Outrageous! "Kerry a nut, just like Al Gore!" - CBS New

[dooner]

Republicans must be getting quite nervous... One would expect this type of crap from the Weekly Standard, but why is CBS News publishing it?

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John Kerry: The New Al Gore
www.cbsnews.com /(Weekly Standard) 6/10/05
This column was written by Daniel McKivergan.


"It's not easy for Senator John Kerry these days. Having failed to capture the White House and facing the likely prospect of getting steamrolled by Hillary Clinton for the 2008 Democratic presidential nod, Kerry has been doing all he can to stay on the national radar screen.

<snip>

He then wandered into cuckoo clock territory by bringing up the latest effort of administration critics to prove the president -- and presumably the British prime minister -- lied about Iraq.

Kerry told the audience he was puzzled as to why Americans and the major news media aren't more interested in the "Downing Street Memo," the leaked minutes from a July 23, 2002 cabinet meeting of Prime Minister Blair published in the Sunday Times of London shortly before British voters reelected him last month. A few days before Kerry's town hall comments, Hollywood activist Tim Robbins wondered the same thing on Chris Matthews's MSNBC show. Without the prompting of the host, he brought up the memo, saying, "there should be more discussion about the Downing Street memo and less about Newsweek."

<snip>

Of course, if the issue were really about "the truth" Kerry would have also told the town hall audience to keep in mind that, among other things, on July 23, 2002 "regime change" in Iraq had been the official government policy since 1998...


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/opinion/main700913_page2.shtml

[11cents]

1. Well, it's crap -- but clearly marked as opinion

It's an op-ed piece.

[Mass]

5. And coming from the Weekly Standard,

[Straight Shooter]

25. The Weekly Standard. Isn't that Kristol's propaganda rag?

:eyes:

[dooner]

29. yes siree.. n/t

[Melodybe]

2. I call bull shit, man FUCK CBS!!!!

the "regime change" from 1998 didn't involve putting our troops on the ground. Clinton's plan was merely diplomatic!

FUck CBS!

[JDPriestly]

9. These right-wing nut jobs

don't understand that there is a difference between resolving problems by diplomacy -- negotiation and public relations -- rather than war. It's the strict father value framework gone berserk.

[Todd B]

13. I'm sure it didn't involve:

Also, I'm sure that the "regime change" policy didn't involve trying to fix evidence to get us in to a war..

But, you know, I'm just obviously in "cuckoo clock" territory so what do I know?

[Vitruvius]

22. Maybe it's time to take the public airwaves away from CBS --

as soon as the Dems come back to power.

Same for use of the public cable rights-of-way.

The public has NO obligation to allow the corporate media to use the PUBLIC airwaves and cable right-of-ways to shill for their own corporate interests and for the BFEE.

[lonestarnot]

38. FUCK TV PERIOD!

[girl gone mad]

3. It sounds to me like they are desperate..

to get their spin out in front of the story, and the spin they've got so far sounds very unconvincing.

[blm]

12. Sounds like they're afraid of what Kerry will say and do on DSM. No wonder

Kerry is working to get his ducks in a row on this.

They will try to brand him as a "conspiracy theory nut" on this, just as they tried to do to him on IranContra and BCCI. Back then it was Dick Cheney who started attacking Kerry as the conspiracy nut. Uh....what does the congressional record say now, Dick?

[FreedomAngel82]

30. Yep

And also they're trying to paint him as a nobody who doesn't mean anything by saying he's a "failed presidential canidate." I highly doubt that though. I still believe Kerry won 3-5%. They know what Kerry can do from BCCI and Iran/Contra.

[racaulk]

4. "Liberal media" indeed... n/t

[MadHound]

6. Oh this is just more smoke and cover for the administration

Bashing Kerry is simply a side effect, their main goal was to keep smothering the DSM story as much as possible. Thus the whole meme going around the RW echo chamber is that anybody who brings up the DSM must be crazy. Kerry was courageous enough to bring it up, and thus he got smeared.

[GetTheRightVote]

7. I am so sick of these jerks, we should put Kerry back up for Pres

He and Al Gore both deserve their place in the sun and in the WH not the likes of Jeb * or any other member of that family.

:kick:

[Demit]

8. Daniel McKivergan is deputy director of the Project for the New American

Century (from the link)

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Seriously?

Hmm. Interesting.

[Terran]

10. Well, it sure has the meme of the month all over it

Having failed to capture the White House and facing the likely prospect of getting steamrolled by Hillary Clinton for the 2008 Democratic presidential nod...

Yeah, HC has it in the bag alright... :eyes:

[JRob]

11. who has Daniel McKivergan email and phone?

[dooner]

31. they're keeping that info on the DL

Closest thing I can find is this email address for the Weekly Standard:

[email protected]

[Carolab]

14. Sidestepping the real issues.

That * said Saddam HAD WMD and was connected to Al Qaeda. Also, that the inspectors were not allowed to finish their job, because the administration stopped them. That the PNAC and Kwiatkowski's papers show the invasion of Iraq was planned by the NEOCONSERVATIVES all along. That all they needed was some kind of "justification" to go there.

[Frederik]

15. Getting into panic mode now...

It's fun to see them boil in their own fat.

[Blue_In_AK]

16. Methinks they doth protest too much.... n/t

[Brotherjohn]

17. I am SICK and TIRED of hearing: "Regime change was also the policy...

... of the Clinton administration!"

and

"The Clinton administration..." (or you can substitute "everybody" here) "... also thought Saddam had WMDs!"

The first is irrelevant. EVERYBODY wanted Saddam to go, but the question was how to DO it! Clinton did not invade, unprovoked, the sovereign nation of Iraq, did he?!

Hell, even Bush's own damn FATHER didn't, because as he explicitly wrote, we would end up with just the kind of mess we have now!

As for the latter ("everyone thought he had WMDs"), who's in "cuckoo" territory now?

For the zillionth time: NO!! EVERYONE DID NOT THINK SADDAM HAD WMDS!!! The U.N. didn't. Many independent observers and European nations didn't... At least nothing more than perhaps a few expired vials of this and that here and there, but that was still unknown. The U.N., after month's of inspections WE ASKED them to go in and do, had re-iterated their 1998 conclusion: that there was NO resumption of a nuclear program. Their only remaining suspicions, of possible chem or bio weapons left, were due to the fact that Iraq could not conclusively prove they destroyed all of the weapons they said they had (but this was well on it's way to being proven as well).

The most one can say about Clinton is that he may have thought Saddam still had some form of WMDs (leftover from 1991). But he did not know for sure (unlike Bush, HE realized how suspect our intelligence was), and he did not deem it sufficient a threat to invade and conquer a sovereign nation.

And that's really the point, isn't it?

WHO made the bonehead decision? WHO was dead wrong, despite everything the U.N. was telling him (THEY were right). For that matter, WHO was the only president to have access to the renewed inspections and the information they were giving him (that sanctions were working, that Saddam WAS contained)?

BUSH! That's who!

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Exactly

I remember in the first debate Kerry brought that up about Poppy and oh gosh Bush's face you could tell he was so pissed. I loved it!

[David__77]

18. To be fair, CBS also publishes left commentary.

They take things from different magazines. If there is a relatively better news agency, it is this one.

[dooner]

40. good point

I noticed a recent story from The Nation on the site also.

[dogday]

19. Obviously an attack because of Kerry's statement on the DSM

The press has been on Kerry for his grades, etc and it is all about trying to ruin his creditability. I ain't buying this crap...

[Zen Democrat]

20. I have a different take on this -- This makes my day ....

If PNAC and the Weekly Standard people (Bill Kristol, et al) are this worked up about the dissemination of the DSM that means that our side has scored BIG TIME.

As we know, there was a news blackout on discussing this until the weight of public opinion made it impossible for the media to ignore. The Controlled Media were like little kids sticking fingers in their ears and shouting LA LA LA LA LA I DON'T HEAR YOU -- until they were forced to acknowledge this. Initially it was a "we don't know if this has been authenticated" kind of acknowledgment, followed by the "this is old news" meme.

Articles like this one from the Weekly Standard demonstrate that the Pea-Knackers are pretty freaked out about the widespread implications of the "smoking gun" -- and are sounding kind of hysterical.

I like it.

[blm]

21. Same here. When Kerry attacked the media for their inexplicable silence

right on the heels of DU's action to call out Cspan on their refusal to acknowledge DSM story, this whole story started to blow up in the media's face in a way they could no longer ignore without outing themselves as BushInc shills.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. You do make good points

I think that's true. They are worried about something. I wonder what. :shrug: They're for sure trying to frame the debate first and make Kerry look like he's a "sore loser" and not crediable that's for sure.

[Deja Q]

23. So, the M$M is now trying to 8-ball Hillary so they can knock her down too

Great.

All things considered, Dean has the emotion and drive and I would have preferred him to run over Kerry in the first place. We saw how Kerry ran, unlike * Kerry IS agile on his feet yet he didn't bother in the debates (or anywhere else) to counter *'s idiot memes. Hell, many of those memes are ones * is guilty of too. And for PRESENT issues, not ones from 30 years ago.

So, for those reasons only, Kerry IS a nut. He's said enough (very) recently that's made me reconsider (not including the voting machines babbling, there was evidence before the election too and he didn't need to wait 5 months after the election before talking about it)

But the CBS article is disgusting - not just for positioning Hillary for a rude act, but for saying the DSM is cuckoo. Apparently whistleblowing is an act of evil. (just like how some want Deep Throat put to death slowly for being a man of integrity and character and doing the RIGHT thing against the evil of his time.)

But, I hate to say it, there's a lot re: Clinton, ALbright, and Hussie in 1998 as well. So WHY was CLinton hyping up Sadist in 1998 anyway? To appease poppy?! He's been very nice to poppy during the tsunami stuff as well... but what are we supposed to think? "No good deed goes unpunished"? Or "turncoats from within"? Or "bipartisanship centrists really aren't"?

[FreedomAngel82]

35. I wonder too about Clinton and Poppy

:shrug: But I think they are trying to manipulate us into getting Hillary because they think she's easy to beat. I don't know if she is or isn't (I think they're underestimating her personally). It's just disgusting how they are and pisses me off too. :mad:

[dooner]

24. McKivergan has an interesting bio... PNAC, McCain, Miller (FL)

Daniel McKivergan is deputy director of the Project for the New American Century. Prior to joining the Project, Dan was legislative director for the Office of Senator John McCain of Arizona.

From 1989 to 1992, he worked at the Republican National Committee. In 1993, McKivergan joined the staff of the Project for the Republican Future, a Washington, D.C. think tank, and in 1995 became research director for the Weekly Standard magazine. Two years later, he was appointed legislative director for Congressman Dan Miller (R-FL) before taking the position of policy director for the Philanthropy Roundtable and associate editor of its magazine, Philanthropy. McKivergan also served in the United States Coast Guard Reserve from 1985 to 1989 and holds degrees from Holy Cross and Johns Hopkins.

As well as a classic, blast from the past 9/2004 editorial entitled:

"Nothing to do with the truth"

"YESTERDAY, John Kerry repeated what has become a standard Kerry-Edwards campaign talking point: Saddam's Iraq had "no ties to al Qaeda," or, as Kerry recently told Time, Saddam Hussein had "nothing to do with al Qaeda."

These statements are false."


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/663oidxm.asp

[blm]

47. After election they said Kerry never mentioned Iraq. They'll say ANYTHING

if it fits their line of argument at that moment. They make up lies off the top of their heads if they have to, because noone else in the media calls them on their lies.

[Cha]

26. They're scared whackos...

bush won dirty.

And the weaklystandard is a filthy rag..not even good enough for fish.

[Sparkly]

27. Look at their definition of sanity: Zell Miller, Ann Coulter, Alan Keyes,

If you look at all the people they consider sane, and all the people they consider insane, be glad if they call you insane -- it's better company.

[LuPeRcALiO]

28. still making up for Rathergate.

I hope they're stocked up on Chapstick because their lips are going to get real sore.

[LightningFlash]

34. This says it all right here....

"Having failed to capture the white house"

Failed, nutjobs??? Kerry won the election almost unopposed, yet machines and dirty tricks stole it anyway! :o


If any time was time for John to get up and fight back, that time is now. They've battered your reputation into the sewer John, they are clearly afraid of you and not a thing you've done yet has been proactive. Why don't you become the REAL John Kerry?

Why don't you stand up against these thugs and call em on the lies they've brought to the United States?


Come John, I dare you to come out of retirement. They won't stop egging you on.

[Al-CIAda]

37. "Standard" procedure. First response is always the 'crazy' label.

CBS is obviously now PNAC property.

[NVMojo]

39. Rovians have taken over CBS, they can go fuck themselves.

Go Kerry!! Keep getting in their faces!!!


CBS = Corporate Butt Suckers

[IndyOp]

41. First they ignore you, then they ridicule you,

then they fight you, then you win. - paraphrasing Gandhi.

Phase 1: Ignored? Of course we are - but not all the time anymore. The internet and left radio are becoming the 'echo chamber' we need to communicate and to grow in confidence.

Phase 2: Ridicule is well underway - just in the past few days Dean, and now Kerry.

Phase 3: The fight has just barely begun. Orchestrated propaganda effort re: Downing Street Minutes - Bush & Blair, Cheney, PNAC hack. Soon they'll have McCain out front 'explaining the Minutes away'.

Phase 4: Then you win. The fault lines are appearing in their united front: MSNBC's reporter went nuts at Reid/Dean event yesterday; Sensenbrenner melted down during session today; O'Lielly's cruise was cancelled; Repub sleaze is being exposed day after day -- what is next?

:bounce:

[jazzjunkysue]

46. That's right: The "nutty" defense. Used to work, before B** wasted months

selling a hopeless social security rip-off scheme.

People are waking up to this, and this can only be good to get the words "New American Century" out there so people will learn why they were hoodwinked.

That was how I got out of the election funk: I researched until I discovered PNAC, and then it at least all made sense: Monica, Starr, and the religious right. It's all in thrall to PNAC, and they can try to pretend their policies were the national policies, but we all know they weren't.

[Hubert Flottz]

42. It's about time somebody besides Al Gore and Dean got wild-

eyed! I think wild eyed Jim non-Sinse'n'brenner had a bad reaction to his viagra this morning on Capitol hill, when he turned into a chubby 6 foot tall throbbing "member"...of congress and stormed out screaming! How could anyone in the democratic leadership, be any more power crazed and wild eyed than Jumbo Jimbo was in that committee meeting this am?

If "them old democrats" don't let prince George's goons spy on everybody and nose around in everybody's bidness, Jimbo will just take his mikes and go home! I wonder how patriotic Thomas Jefferson would have thought congressman and cheese head F.J.non-Sense'n'brener was this morning. What a calamity these GOPer jack asses and clowns are! John Kerry knows that even though our party is represented by our little flop eared donkey, the truth is that, the real Jack Asses are the pushy hate filled GOP leadership in Washington.

Senator Kerry gets paid to speak up for the people who elected him! Kerry, or Gore, or Dean, should have every right to speak for their people and to speak the truth wherever the go. And so should everyone on both sides, have had that very same right to speak in the Committee room this morning. What Sensenbrener did today was a slap in the face to every voter and taxpayer in the US! Freedom of speech is one of the many great Constitutional freedoms that every US soldier, in every US conflict since 1776, has fought for and it is what our soldiers today are fighting and dying for.


On our TVs today we saw a crude and lawless act committed in our Capitol Building, by a "Law Maker" who has no respect, but only contempt, for the law of the land. He abused his power and he made a huge ass of himself, but the worst thing he did, was to stop the voices of the opposition and to deny our congress men and women their rights to their freedom of speech.

America the Beautiful gets uglier every day and Al Gore, Howard Dean and John Kerry have every right to chime in for our freedoms. It's long overdue IMHO!

[wisteria]

43. Kerry nuts? Actually, he is sly like a fox.

This is becoming a standard repub administration put down. Anyone who comes to close to the truth is labeled crazy or nuts. They fear the truth coming out and exposing their lies and deceits.

[Hubert Flottz]

44. From the tiny nut grows the mighty Oak! And from the mighty Oak

A large Baseball Bat can be whittled! Crazy like a four legged FOX, is Howard Dean! We tried the sickening soft touch for the last five years and we got screwed over and steam rolled flat! Howard is exactly right to try the ball bat between the eyes approach now! Sometimes it takes a ball bat to get the required amount of attention and Dr Dean has gotten their attention in spades! Keep right on swinging Mr. Dean!!!!

[janx]

45. The media are coming down hard on the Dem party.

I wonder why?