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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 08:53 AM
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Interesting info about General Michael Jackson
He's become quite the hero among the anti-Clark faction for singlehandedly preventing WWIII, but he also has another claim to fame: he was second in command at the infamous Bloody Sunday massacre in Northern Ireland, at which fourteen demonstrators, seven of them teenagers, were deliberately shot dead by British troops.

Jackson was also involved more recently in reinstating a Scots Guardsman convicted of murdering a Belfast teenager in 1992.

None of this necessarily means that Jackson was wrong about the Pristina airport incident, of course, but it does tend to call into question his reputation at DU as a man opposed to unnecessary violence.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 08:56 AM
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1. “Darth Vader” or the “Prince of Darkness”
both names given to him by his own troops.

Darth Vader lecturing Wesley Clark on WWIII!
Gotta love it.

Thanks QC, someone was asking about whether Jackson was involved in Bloody Sunday, and now we know.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:02 AM
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2. What was Gen. Clark's endearing nickname?
Oh, yes. The Supreme Being! Imagine that Darth Vader lecturing The Supreme Being!
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:05 AM
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3. Uhh....is that a new one?
I'd not heard that.

His *title* was Supreme Commander.

The only nickname I've heard is "Perfumed Prince", given by another military guy.

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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:31 AM
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7. No, not new
"Clark’s nickname among soldiers under his command reportedly was “the Supreme Being.” And that was when Clark was only a general or even lower-ranking officer. What would he expect us to call him if he became Commander-in-Chief?"

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9522
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:30 AM
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11. Sources, Sources
So you've shown us that FrontPage against Clark, as well as CounterPunch.

What else? The National Review dislikes Clark? The Maoist International Monthly?

Youze got nothing.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:31 AM
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13. Facts are facts
Trying to kill the messenger won't work.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:19 AM
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17. How about...
Mr. President?

Thanks QC for the update on Jackson.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:49 AM
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8. Tom DeLay calls him a "blow-dried Napoleon."
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ronzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:04 AM
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10. oh, the irony....
eom
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Another Bill C. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:06 AM
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4. Given thirty years of cover-up lies
by the British Military (including Jackson) over the Bloody Sunday Massacre, I'd say General Michael Jackson's competence and credibility are totally worthless. To this day, the British government puts a great deal of effort into stifling the truth about this bloodbath.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:13 AM
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5. It Was A Tactical And Strategic Disaster
Edited on Sat Sep-20-03 09:14 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
It galvanized the Northern Irish opposition...


Like Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount....
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:00 AM
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9. They are protecting Ted Heath's ass......
Heath was PM in '72 when foreign organised crime, spearheaded by the P2 Lodge, was orchestrating and bankrolling IRA atrocities in Eire, Belfast and mainland UK. Heath's shambolic leadersip of the Conservative party merely plunged the country into a deeper state of civil war, especially after the death of the Duke of Windsor, and a few months later, Harry S Truman. The as yet unpublished documents bequeathed by DofW and Harry S all relate to the collusion of the UK military with IRA terrorists, and the input of US crime families into sustaining and furthering the civil war in the UK. They also show the massive role of the Catholic church both during and after WWII in sustaining and protecting Nazi interests and acting as a conduit for fascist money laundering.

Jackson has recently had to go back to the Saville enquiry that is still investigating the 1972 Bloody Sunday atrocities, and has had to admit his earlier evidence was wrong and misleading.
Let it not be forgotten that it was he and Stormin Norman Schwartzkopf that were the main military apparatchiks of Bush 1 in 1991 when the rights of the Kuwaiti tin pot dictatorship were upheld and Saddam ousted. Politically, Jackson and Schwartzkopf are somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun....
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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 09:22 AM
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6. Michael Jackson's a General now?
I can't wait to see his uniform!
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:31 AM
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12. It's on MTV
It's all HIStory
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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:46 AM
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16. I do seem to remember him
wearing a military style costume back in the "Thriller" days. Maybe their going to put him in charge over in Iraq. He could adopt all those poor kids over there and visit the Baghdad museum when he's in the mood for one of his shopping sprees!
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:32 AM
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14. Does anyone realize how weak this attack is?
Not only is this MJ story meaningless, but it will have zero resonance in the election:

(1) The guy is named Michael Jackson. No one will get past the tut-tuttering.

(2) The accusation is that Wesley Clark was too eager to stand up to the Russians. Yeah, that always loses elections in America...
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:34 AM
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15. this does show a certain desperation to shut him up
from a group of (potentially) whacked-out conserva-Dem freaks
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:24 AM
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18. If I remember correctly,
Pristina airport was to be the headquarters of the UN forces in the area. At that time, the Russians had been excluded from the peacekeeping troops. They decided to get involved. Seems like Clark was attempting to keep things simple when he wanted Pristina closed to the Russians. Big headlines at the time, but I dont really remember other than what I've stated.
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