Pro life really pro birth

[southernleftylady]

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We would like to think that pro-lifers have it right. We would like to think that their position is grounded in rationale and logic. Unfortunately, as noble a cause as it may be, they don't really have too much of this thought out.




First off, none of them are pro-life; they are pro-birth. "Pro-life" suggests that not only will they fight for their right to be born, but also they will fight for a higher quality of life all through their childhood; that they have a pro-education sign right next to their sign with a dead fetus on it. But once the child is born it becomes a moot point to them. "Another baby in the world...on to the next helpless fetus!" As far as I know, the people who dedicate their lives to the pro-life agenda don't bother themselves with other issues such as welfare, education or health care. I don't blame them. The pro-life agenda is a demanding issue that requires quite a bit of dedication.




The pro-life agenda seems to be all about giving children a chance but robbing them of their opportunity. If you are going to push a woman to go through with the birth, I believe, you better be prepared to give her a more emotionally reassuring alternative then to just give it away to another family.

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[wakemeupwhenitsover]

1. I've always hated the term pro-life.

I think it put us on the defensive; all of a sudden we're anit-life, when of course we're not. In fact, we're the pro choice, pro life crowd. We care about you after you're born, we care about prenatal care, Headstart, education, health care for everyone, retirement, clean environment, etc. etc. etc.

When we let them get away with terming themselves 'pro-life' I think we made a major tactical error. We should have forced them to refer to themselves as anti-choice, no exceptions.

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[jasmeel]

5. When I was campaigning for Kerry and I asked this dumb lady

who she was voting for she said I'm pro life, so I'm voting for *. I said oh, your anti-choice, and we went back and forth like that for a second. It's funny how much language matters.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

9. you're right,

language matters & we continually seem to get our butts kicked by letting the repugs define themselves & us.

I am not anti-life, I'm pro-choice. They are not pro-life, they're anti -choice.

Years ago the anti-choice crowd took on the title, pro-life. Now, even the MSM uses it. Honest to god, I don't know how we let them get away with it.

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[LiviaOlivia]

2. I prefer "forced-birth"

They(GOP FUNDIES) don't want to pay for pre-natal nutritrion, medical check-ups, hospitalization, infant checkups and education.

And are they fighting for good jobs with benefits to feed the baby and the parents?

[TahitiNut]

3. For many, it's the only kind of "pro-labor" they'll ever be.

In a sense, though, much of the political impetus is breeding a labor force and military cannon fodder born into virtually inescapable poverty.

[jasmeel]

6. I heard some fundie talking about abortion being the reason

SS is in trouble. Not enough people working because of all the abortions. First I'd heard of that.

[Mrs_Beastman]

4. I agree

after they make sure you have the kid(because you can't use birth control) you are on your own. No help with raising the kid. And God forbid your poor and need help of any kind.

[Cleita]

7. Yeah, if that child is born poor, he'd better go out and get a job

to feed, clothe and shelter him. We don't need anymore welfare drags on the dole here. :sarcasm: off>

[formercia]

8. Fearless Leader issues 'Motherhood Medal'

Just like Hitler in the 30's giving medals for having babies.

Making cannon fodder for the Reich,like making little sausages.


Just satire son...

[omega minimo]

10. #2 + #3 = "Forced Labor"

"Pro-life" really Anti-Privacy and Pro-Control.

[megatherium]

11. Pro-life people sincerely believe abortion is murder.

They can never accept it. I respect anyone with a conscientious opposition to abortion on that basis, even though I support choice. (What I do not respect are politicians who say they're against abortion except in cases of rape or incest. It would be just as much a murder even if the child is conceived under those unfortunate circumstances.)

Once I heard a woman on C-Span argue a provocative position: she thought we should create a criterion for the beginning of human life based on brain activity -- brain birth, to parallel the already-established criterion of brain death for the cessation of life. She said that central nervous sytem activity begins at around 10 weeks, when the embryo becomes a fetus. She said her position would make abortion-rights activists unhappy because her criterion is well before the Supreme Court criterion of viability (the first trimester), and it would make pro-life advocates unhappy because they believe life begins at conception.