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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:23 AM
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A question for the BBV knowledgable
Let me start by saying I see the absolute biggest problem for us as being the media and not BBV. For me, BBV is number 2. My reasoning, in a nut shell, is that if we had an honest media, the BBV issue would have been on everyone's radar and we could well have been on our way to a solution by now.

Why are no significant Dem perosnages talking about this? Why are no Dem elected officials (who all, obviously, need to get VOTED INTO THEIR JOBS) talking about the one thing that can take even a safe incumbent and throw him overboard?

Is no one bothered by it? Are they talking about it and not being covered, which could well be and which backs up my contention that the media is the bigger issue?

Anyway, here's my question.

Either this is an issue or its not. What's the deal?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:25 AM
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1. I wonder if this should be handled as a national or a local issue
I mean what would be the most effective?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:25 AM
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2. In the words of Joseph Pulitzer
"Our republic and its press will rise and fall together"
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:31 AM
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3. Biggest question out there re BBV...and I vacillate daily on my answer...
on the one hand, I know that, up to 2002, touchscreen voting was seen as a rich-precinct vs. poor-precinct problem with poor precincts getting punch cards and the rich getting touchscreens. HAVA was fought for by John Conyers initially for this very reason. Same with many in the "liberal establishment".

On the other hand, so much excellent research has been done exposing the issue that you would think our "leaders" would have got the message by now.

Its a mystery. :shrug:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:46 AM
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5. A mystery wrapped in
riddle. I will say there are a few that get it...but those are mostly local elected officials.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:43 AM
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4. kick
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:08 PM
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6. The chicken or the egg?
To me, we are nowhere if our votes don't count. The integrity of our elections is #1 to me. With honest elections, we can have the power to break up corporate control of the media.

But is surely a chicken vs. egg issue!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:11 PM
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7. My fundamental question is
why are no elected Dems talking about this? I find it amazing that no one mentions it. Having to get reelected, one MIGHT think it is of interest to them, no?

The only one was Conyers, and even he's on to other topics.

This just amazes me.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:45 PM
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8. You probably answered the question
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 04:01 PM by troubleinwinter
"why are no elected Dems talking about this?"

So, I think it comes down to: vote the fuckers out and replace them with people like Conyers who will stand up and say what needs to be said, and do what needs to be done.

Of course, we'd need reliable elections to do it.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:35 PM
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9. It's a selective breeding thaang...
What is it..it only take a slight advantage and a small number of generations for a mutation to take over...

Invasion of the Mutant Democrats...
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