. Despite the inexplicably large portion of the populace believing that Hussein was behind 9-11 (much ballyhooed at 69% in a Washington Post poll in early September), the fact that this number plummeted after Bush’s “admission” (Newsweek-47%, Gallup-43%) indicates the double-edged sword Bush has put himself upon. On the one hand, the steep drop in this percentage indicates that people actually listen to him. On the other hand, when they hear him say this, it opens up all kinds of questions as to the validity of the war and his own trustworthiness.

People for months have held on to the belief that Hussein was somehow behind 9-11, despite the lack of any reliable evidence for such a connection. But one look at nearly any speech or statement on Iraq made by the president or any member of his administration in the months before and after the war reveals that they consistently mentioned Hussein, 9-11, and Al Qaeda in the same breath. This goes right up to, and even includes, Bush’s statement that Hussein and 9-11 were not connected! The fact is that Bush administration officials were nearly the ONLY ones who were fostering the belief all along. Many others in the media and elsewhere were saying that there was no evidence, but polls showed that people were listening to Bush. The recent waning in this belief following Bush’s statement only further demonstrates that he was responsible for the belief in the first place. People have been putting their faith in his word on this subject.

The desired effect, no doubt, was for people to say “There, see, he never said they were connected!” and to shield him from responsibility for the faulty perception. The result, however, was for people to say “Wait a minute. Before, you did everything you could to link Hussein and 9-11, and we believed you. That’s why we backed you in Iraq!” His recent statements have only revealed to the people that their faith in him was misplaced.

Likewise, the populace long held onto the belief that Iraq was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction. In the period before and immediately after the war began, the Bush administration was the primary source for this information (although, again, many in the press and the international community were saying otherwise). As the truth began to emerge that Iraq did not, in fact, have massive stockpiles of WMDs that could threaten us, confidence in Bush began to waver. As the truth began to counter the Bush line, the obvious conclusion was that the Bush line was not the truth.

More to the point, the American people were scared into believing that Iraq and its alleged WMDs were an imminent threat to the United States. Despite the administration’s recent attempts at claiming that they did not ever actually say Iraq was an imminent threat, their every word implied it. Remember the specter of a mushroom cloud? Indeed, if the threat was not imminent, then why was the necessity for war so immediate? Although the administration would have liked the populace to come out of this episode saying “Well, they’re right, they didn’t actually say ‘imminent threat’”, what they came out of it saying was “Well if you didn’t think they were an imminent threat, then why did you imply it in nearly every statement on the subject? If they were not an imminent threat, then why the rush to war?”

Despite all attempts at appearing steadfast and resolute, Bush’s recent pleas for more money from the taxpayers, more money and troops from other countries, and more co-operation from the U.N., can only be seen for what they are: an admission that he was horribly wrong and miscalculated in the extreme. Rather than gaining support for his faltering foreign policy, the effect of Bush’s desperate attempts at reshaping the public debate on Iraq has been that of waking a sleeping populace to how disastrous that policy has been.

Now we start to get a glimmer of how costly this war is going to be (in lives and dollars). Now we start to finally realize, en masse, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, Al Qaeda, or weapons of mass destruction… and we begin to ask: “Then why are we there?” Now we start to realize that maybe the anti-war protestors were right on this one.

The truth has a way of catching up to you. Especially when you are so bold, steadfast, and arrogant as to tell the Big Lie and to stick by it. In this case, the Big Lie (or lies) was that Iraq was behind the terrorist attacks on 9-11, and Iraq was threatening us with weapons of mass destruction. But when you put your faith in the Big Lie, the truths that come out to counter it are likely to be just as big. Unfortunately for Bush, the Big Lie has met the Big Truth.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:35 AM
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1. Nice analysis, brotherjohn
What amazes me is that he stuck to the same lie and the same obfuscation in the UN speech. Doesn't he know he's going to get hammered on it again?
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:35 AM
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2. Lies
He did lie to America

In a letter dated 18March 2003 to the Speaker of the House Congress
he states that he is using force against Iraq
because he determines that they planned and aided the terrorist
attacks that occurred on Sept 11th 2001
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:39 AM
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3. Wow! Do you have a link to that letter?
nt
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:33 PM
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10. I found a link to it in another post.
Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=389930

From the White House web page, no less!

This letter was dated March 18th, 2003, as the U.S. was about to invade Iraq. It stated that "further diplomatic and other peaceful means" would not resolve the Iraq situation, and justified, TO CONGRESS, the use of force as "continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."

Whoever runs against Bush should show him, in September 2003, saying Iraq and 9-11 were not linked. Then they should show his numerous prior statements linking them, and then show this document.


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:42 AM
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4. Good one!
:)
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:53 AM
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5. I send comments generally several times day to our locally
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 12:06 PM by ignatius
Repug owned rag. I get printed occassionally but lately much more often.

Today "Is the blood of our children worth one drop of Iraqi oil?" was one I had sent yesterday. Ironically and sadly another Hoosier soldier(27 yrs old with 2 children and a pregnant wife)was killed and that was on the front page.

Just a few months ago there is no way in hell my comment would have been printed.

He is toast.
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democraticgator Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:58 AM
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6. "The Big Lie meets the Big Truth"
WOW!! Amazing letter, very articulate and well thought out. You should be sending that to every editorial page in the country. I would love a link to that (just the letter, because people dont seem to trust info from forums) so i can put it up in my away message on AIM.

BTW........ The thing that kills me the most about this most recent outright lie by the administration is not their audacity to put something like this out there, but the sheer apathy by national media. It would be so easy to prove this lie simply by playing him a statement from the SOTU speech. How something like this does not spark outrage from the entire country is beyond me.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:13 PM
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8. "How something like this does not spark outrage..."
I don't think it necessarily sparks outrage, but it definitely registers. That's why his poll numbers are in such a precipitous decline.

Among progressives and democrats, it may spark outrage. But we're already familiar with the Bush ways. We have more background which counters what Bush says.

Among the general populace, however, most people are less informed and/or pre-disposed to believe what Bush says simply because he is their leader (especially at times of "war"). His own words, however, are sinking him with that crowd, too, although it is not so much outrage as disappointment. It is hard to admit you've been had, especially when the quagmire of Iraq is the result.

You can cut and paste my post wherever you wish. It's not a letter I got from anywhere, but my own writing. But if you do so, please keep it anonymous. I live in a real right wing enclave, and if my name gets out as some liberal "columnist", I have legitimate fears for the safety of my family. What a great nation Bush's America is, huh?
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:59 PM
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12. Hi democraticgator!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:04 PM
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7. Plummet - No, Steadily Decline - Yeppers
Wonder what will happen in 6 months when they come back and ask for another 87 billion dollars? Or when we lose another million jobs ?
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:26 PM
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9. Bzzzzzztttttt!!!!!!!!
"The desired effect, no doubt, was for people to say 'There, see, he never said they were connected!'"

Except that he did say it. He put it in writing, signed it and sent it to congress:

Presidential Letter
Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate


March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: ( Dear Mr. President: )

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:34 PM
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11. Thanks. I just found that and posted it above (someone else mentioned it)
nt
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