Filibuster compromise: What a CHARADE by both sides.

[UdoKier]

The far-right wackos like Malkin and Dobbs feign histrionics and outrage they they didn't quite get the full-on dictatorship they wanted, when in reality, neither of them could give a damn, so long as their Scaife bread is buttered. Realists and leftists realize it's just one more thrust in the 3 decade long screwing we've been getting, and the DINOs and moderates rationalize to themselves what a victory it is that we didn't completely scrap the filibuster, even though they will be confirming some of the most far-out extremist corporate whore judges the judiciary has ever seen.

These are the same folks who grinned and tried to rationalize about all the "good" Clinton was supposedly doing while he signed NAFTA, deregulated the media, bombed Kosovo and Iraq and encouraged a speculative bubble and record household debt while slashing welfare and continuing the government trend of shifting the tax burden to the poor and middle class by taking the emphasis away from income taxes and putting it on government fees.

This country is so far beyond gone, and the "moderates" are always there to tell us how the latest loss is actually a grand victory.

:puke::rant: :banghead: :grr:

[FlemingsGhost]

1. Why do you hate the Democratic Party?

<Whine> Your defeatism is hurting our chances in the next (fixed) election.

[UdoKier]

2. Ooops sorry, must always be grateful.

After all, we did get UNPAID "family leave" and a tiny increase in the minimum wage in the 90's. Oh, if we could only go back to those days of amazing progress.... :eyes:


Oh yeah, and remember how they stood up for the overtime rules?






And then eventually caved? (sigh) Thanks Dick Gephardt for not showing up!

[LibertyorDeath]

3. Hell yeah I'll rec this

One of the best posts I've seen on DU in a long time.

Do you read minds :)

[OneBlueSky]

4. I love posters who use language economically . . .

you done hit the nail on the proverbial head, UK . . . clearly, concisely, and truthfully . . .

people are still behaving as if these were "normal" times . . . they are not . . . "this country is so far beyond gone" is both an accurate description and a rallying cry to do things differently . . . specifically, to settle for nothing but the absolute truth about BushCo, the entire corporate/government complex, and their plans for controlling the world . . .

and to broadcast that truth far and wide and repeatedly . . . over and over and over and over and over again . . . until its drummed into people's heads and they actually begin to understand and appreciate what's happening to this country . . .

the crises demand it . . . and there are a lot of them! . . .

and I am recommending this post . . . anyone care to join me? . . .

[FlemingsGhost]

5. Seconded

This country can no longer afford to deny that we are, and have been, in a Constitutional crisis.

[Nothing Without Hope]

6. Yes, this is pretty much the way I feel.

They can still go nuclear at any time a vote on a bill or a candidate important to them is involved. Horrible candidates will be approved.

There was a comment to Kevin Drum's blog in which someone said they heard Graham say that part of the deal was that one of the three judges in the initial filibusterless batch would be voted down by a bipartisan vote. I wonder if anyone else heard that and whether it is true.

I can't see this as a victory and I don't think the Repugs would have gone for it unless they thought they didn't have the votes to win in the nuclear option. "Compromise"? "Bipartisanship"? The president "listening to the Senate"? Pulleeeeeze! :eyes:

It's also about John McCain's political plans - he seems to think a very public shift that seems to be in a moderate direction will serve his purposes. I think he's right about that. Frist looks like a total jackass fool, but then he always does...unless you're a helpless kitty in his clutches.

[Sgent]

7. The sad thing

Bush 41.... American's with Disabilities Act
Clinton.... Don't ask Don't tell, DOMA

Whose done more for civil rights in the last 20 years?

[Nothing Without Hope]

8. I'm not a Clinton fan, but the current Bush administration is monstrous

in addition to being illegal, installed by a series of two stolen elections. The policies have been totally against civil rights and any contitutional controls on the whims of the dictatorial president. Nothing in the history of the country was as bad as this. if they get full control of the juciciary as well, what can stand in their way? The elections are already corrupted.

[nolabels]

27. The former Soviet Union

Ask a stupid question..........:sarcasm:

It's getting close to the point where digging a bunker out back sounds like a viable option :crazy:

[Voltaire99]

9. Well said, UdoKier. (nt)

[radfringe]

10. the compromise that isn't

closest you can call it is a "temporary cease fire"

Repugs get their up/down vote on the TWO centerpiece nominees (Owens and Brown)

Dems get to say they may or may not filibuster the remaining nominees

Frist gets to strut around and spin it as a repug victory for an up/down vote on judicial nominees

Reid gets to strut around and spin it as a dem victory for "preserving" the filibuster

meanwhile -- there is nothing in this so-called compromise which will prevent the repugs from using the "nuk-clear option" in the future regarding other nominees (including Supreme Court) or on other issues

and regarding Supreme court nominees -- if it even looks like the repugs are going to lose seats in 2006 - bush* will be chomping at the bit to nominate before that happens and shove it down the senate's throat

don't forget to add the fabric softner before this pile of crap goes through the rinse/spin cycle

[bvar22]

11. Worse yet...

The Republicans will come out of this looking like MODERATE COMPROMISERS, effectively negating the bad publicity they have been getting lately as EXTREMISTS. AND they will get this image change in the CorpoMedia without giving up a GODDAMMED THING!

The Republicans NEED for America to see Dobson pissed off. He's been hurting them lately. Now the Republicans are Moderate Compromisers instead of Wacko Fristians....and they gave up NOTHING!
BRILLIANT COUP by ROVE!!!!
I'm impressed.

As usual, the Democrats get ZERO, and look like neutered wimps!


Well, SOME Democrats got something. The DLC can drop by Corporate Headquarters and pick up their CHECK for getting 3 more Fanatical Corporatist Judges on the Federal Bench.

[Paradise]

14. Exactly!!! n/t

[Mass_Liberal]

25. I disagree

Frist comes out of this looking extremist, and also not in control of his own party. This isn't a brilliant coup by Rove, this is brilliant political positioning by McCain. We keep the filibuster for what it is really for, extreme candidates (admittedly we had to let 3 go through that fit this description). NOTE: We keep the filibuster FOR THE SUPREME COURT. That's the big battle. Also there are what, 8 republican senators that will oppose the 'nuclear option', basically ending its danger.

I think my bro summed it up well.

This is a small victory for dems
This is a large victory for McCain
This is a large defeat for Frist (see: his presidential campaign in 2008)

Remember, Republicans look (and I think are) disunified. Frist is whining, and all of the far, far right wingers are yelling about betrayal. Meanwhile Reid claims victory.... it looks good. This bodes well for 2006, methinks.

[radfringe]

28. Frist issues new warning on filibusters

remove your spine and take a rubber stamp....

===========

the compromise that isn't....

Frist issues new warning on filibusters
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7967386/
Will seek rule change if Democrats block other nominees
By Tom Curry, National affairs writer -- MSNBC
Updated: 9:29 p.m. ET May 24, 2005

WASHINGTON - In the afterglow of the bipartisan accord announced Monday night to avert a Senate showdown on changing the filibuster rule, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist emphasized Tuesday that he wasn’t a party to the deal and would quickly try to implement the rule change if Democrats resumed use of the filibuster to derail President Bush’s judicial nominees.

[Paradise]

13. Precisely!!! n/t

[bvar22]

12. The Corporate pedigrees of the DEAL brokers.

The Democratic Party got blindsided by a small but well financed and powerful group of conservative Democratic Senators the majority of which are members of the DLC.

These are the Democratic Senators who brokered the DEAL where the Democrats got NOTHING,
and the Republicans got 3 more fanatic Corporatists on the bench.


Joe Lieberman--DLC

Ben Nelson---DLC

Mary Landrieu---DLC

Mark Pryor---DLC

Ken Salazar---no DLC listing, PHenry rating -(minus)100

Kent Conrad---No DLC listing, PHenry rating -(minus)97.5

Robert Byrd---No DLC listing, PHenry rating -(minus) 60

These are the MOST conservative PRO-CORPORATE anti LABOR Democratic Senators in Washington DC.
It breaks my heart that one of my heroes (Byrd) is on the list, but there he is, just like the Bankruptcy vote.

Did they serve YOU, or their Corporate Masters?

The biggest objection that the Democrats had against Owens and Pryor were that they ALWAYS ruled in favor of CORPORATE POWER and AGAINST Labor, Working Americans, and the Consumer.


Do you REALLY think that the Working Class (Democrats) got a deal?

If you WORK for a LIVING, you have been stabbed in the back by the Democrats who openly solicit BRIBES from those who OWN the Corporations!

[Disturbed]

17. 7 Repubs have to agree that

a nominee is under the concept of "extraordinary circumstances" meaning way out of the mainstream. If they do so then no filibuster is needed. If they don't agree then the Dems cannot filibuster. How is this compromise a win for Dems?

[acmejack]

18. The DLC sticks it to us (again)

I am very seriously thinking about abandoning the so called "democratic" party. It is clear we have absolutely no interests in common. One would think that occasionally they would come down on the people's side of things. I suppose I have always been a dreamer. I would rather spend my time (and money) tilting at windmills than waste both by continuing to support this bunch of assholes.

[Mass_Liberal]

23. right

after all, if the democratic party collapses, things will be so much better off. /sarcasm

[dxstone]

15. Great post, Udo... it's all too true...

Too bad, too sad for words...
Bizness as usual, I reckon...
Fuckin' myth, that's all we have left here...
D
ps: Maybe it's me and this bad attitude of mine; I mean, to be honest, I can't even find ONE of the three jobs I'm expected by assholes like Bush to hold in order to cling to pointless survival...
Why do I hate America? Why do I hate this economic nightmare, where one tiny 1% live like fuckin' pharoahs, and the rest eat shit and LIKE it?
What the hell is wrong with me? Why can't I just eat the shit on my plate and be happy like everyone else?
Must be somethin' chemically abberant about my brain...

Everybody’s Waiting

What happened to the light?
What happened to the show?
There’s nobody in sight
Where’d everybody go?
What happened to the players?
Why aren’t they saying lines?
Sounds like they’re saying prayers
And somebody is cryin’
The stage is black as ink
The darkness is unchecked
But everybody thinks
It’s just some great effect

And everybody’s waiting
For the show to start
They’re all anticipating
Uninterrupted art
And everybody’s waiting
For the show to start
And everyone’s together
But everyone’s apart

The darkness is unyielding
The darkness is complete
And everyone starts feeling
Each others’ hands and feet
They’re talking while they’re waiting
And laughing nervously
And someone’s masturbating
Two seats away from me
The wiring must need mending
Something must be broke
But everyone’s pretending
The whole thing’s just a joke

And everybody’s waiting
For the show to start
They’re all anticipating
Uninterrupted art
And everybody’s waiting
For the show to start
And everyone’s together
But everyone’s apart

And everybody’s waiting
And everyone is here
The darkness is grating
The world is full of fear
And everybody’s waiting
Like everything is fine
We’re all masquerading
We all know we’re dyin’
And everybody’s waiting
And everybody’s waiting
And everybody’s waiting...

D X Stone - 1995

If anyone's interested, I have a bunch of other
bad-attitude poems posted at my website at
http://www.presidentevilonline.com/poems.html

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. CHARADE, CHARADE, CHARADE

The "moderates" have done it again. The Democratic party has no spine anymore. They had the MOJORITY of citizen supporting them on this. 70% of the people were against the damn nuclear option. 70%! Had the repukes used it, they would have come out of it damaged. Perhaps damaged enough to turn the sheeple against them at election time? Not that any future election matters because they own the evoting machines. :eyes:

Watching our "moderate" Democrats smile as if they did something wonderful was just ridiculous. Our party should be moving LEFT, not right. I wonder where Howard Dean stands on this (DNC)? I wonder what his thoughts are (sincerely, I wonder)? :shrug: I'm really disappointed how many on DU has just accepted this and anyone who thinks it's just another sellout is considered a "defeatist". What bullshit.

[bloom]

19. Some of the people cheering this

are the same ones who insisted we should be nice to B**h on 9/11 - not say anything bad, etc.

Some people give this government more (undeserved) credit than others.

It's sort of interesting to see what side people are taking.

[GreenPartyVoter]

20. one more

thrust? *lol*

[understandinglife]

21. "this country is so far beyond gone" -- Yes. "America" is past tense.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3688434

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3708092

Peace.


Let's RAP

[H2O Man]

22. I agree 100%

I think the rabid right wing of the republican party got 100% of what it wanted out of this "crisis." I believe that they benefit more from this compromise than they would of from having the fight occure on the Senate floor today -- no matter what way the vote would have gone.

The "complaining" by the extreme right today reminds me of when I complain after my 7-year old daughter "beats" me at chess.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Shhhhhh. Just don your rose colored glasses and say "Victory!"

Don't forget to bless the Dems for giving us those really nice judges that used to "unacceptable extremists" until yesterday.

[nonconformist]

26. Well said, and I totally agree. nt