Dean: Fox News Is Republican Propaganda Outlet

[LynneSin]

http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2005-06-13/#tv5

Dean: Fox News Is Republican Propaganda Outlet


Responding to comments by Vice President Dick Cheney on a Fox News telecast Sunday morning, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean told a Chicago audience Sunday afternoon, "My view is Fox News is a propaganda outlet for the Republican Party and I don't comment on Fox News." Dean's comments came at the Rainbow-PUSH coalition conference after he was strongly criticized earlier in the week by Democratic strategist David Axelrod, who said that the party was unlikely to lure Republican voters "if the chairman of the Democratic Party is out there gratuitously characterizing all Republicans in a truly nasty way."



Personally, this is the same crap we democrats have been taking from the republicans since Bush stole the White House on Dec 12th, 2000. Republicans have been typecasting us democrats for years and now we're doing it back (smarter & better) and they just whine whine whine. Personally I think all Democrats should just avoid doing Fox News all together. They're an obviously biased news organization that will take the words of the democrats and distort those words into sick lies. Fox News ratings are already dropping down the toilet so if all Democrats just refuse to be on Fox, then the ratings should get even worse

[liberal N proud]

1. Call them out Howard

Call them all out

[Richardo]

2. Let FOX prove they're NOT.

I say keep them explaining themselves.

Never explain, never apologize. It's the one this the Dems could learn from Reagan. God knows the Republicans have.

[bemildred]

3. Dean for President.

There, I said it.
:applause::applause::applause::applause:

And kill your TV.

[AFSCME girl]

6. I'll second that, bemildred!

on both suggestions!!

:bounce: :woohoo:

AFSCME girl

[bin.dare]

17. killing me softly with his words ...

I heard he sang a good song, I heard he had a style.
And so I came to see him to listen for a while.
And there he was this young boy, a stranger to my eyes.

Strumming my pain with his fingers,
Singing my life with his words,
Killing me softly with his song,
Killing me softly with his song,
Telling my whole life with his words,
Killing me softly with his song ...

[zann725]

82. Nice analogy.

My thoughts exactly!

[merwin]

4. I love dean

[BlueEyedSon]

5. Oh no, first he LIED about the Repubs being white & xtian, now this!!!!

:evilgrin:

[denverbill]

7. WHAT!?!? ANOTHER HOWARD DEAN OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT!

He's killing Democrats with this outrageous, crazy stuff. Why can't he be more like Zell Miller, Ed Koch, and Joe Lieberman and say do nothing but praise Republicans and criticize Democrats. If he keeps this up, Democrats are going to not do nearly as well in 2006 as they did in 2004. </sarcasm>

[0rganism]

8. Dick & Karl sure would be upset if we started playing by their rules

"Democratic strategist David Axelrod" can suck my axelrod. "Gratuitously characterizing" Democrats "in a truly nasty way" is the LIFEBLOOD of the new republicanism. They sowed the wind, now they can reap the whirlwind.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

36. heeheheh suck my axelrod

youre bad. i like.

[bvar22]

9. Go Doctor!!!

This part continues to outrage me!

"...unlikely to lure Republican voters"

Fuck the Republicans. We don't need to lure them, especially by giving up LABOR and Working Class Issues.
We need to lure Democratic voters who quit going to the polls because the Democratic Party stopped representing them!!!!

ENERGIZE the DEMOCRATIC BASE...the WORKING AMERICAN!!!
Give the Working American someething to vote for and he will go to the polls!!!

Fuck a strategy of "luring republicans!!!"

[LoZoccolo]

21. These people effected by labor and working class issues...

...are the Reagan Democrats, the Republicans we are seeking to lure. This is one Dean statement I don't have much of a problem with, but we lost these voters way before Clinton and the 1994 elections.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

30. EXACTLY

Those shitheads will never vote with us. we need to go after the millions of disaffected Americans who do not vote because no one speaks for them. Boldly telling the truth is not a bad way to start.

[jazzjunkysue]

10. Testify, Howard! Testify! Don't back down. They can't scare us. Impeach!

:smoke:

[Triana]

11. Let's REVERSE Axelrod's logic and see if it still applies:

..."Republican strategist David Axelrod, who said that the party was unlikely to lure Democratic voters "if the chairman of the Republican Party is out there gratuitously characterizing all Democrats in a truly nasty way."

You know what? Republicans do that every day to Democrats (characterize them in a truely nasty way). Is that somehow different? Why?

WHY is stating the TRUTH about FOX "News" characterizing Republicans in a nasty way? If the statement is TRUE, (and it is), and it's a NASTY truth, is that DEAN'S fault?

Nope. Not the way I see it.

[Shoeempress]

12. But aren't they "Fair and Balanced"?

Go Dr. Dean, I'll have to send a second donation this month, that guy rocks my world.

[Hard_Work]

23. Think you meant

"fairly unbalanced".

[Shoeempress]

25. Actually it was sarcasm,

[BlueStateBlue]

34. Or false and biased

[Democracy White]

13. I loooooove Dean!

He's really calling 'em out.

As for FOX or what I call "Fake" I have been reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them." and there is a part in there about FOX News that gets to me. I quote "FOX news calls themselves 'Fair and Balanced' just to drive liberals crazy":crazy:

Heh it ain't doing a job on me.

But Dean is driving the conservative right and the Repugs crazy and all I gotta say is:

DEAN GIVE 'EM A TASTE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE AND DON'T YOU DARE APOLOGIZE! fo' sho.':woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :applause:

Dee

[ckramer]

14. Dean Go Dean!

Go Dean Go!

[Massachusetts]

15. Go Dean

Its good to have someone that I can support that DOESN'T bend in a stiff breeze.

Give em Hell Howie!
http://www.edrants.com/reluctant/deanpoint1!.jpg

[whistle]

16. Does this point by David Axelrod make sense.....

<snip> "...Democratic strategist David Axelrod, who said that the party was unlikely to lure Republican voters 'if the chairman of the Democratic Party is out there gratuitously characterizing all Republicans in a truly nasty way.'" ?

Look at the number of eligible voting age Americans:

<snip>

Table 2. Reported Voting and Registration, by Race, Hispanic Origin, Sex, and Age, for the United States: November 2004
(In thousands)
(leading dots indicate subparts)
Race, Hispanic origin, sex, and age Total Total population U.S. citizen Not a citizen
Reported registered Not registered Reported voted Did not vote Reported registered Not registered
Number Percent Number Percent Number Percent Number Percent Number Number Number
ALL RACES

BOTH SEXES
.Total 18 years and over 215,694 142,070 65.9 73,624 34.1 125,736 58.3 89,958 41.7 142,070 54,936 18,688
.18 to 24 years 27,808 14,334 51.5 13,474 48.5 11,639 41.9 16,169 58.1 14,334 10,564 2,910
.25 to 44 years 82,133 49,371 60.1 32,763 39.9 42,845 52.2 39,288 47.8 49,371 21,860 10,902
.45 to 64 years 71,014 51,659 72.7 19,355 27.3 47,327 66.6 23,688 33.4 51,659 15,524 3,831
.65 to 74 years 18,363 14,125 76.9 4,239 23.1 13,010 70.8 5,354 29.2 14,125 3,635 604
.75 years and over 16,375 12,581 76.8 3,794 23.2 10,915 66.7 5,459 33.3 12,581 3,352 442
MALE
.Total 18 years and over 103,812 66,406 64.0 37,406 36.0 58,455 56.3 45,357 43.7 66,406 27,741 9,665
.18 to 24 years 13,960 6,731 48.2 7,229 51.8 5,415 38.8 8,545 61.2 6,731 5,642 1,587
.25 to 44 years 40,618 23,403 57.6 17,215 42.4 19,913 49.0 20,705 51.0 23,403 11,435 5,780
.45 to 64 years 34,471 24,676 71.6 9,795 28.4 22,520 65.3 11,951 34.7 24,676 7,922 1,873
.65 to 74 years 8,438 6,534 77.4 1,904 22.6 6,119 72.5 2,319 27.5 6,534 1,635 269
.75 years and over 6,325 5,062 80.0 1,263 20.0 4,489 71.0 1,836 29.0 5,062 1,107 156
FEMALE
.Total 18 years and over 111,882 75,663 67.6 36,219 32.4 67,281 60.1 44,601 39.9 75,663 27,195 9,024
.18 to 24 years 13,848 7,603 54.9 6,245 45.1 6,224 44.9 7,624 55.1 7,603 4,922 1,323
.25 to 44 years 41,515 25,967 62.5 15,548 37.5 22,932 55.2 18,583 44.8 25,967 10,425 5,123
.45 to 64 years 36,544 26,984 73.8 9,560 26.2 24,807 67.9 11,737 32.1 26,984 7,603 1,957
.65 to 74 years 9,926 7,591 76.5 2,335 23.5 6,891 69.4 3,034 30.6 7,591 2,000 335
.75 years and over 10,049 7,519 74.8 2,531 25.2 6,426 63.9 3,623 36.1 7,519 2,245 286
Footnotes:
Note: 'Not registered' includes 'did not register to vote,' 'do not know,' and 'not reported.' 'Did not vote' includes 'did not vote,' 'do not know,' and 'not reported.'

Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Current Population Survey, November 2004.
Internet Release date: May 25, 2005

<more at EXCEL Table>
<link>
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/voting/cps2004.html

Note that while 142,070,000 U.S. citizens are registered, 54,936,000 U.S. citizens are not yet registered. I'll bet that 80% of those unregistered voters would vote democratic. So we need to focus on getting everyone registered, that is our potential for victory! The republicans know this, because they do everything in their power to keep knew voters from registering. Some 80% of 54 million non-registered voters is a hell of a lot of potential.

[FreedomAngel82]

79. We also need

to make sure those registration forums aren't torn up because they say democratic on it. Remember that scandal? :mad: My state has it to where you don't have to put what party you are.

[Burma Jones]

18. Dean: Atmosphere is made up of gasses

The Pope is indeed Catholic
A Bear will, if located there, shit in the woods


These are, of course, rash overstatements for which some Democrats will slobberingly apologize......

[Richard Steele]

24. Yeah, how will we attract BEARS to the party with statements like that?

:7 :7 :7 :7 :7

[LordshipLadyship]

56. We don't need to --

[LynneSin]

72. A Bear will, if located there, shit in the woods

are you sure - did you follow a bear around for the day to see if he/she did indeed shit in the woods

That is the funniest statement I've heard in ages

:rofl:

[kaygore]

19. You gotta love Dean!

Guess there is some life in the Democratic Party afterall!

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. Can't wait till the pukes spin this one

Check out what Kathleen Parker said about Dean in her column today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3848070

[Karenina]

22. And California has earthquakes

and the sky is blue and the republican party is mostly white and Christian and I'm jes' SO TIRED... :boring:

[Orion The Hunter]

28. RE: Faux News

Fairly Unbalanced Reporting is all Fox News is good for...I think this "revelation" abut it can be placed in the "STATING WHAT WE'VE ALL BELIEVED FOR A WHILE" file.

[Generator]

26. I'm in heaven!

I just said these exact words last week on DU and said Dean et all shouldn't even acknowledge FOX news, much as you wouldn't acknoweldge someone wearing a cop's uniform that isn't a cop but someone pretending to be a cop that will do you harm. IE They are not journalists no matter how they are dressed, they are propagandists.

Truth frees. Lies kill.

GO DEAN!

[Gregorian]

27. YEAH! Just keep speaking the truth, Dean. It works.

That's all he's doing. And I thought a minimum wage earner, with nothing to lose, would be the only one who could say the truth without infringing upon their security.
Dean, you go! And don't stop! It's like quenching a long thirst. It's like the night of the living dead, and we finally get to take some shots. Zombies be gone!!!

[FizzFuzz]

76. Zombies Be Gone!! Love it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and:

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
HOWARD!:applause:

Go Howard, Go Howard, Go Howard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:bounce:

(and he's a babe, too. Rowf!)

[newscott]

29. I love this guy!!!!

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MODemocrat]

31. I love Howard Dean

No one can get my enthusiam worked up like Howard (Harry Truman) Dean.
Go ahead and get the truth out there Dean, you're literally killing the right wingers. They never could fight a fair fight. :bounce: :bounce: :thumbsup: :dem:

[lastliberalintexas]

32. One quibble Lynne

This has been going on far longer than just since Bush took office. I'm in my 30s, and liberal has been a "dirty word" for at least the last 25 years.

And it's about time we defended ourselves!

[Toots]

63. Eleanor Roosevelt said

"Long ago, there was a noble word, LIBERAL, which derived from the word FREE . Now a strange thing happened to that word. A man named Hitler made it a term of abuse, a matter of suspicion, because those who were not with him were against him, and liberals had no use for Hitler."

[FreedomAngel82]

80. Gotta love her!

Mrs. Roosevelt is one of my favorite past politicial figures. :loveya:

[leQ]

33. he's getting erotic now dammit..... GO DEAN GO BABY!! (eom)

[Mr_Spock]

35. Me likey Dean

He tells it how it is - get over it you whining Repukes. The Repukes have been viciously attacking Dems for years - it's about time someone with some nuts spoke out...

[truthisfreedom]

37. they'll learn very quickly that messing with Dean is going to leave them

bruised and battered. every time they give him more MSM attention, he'll point out another thug truism.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

38. Doc we need more of this. not less.

Keep up the good work. Call it as you see it, and please ignore these "strategists" who strategize what exactly? - complete fucking failure.

[underthedome]

39. Great, more comments that will distract voters from the real issues

Glad you kids are getting excitied over such comments, majority of voters don't give a shit.

[ibegurpard]

40. Judging from the past few elections

they don't give a shit about the "real issues" either.

[underthedome]

42. No the issues just get lost in Vietnam talk and name calling

...

[TankLV]

53. Boy! - didn't take long for your kind to show up, did it?!?!

[Toots]

65. I am going to assume you are honest and not a freeper

You say people do not care about fiery language and Dean is distracting voters. If they do not care why is it a distraction? If they wish to hear about the issues then Dean is the man to inform them. It sounds as if you have never heard Dean speak. There is never a time when Dean does not address the issues that concern Democrats. One of those very important issues is contesting the GOP and the myths they put out there as truths. If you think ferreting out the truth is not an important issue than I feel sorry for you. By generating a stir he is more likely to gather a few new listeners just to be part of the excitement. America seems hung up on sensationalism and if that's what it takes to get people to pay attention then so be it. At least he tells the truth in a sensational manner. Watch how the GOP responds. They will attack the man instead of what was said. Kind of like your post.

[DebbieCDC]

41. Rock on Doc

You the man!

[donheld]

43. Give'm HELL Howard!

:yourock:

[Debi]

44. This is LBN? Just kidding....Thanks for reminding us GHD!!!

Faux is just the RW's mouthpiece!

[Dervill Crow]

45. Gods, I love Howard Dean!

[lateo]

46. We don't need Republican voters to win.

And David Axelrod should be run out of the Democratic party for saying it.

[confludemocrat]

51. Correct

People who operate on premises like the one this guy Axelrod concocted, who've gotten where we are now should be run out of the party.

[TankLV]

54. What - didn't you hear? Apparently, we need McCaine to HEAD OUR TICKET!

At least that's what some vichy DU'rs were trying to sell last election!

[lateo]

84. Yep.

I remember them all too well.

[KamaAina]

47. He's quoting from this month's issue of DUH! magazine

On the cover: "Men Under 5'6" Tall Having Trouble Breaking Through in the NBA" :-)

[Charles19]

48. If Dean keeps telling the truth like this he is going to find it very

hard to be a politician.

[confludemocrat]

49. Has Fox reported Deans remark? I bet not.

I wish he had simply left out "my view is". Make the rhetoric like the Repub in-your-face way of speaking. But that's no real quibble.

Now what do The Bidens, Obamas and others of that ilk have to say about this statement?

[LordshipLadyship]

50. Who the devil does Dean think he is

telling the truth like that. That doesn't seem fair and balanced to me. :D

[Emillereid]

52. When are these damn so called democratic strategists and other

wimps going to realize that we are not going to get Repuke votes -- but if we re-establish ourselves once again as the People's Party we might just get more votes from the the poor and working class who usually don't even bother to vote. I don't blame them -- the party has not been representing them at all since probably Bobby Kennedy.Think single mother with 3 children -- she might not be as 'fashionable' as the suburban soccer mom, but she is the base we need to represent. If we would only reach out to our natural, historic base -- I've no doubt that we'd win in a landslide -- assuming a fair election that is.

Go DEAN Go -- tell them like it is!!!

[Not_Giving_Up]

55. Give em Hell Howard!!!!

Sure, we all know that Faux News is a right wing mouth piece, but so many people are still walking around thinking that the news is unbiased. Howard is getting the attention of the people, and he's speaking the truth.

[zara]

57. Biden, Obama, Lieberman, etc. Backpedal and Question ...

Dean's comments. Just joking.
Which "Democrat" will Fox trot out to needle Dean?
Well, Juan Williams, Alan Colmes, or maybe the Beltway Boy Kondracke?

[BiggJawn]

58. ONLY Fox News, Howard?

Hell, they're ALL shill-machines for the BFEE...

[nittygritty]

59. Dean's da man!

Love ya Howard.

[geniph]

60. He is embodying Harry Truman these days

"I don't give the Republicans hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." --Harry S. Truman

Take no prisoners, Howard! We've got your back!

[corkhead]

61. a taste of uberfreeperland

I always find amusement reading freeper posts here on DU. Since I am a relative newbie, I thought it was my turn to run into the burning building to grab this nugget.

excuse me while I delouse...



Toned-down Dean finds friendly audience at PUSH (LAUGH ALERT)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 13, 2005 | LYNN SWEET WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF


Posted on 06/13/2005 9:31:43 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

Freeper's selected quotes from Sun Times article

'Fox News is a propaganda outlet for the Republican Party and I don't comment on Fox News.' 'I do not want to hear any more about Ken Mehlman going to African-American churches,' Dean said... Republicans 'ought not to get even 2 percent of the African-American vote in 2008 if we don't have a Voting Rights Act. ... I want the Voting Rights Act reauthorized, and I want the Republicans to lead on it.'...'Mehlman, Dean's counterpart, has been methodically courting African-American voters.'

Freeper response...

Portrait of an insane demagogue. I glad Howie's doing his best to "reach out" to the Red States and their residents who dominate the ratings on FOX and the entire cable media. He's so phony, just like Hillary is; it's very easy to tell he takes Red State(R)s to be a bunch of mind-numbed robots and duped idiots. Good luck reaching out to Red States on the DUmmy, dead networks.

And who is he to decide who blacks have a right to vote for? He probably thinks they are just a bunch of idiots, too.

And there goes Mehlman, who doesn't insult the intelligence of either group. Glad to have him aboard and glad to have Dean as the enemy ship. As we can see, Mehlman is remaining lower-key and is not getting lazy during the DNC implosion. He's spreading ideas, and I hope he'll keep at what he's doing.

19 posted on 06/13/2005 1:21:56 PM PDT by USAfearsnobody
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[Guaranteed]

69. ATTN FREEPERS: The GOP insults the intelligence of ALL of you.

They've got you voting on bait-and-switch tough-guy issues while they steal from you.

Real smart, guys. But don't blame us. They're the ones doing it, and you're letting them.

[Orsino]

62. Dean's got it backwards.

FOX News is how the R's receive their orders--not how they issue their own propaganda.

Big Money is calling the shots, and the GOP dances to its tune.

[Stirk]

64. What does that make the Dems who regularly go on Fox News?

[LynneSin]

73. assholes

Seriously, knowing that Fox is a propaganda machine AND that the viewership of Fox is on a decline since lets face it, only neocon repukes watch Fox - why should Democrats even bother going on Fox news.

After I saw how O'Lies Alot (or was in INShANITY) distorted something that Joe Biden had said on the Sunday talk shows, its obvious that Fox News basically pulls crap out of its ass and calls it news (and yes, I know Biden can be sometimes irritating, but it was actually proven on Media Matters that what Biden said and how Fox represented showed 2 completely different ideas).

Dean needs to tell the democrats to stop going on Fox News. The only democrats who watch Fox News is the few courageous ones who watch to see what kind of lies Fox is spewing each day, the rest are diehard republicans who wouldn't vote democrat if they were paid $10million dollars to do so. This still doesn't solve MSNBC, CNN or the Networks but if those other channels see the boycott by democrats then maybe they'll toe the line and start moving back to the middle (which is all we ask).

Thank you Howard for making my day!

[acmejack]

75. That is a great idea!

If no credible dems would appear on fox, they would have to run with zig-zag zell...

[Radical Activist]

66. I agree with both the Dean and Axelrod quotes here.

Fox News is a better target than labeling millions of Republican voters in an insulting fashion. Axelrod is exactly right about Dean's earlier comments, but finally Dean made an attack on Fox that makes sense.

[dmr]

67. Commenting on Fox is giving them credibility

I agree with Dean, why bother with them.

Fox News has no credibility.

We are only wasting our time and spnning our wheels when responding to Fox and GOP rhetoric. We have learned that when we do respond, we don't get fair air time anyway, so why not wake up and not give them the time of day.

Our time is much better spent working for the good of the nation. If we have to throw out a few comments or concerns about the media or the GOP, so be it.

[Guaranteed]

68. Another article said that the room ERUPTED into applause when he

said that.

[KittyWampus]

71. I Thought I Heard A Roar! :-)

it's nice to see Democrats start confronting the media.

I have wondered what the appropriate tactics are though.

Tough to call them out but not look like whiners.

[mcscajun]

70. Anyone who'll publicly point out that the emperor has no clothes...

...has my full support.

Truthtellers rock!

:)

[SalmonChantedEvening]

74. So he's 3 for 3... No wonder they're pissed at him

The GOP is 82% white Christian, and their leadership has an agenda that can only be described as Evil. And they have a megaphone to broadcast that agenda called Fox News.


Gov. Dean, the price one pays for telling the truth is always a high one. Thank goodness you are willing to pay it, and shame on those in the party hierarchy who are not.

[hnsez]

77. I deleted ALL FOX stations from my cable lineup long ago, Join me!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0506130160jun13,1,6181033.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

Go Dean! Donate to DNC!

[FreedomAngel82]

78. I don't know why

they bother going on these shows. If Alan Colmes was a real democrat he would resign that piece of shit show.

[Disturbed]

83. Progessive Dems should boycott Fox and CNN.

Everytime they go on these GOP Propaganda networks they get sandbagged.

Dean should ramp up his msg. and frame the issues, never explain or back down. Any Dem that doesn't bak him up should quit the Dem Party and go elsewhere. It is way past time the Dem Party start being the Opposition not the appeasers. We are at War with Fascists and Christo-Fascists in Amerika!

[Arkana]

81. Geez, the Dems MUST have done something good

to be blessed with someone like Howard Dean. He's just calmly stood up and kicked an already-reeling Faux News in the balls. Way to go, Dr. Dean!