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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:21 AM
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Did Bush Deliberately Deceive America About Iraq? by Rep. John Conyers
CounterPunch
June 6, 2005

Did Bush Deliberately Deceive America About Iraq?
By Rep. JOHN CONYERS

We have reached a point where all but the most delusional enthusiasts of the Iraq war have now acknowledged that Iraq did not possess weapons of mass destruction at the time of the U.S. invasion and likely for over a decade preceding the war. Fox News and the President were slow to acknowledge this fact, but now have.

Unfortunately, it seems this rare consensus has lulled many into failing to ask the follow-up question: why were the President and other high-ranking administration officials so definitive in their statements that Iraq possessed WMD? This question is not of a merely historical significance: we deserve to know whether these statements were the result of a "massive intelligence failure" as some have contended or a deliberate deception of the Congress and the American people.

Essentially, the question boils down to what lawyers call "mens rea". Before a defendant can be convicted of a crime the judge or jury must find not only that the defendant committed the wrongful act but also did so with a state of mind indicating culpability. In the case of a fraud, the jury must find that there was intent to deceive. In the case of Iraq, the weight of evidence continues to accumulate indicating that the American people and Congress may well have been the victims of a deliberate deception.

.... in the past two weeks alone (leaving out the reports of the last three years), we have a pretty clear pattern. This Administration had a cover story, namely that a clear and present danger to the United States was posed by Iraq's WMD, for something they knew they wanted to do: go to war with Iraq. Those who brought forward the weight of evidence disputing these claims were first ignored and later punished. Those who assisted in the cover story were rewarded.

Please read Representative Conyers entire statement at:

http://www.counterpunch.org/conyers06062005.html
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:29 AM
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1. Kick
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:42 PM
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5. Sign Rep. John Conyers letter, it's just as important as reading this
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 01:15 PM by Zinfandel
article, as to take some kind of action, don't you think?

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/takeaction.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

The Downing Street "Memo"

"Congressman John Conyers is calling on American citizens to sign on to a letter to the President that demands a response to questions originally posed by Conyers and 88 other members of Congress in a similar letter dated May 5, 2005. Conyers has committed to personally delivering the letter to the White House when it garners 100,000 250,000 citizen signatures.

Let's help him get there. Follow the (above) link to sign.

*The congressman's website is having trouble keeping up with the traffic, and they may also be changing the address of the specific page. The links above will go to the Home page. Please then go to the links on the left of the page and click on Downing Street Minutes."

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Democracy White Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:30 AM
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2. And the smoke clears up
Bush is a war criminal, no doubt about that. It's just when is he and the rest of this adminstration going to be held accountable for it. The evidence is there, it just needs to be brought to light. And we are seeing that happening.
I have always known that there were no WMDs in Iraq and I have always had the feeling that Bush lied to us and was playing the heartstrings of fear on the American people. Like my mother for example, she still thinks that there are WMDs, just not in Iraq but maybe in Syria or elsewhere.
Now that proof of Bush's Greatest Lie is coming out, I think that the American people are starting to see Bush and the Adminstration for the crooks that they are.
My mother also says that Bush won't be impeached or that impeachment won't happen. I just say we'll see.

Dee
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:31 PM
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3. kick
eom
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:38 PM
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8. kick
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:34 PM
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4. BushCO & the neoCONs intentionally deceived and betrayed us,...
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 12:35 PM by Just Me
,...ALL of us!!!

:grr:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:42 PM
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20. Downing Memo would make it appear so why else would Blair
fly into see Bush today being that Kerry's giving a wake-up speech people on the Downing St. Memo Tomorrow, coincidence? yeah, right!!!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:07 PM
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21. Did he? Wow.
bLiar flew in to see the Chimp today, huh. Anyone have a link for that one?
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:58 AM
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27. Downing Street MINUTES. n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:55 PM
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6. excellent!
Go John!

:loveya:
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:13 PM
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7. KICK!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:43 PM
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9. Kicked and recommended. And if you haven't seen the VIDEO "Remind Us"
here's another chance. It was produced before the 2004 elections and is still one of the most damning reminders of the unending stream of LIES that poured out of the Bush cartel. You hear their own words, and the cumulative effect is devastating. And this was long BEFORE exposure of the Downing St Minutes:

http://www.peacecandy.com/gwbush/remindus
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:49 PM
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10. Yes
Conyers says so too.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:22 PM
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11. Conyers on npr this morning-
Conyers-"Good morning!,,,(Question-"We've spent a lot of time talking about the Downing Street Memo and the revelation of that crucial phrase about the intelligence being fixed to shape a reason to go to war in Iraq.Tell me what your reaction is to what's happening out there now in the American public,the reaction to this memo and the feeling on the part of many that the administration lied to the American people.")

Well,there's an unusual thing happening in two respects.One,is that,excluding you and a few others,there's a great reluctance on the media to want to inquire to inquire into a matter as serious as this.

This abuse can be a constitutional one that could have grave ramifications.But,among the American people,and our polls show it,nationally and in my state of Michigan,most people would like us to resolve this war as quickly as possible and get the folks out,our folks out.

And this question revealing that there may have been secret plans for a war while the president and his cabinet were assuring us that they were looking for every other means to get into war,rather,than to get out of war,is pretty serious if it's accurate and there's no desire to want to go there,and I think it's very important.

It reminds me of the Vietnam episode of how citizen power finally forced our government to leave Vietnam.Reminds me of how things built up around the impeachment of President Nixon which was considered out of the question in view of the fact that he had been reelected by a far more substantial margin than one state.

And so what we're trying to figure out is why is there is such a lack of opposition among those who feel that this should go further.And on the other side of it ,Dianne, is the very serious problem of a president who refuses to honestly communicate with not just one member of Congress;a lot of us have sent letters to get people in the White House to respond.

And then we have in addition 89 members of Congress,and you get these reactions-"Uh,this is old stuff."Well it isn't old stuff,we never had a declassified British intelligence memo before the the Sunday London Times released it.

We knew that former Secretary of Treasury O'Neil and security officers and weapons inspectors have all said that there was a war being planned much earlier than the president received Congressional support for increased military action.But it's slow coming and I think it tells us a not very happy part of our political process in here in this country.

(Question-"Have you and your colleagues asked the White House for information specifically about this Downing Street Memo and have you received specific answers?")

Yes we have asked for a meeting and a response and we've been brushed off,we don't have anything yet.

(Question-"How serious do you believe this information to be?")

Well the first thing is that by them not responding to it and dismissing it gives it ,to me, a credibility that nobody can give it but president Bush and the White House itself.And so I think the fact that there may have been and likely was,as many have written before but we couldn't do this with O'Neil or weapons inspectors or security people in the United States.

Here was declassified notes with the prime minister who is here in Washington today to meet with the president and both of them are together and you would think that somebody would say "Well let's just tell them what happened."

That's all we're looking for.And I can't put the fullest weight on this matter until I finnd out what it is they tell me."

Host-"Congressman John Conyers,Democrat of Michigan,thank you so much for joining us sir and good luck to you."

Conyers-"And thank you so much for dealing with this difficult subject."

Host-"Thank you so much,Martin Walker,last word,quickly."

Walker-"Congressman Conyers on his website has got a ,the chance to sign up to a petition saying you want to join him in this concern,so far the last count,over 90,000 signatures.That's the kind of pressure that might be needed now."(end)

http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/05/06/06.php
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:29 PM
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12. DOUBLE KICK!
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 02:30 PM by Zinfandel


:kick: :kick:
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 04:29 PM
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16. Kickarooni
Wow... Conyers is picking up some fervor.... just watch your back, my friend, your country needs you!!!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:10 PM
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22. Aww... My hero, Congressman John Conyers.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 03:06 PM
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13. kick Kick KICK!!!
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 03:58 PM
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14. kick
eom
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 04:24 PM
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15. Yes, it IS the TRUTH.
:kick:
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:13 PM
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17. wrote this -before Rep.Conyers ' letter became a petition
I still am going to send it in and take it with me to WDC. Please consider signing it.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/907402825 We the undersigned, endorse the following petition:

We the people demand our right to know the facts.

Dear Mr. George Bush;

Please tell the truth, and stop intimidating journalist

We the people, have a right to know the truth.

We want you to answer the questions by the Hon. Rep. Conyers and 89 other members of congress, concerning the Blair/ Downing Street memo, your plans for the invasion of Iraq, and the actions you took to distort information, in order to advance your preconceived agenda.

We want to know why Scott McClellan your press secretary, blamed Newsweek magazine, for the actions of policemen in Iraq shooting and killing 15 protesters. Military officials appear to refute your claims, that a statement in the magazine referring to an investigation, of possible disrespect, and inappropriate behavior of an interrogator resulted in this violence.

We want to know who planned this course of action, apparently to further intimidate our media. As a democracy a free and non-partisan media is critical.

We further implore you to encourage unencumbered, investigations into the anomalies of the 2004 presidential elections. Please allow the investigators to examine the vast amount of documentation by voter's rights groups and University professors.

Please make a public statement encourage the media to explore this documentation and report it, without concern of retribution from your administration. We can not have real voter reform, nor restore faith in our democracy without a free press and fair elections.

(also I am still hoping folks will send in post cards - also afterdowningStreet.org has a link to some now -the spine ones.) http://jarnocan.blogspot.com NoBu**Sh**zone
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:18 PM
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18. kick
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:11 PM
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19. Kick
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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:12 PM
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23. Bush did not decieve
He just flat fucking lied.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 02:04 AM
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24. TRUTH IS OUR MOST POWERFUL WEAPON!
Peace.:patriot:
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:10 AM
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25. kick
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:19 AM
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26. If Bush did not intentionally "lie", then it is OK?
If he knew it was a lie and continued to deceive the people, then it is a horse of a different color.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:04 AM
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28. No, it's not ok - then we have a massive failure of intelligence
which needs to be thoroughly investigated.

The administration is either lying (my opinion) or hugely inept. There's no winning position for them.
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