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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:03 PM
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Noam Chomsky on "Rate My Professor.com"
He may be the most famous professor in the US, and the hero of the left, but even Chomsky gets dinged by his students.

http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=44844

Some sample comments:

"So far to the left he makes 1960s hippies look like Pat Buchanan. Thought provoking, but a bit of a nut. "

"He is a complete fraud!Writes sophmoric books that he knows the ignorant liberals will treat as the Bible. "


"Not a bad professor but a terrible human being. Does not support human rights although he will claim he does. "

And some students just slammed him with ratings of "1" (the lowest) in categories like "easiness", "helpfulness" and "clarity". And he didn't get a single point for "hotness" (ie, attractiveness, a rating just for fun.)

These comments are all for his linguistics courses, a field which he reinvented in the 1960s and early 70s, and keeps reinventing. Chomsky is the virtual pope of linguistics. These students are all from MIT.


(For the record, I love the guy. I just sympathize as someone who has been "evaluated" by students.)
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OneMoreDemocrat Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:04 PM
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1. "These students are all from MIT"..........
Somehow I doubt it.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:07 PM
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2. I've had friends who went to Ivy League schools and seem that dense
look at Bush.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:13 PM
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3. MIT is actually more conservative than other Ivies
from what I have read.

I have actually seen Chomsky speak and he is a compelling speaker in person, if irritatingly arrogant.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:19 PM
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5. I think you are being generous
I have only ever heard two other speakers as incredibly arrogant as Chomsky. One was Umberto Eco and the other was Michael Moore. If their was a Nobel prize for arrogance those three would win hands down. I may agree with them but I would probably end up killing them if I had to spend anytime with them.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:52 PM
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11. Chomsky debated Foucault
and you can see it on DVD now. The latter won the arrogance competition. But he deserved to be, IMO.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:56 PM
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13. I was about to disagree, but then I read
"I may agree with them but I would probably end up killing them if I had to spend anytime with them."

and I had to laugh. I know that feeling, and there's no point pretending arrogance doesn't exist on the left. I could say something similar about Michael Ruppert. Largely agree with him, but God, spare us the ego.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:07 PM
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16. I've heard Chomsky a couple times and have the opposite impression
Chomsky is highly educated and his manner of speaking may put some off. But he is as down to earth and self-effacing as they come. He's stopped to talk with me, answered my emails, donated a copy of his latest book for a silent auction. He's a real sweetie and well-loved.
:loveya:
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:30 PM
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22. He may be better one-on-one
I met some of his students and they really like him. One of them also told me that Chomsky is the fastest typist he ever met. (Go figure!)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:31 PM
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7. I've only heard his debate vs. Perle
Very well-spoken and brings up great points.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:43 PM
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9. MIT's not an Ivy League school.
It's actually one of Massachusetts' land grant institutions. Originally, UMass was the ag school and MIT was the tech school. Somehow, MIT evolved into a private school while UMass became the flagship state university.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:54 PM
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12. You are correct.
Edited on Thu May-26-05 04:00 PM by Nikki Stone 1
My bad for not remembering that.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:15 PM
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4. What a crock of BS
Anyone can rate anyone on that site. What ever made you believe that those ratings were legitimate, other than wishful thinking.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:22 PM
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6. How do we know he hasn't been freeped
as his books are at amazon.com, for instance? How do we know those are real MIT students, or real Chomsky students?

If they are actually his students, they're abusing the service and cheapening it. You rate a professor based on how well he teaches, not on what he believes.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:36 PM
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8. There are legit course numbers on the evals
And some of the other comments (not posted) ring true. I have also looked up some profs I know at other schools on the same site, and the criticisms (and praises) are on the mark.

There are a small number of evals actually. If it had been freeped, there should be more of them.

However, it's certainly possible. But I can tell you that even the best profs get bad evals from some student with an axe to grind.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:46 PM
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10. I know that's true! I've written some myself.
But I didn't attack the professor personally. Just the style of teaching or what I viewed as unfair practices. It disgusts me to think that students don't know how to critique a professor without sticking to the facts. People don't use this service to read about Chomsky's views, which are pretty well known. They want to know if he's a good professor.

I read (in a New Yorker article I think) that Chomsky is NOT a good teacher, by the way. He is very impatient with questions or views outside of a narrow range--i.e., out of the range of questions he expects or views that are his own. His classes (the article claimed) invariably devolve into two groups: the Chomsky clique and the didn't-click-with-Chomsky clique.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:58 PM
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14. That sounds about right
His personality tends to polarize. Even if you agree with him, you can find him maddening.

And sadly, lots of students make personal attacks on that website. The ones I have seen are actually pretty accurate, but not necessarily related to the course content.

I looked up several of my old profs from years ago and found the evals pretty much the same as I would have done then.

I also saw one of my favorite profs unfairly blasted on the site.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:03 PM
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15. of course he's been freeped
i'm not saying he wouldn't get bad ratings otherwise. there are brilliant old professors at every school that are horrible teachers and will get dinged on that page. inversely there are shitty professors who get high marks. regardless of individual professor accumen - it's a popularity contest - just so happens that Chomsky competes nationally. not to mention the shitkicking trash that invariably will go there and act like they were in his class.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:11 PM
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18. There aren't that many evals on him--had he been freeped, there would be
more, I think.

It's interesting to check out your own profs and see how accurate the criticisms are.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:32 PM
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23. there are 61 more that arent shown
that can be viewed by patrons of the site. compare that to another professor.

take a look at the bottom of the page;)
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:35 PM
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24. Thanks. Just saw that
Gotta pay for a gold membership to see them all.

I wonder if this website actually checks.

We could always DU the thing. :)
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:07 PM
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17. Personally, I prefer Howard Zinn.
Everyone should see his autobiographical video "You Can't Be Neutral On A Moving Train" -- or read "A People's History of the United States."

Incredible and inspiring man.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:12 PM
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19. I am reading his Peoples History this summer
Have you ever had a class with him?
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Crowdance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 09:08 PM
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27. I was a research assistant for him during that period
A Boston University work/study program. He is an amazing human being. He would talk about how he was "planting seeds" in his work at BU, hoping that his ideas would take root in us, his students, because there was just too much work to be done. Working for him was an exposure to higher truth, to be sure. His classes were always well attended, his words often caused his students to take action in the world and at the university. I only met Chomsky once, at a breakfast he hosted with the Berrigans at a deli, but he, too, is a remarkable man.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 09:14 PM
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28. I am pea green with envy! n/t
:pea: :green: :with: :envy:


How fortunate person for you!
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:19 PM
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20. Ooooooh! Anonymous criticism at a site where anyone from anyplace can
post comments. What a debunking! This is surely the end of Chomsky.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:25 PM
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21. LOL! Looks like someone went to Ratemyprof to help him out
Edited on Thu May-26-05 04:28 PM by Nikki Stone 1
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moddemny Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 08:47 PM
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25. I'm glad there are people who can see through.....
Chomsky.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 09:02 PM
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26. HAHA! I got to rate him and I'm not a student... technically.
:D "The chair smells green through the looking gas. :-D ... SR"

Chomsky is great! ... or you're not a linguist. ;)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 09:15 PM
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29. Lol. I'll go rate him later
being part of MIT's Open Course counts right ;)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 09:37 PM
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30. Yep
His Open Course students tend to understand him and his work. :D


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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:01 PM
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31. LOL!

And for once, a picture that won't give me nightmares ;)
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:06 PM
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32. Here is Ward Churchill
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