Define "extraordinary circumstances" (Poll)

[understandinglife]

Poll question: Define "extraordinary circumstances" (Poll)

When all the folk claiming 'victory,' irrespective of 'party' awaken to reality, the reality is that 'extraordinary circumstances' is a hurdle no minority party will ever clear.

Our founders understood the critical necessity for 'checks and balances' and the unrestricted use of 'filibuster' for 200 years has enabled the minority party to represent the will of those who elected it.

So, let's take a poll. Any of the below options work for you? Or, please suggest your version of an 'extraordinary circumstance.'

Peace.


Time for the "Restore America Party" - because restoring "America" is now the issue

[still_one]

1. All of the above

anything else isn't extraordinary

[Chef]

2. Piss Crucifix Display

Top that!

[still_one]

3. no that is OK, because it is religious

[merh]

4. Sorry UL

Can't play your game.

We are the minority and we saved the filibuster. The glass is half full, not half empty or totally empty.

Consequences of this are as follows:

1) Frist is done. He can't even lead a majority. He didn't get his Up or Down vote as he promised, as he crusaded he would. Fristianity no more for 2008. He promised his base he can deliver this, and couldn't. Not only that, the American people want compromise. Instead, he told everyone how unhappy he was that there was bipartisan compromise. HORRIBLE political move.

2) The Moderate Republicans showed their strengths and that they were a force to be reckoned with. They didn't back the Weed's agenda. McCain and the rest of the moderates form a fifth column in the senate. Its like the moderates have had enough and want their own voting block.

This is a SOLID democrat victory. WE are the minority, yet we were able to save the filibuster, to use again. That extreme language is crap and you know it.

WE WON - be happy.

[understandinglife]

7. Appreciate your views. But, the filibuster is past tense. Placing ...

...the qualifier "extraordinary circumstances" in front of it neuters the minority.

For starters, who defines "extraordinary circumstances" - the party in the majority will always control that process.

The 'filibuster' died today. And, until it is stripped of the 'extraordinary circumstances' qualifier it will remain so.

Wish it were otherwise.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[merh]

9. No it doesn't

Place as many words in front of it and it is still the same. They are politicans, they can draft the extraordinary conditions.

Geeze, how many compromises have been forgotten, in times of need?

Relax, it is good. Frist lost, the 3 judges are not approved yet (and weren't there 10 on the list that were extreme appointees). The votes will be had, but no guarantee they will get all of the repuke votes.

[merh]

12. 3 of 8 & we keep the filibuster and Frist loses - Half Full my friend!

Okay, so they gave 'em 3 of 8 - seems like pukes lost!

"Negotiators are hoping to craft a deal that would allow some nominees to be confirmed while leaving others behind. One plan would allow final votes on Owen, California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown and former Alabama Attorney General William H. Pryor, as well as Michigan nominees Susan Neilson, Richard Griffin and David McKeague. The nominations of William G. Myers and Henry Saad would remain stuck."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050520/ap_on_go_co/filibuster_fight

Part of Deal
Owen
Brown
Pryor

Not part of deal
Neilson
Griffin
McKeague
Myers
Saad

[understandinglife]

18. What I see is an elegant, simple gotcha. Scenario:

Minority member claims 'extraordinary circumstance.'

Majority leader claims 'not.'

Minority member doesn't back down.

Majority leader calls 'nuclear option' vote based on breach of (faith, understanding, whatever)

No member of the majority (most likely) will defy the ML.

Filibuster dead.

And, Frist now has the above scenario as the only way to save his skanky-ass.

Just an opinion and I'll be delighted if I am incorrect.

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[puebloknot]

26. Dems: Nominate for N. Chamberlain Appeasement Award

Neville Chamberlain believed that compromise at any cost was the way to go, and a lot of people paid with their lives under Hitler.

This very morning, I heard Frist say emphatically that "the nuclear option is *not* off the table," while Senator Reid was (weakly, in my view) insistent that it was a dead issue.

Okay, so these three judges they're about to approve are *only* three. Their extremist views will filter into the mainstream, and real people will suffer loss because of their rulings.

I have little faith that the Dems are prepared to use the filibuster to prevent ascenscion to the Supreme Court of equally extremist judges.

Like you, UL, I hope to be proven wrong!

[understandinglife]

27. Frist ""all options remain on the table," including rewriting the ...

.... Senate rules to ban filibusters against judges."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-23-deal-filibuster_x.htm

DeWine indicated the same within moments of the 'compromise' being announced.

And, in the NYTimes we have:

Dr. Frist and his allies portrayed the agreement as a positive step but noted that it still did not fully meet their requirement that all judicial nominees ultimately receive up-or-down votes. "This agreement announced tonight falls short of that principle," the majority leader said

He said "bad faith and bad behavior" would force him to bring back the nuclear option. (As I indicated in another much derided comment, Frist and the majority have set an elegant trap - the first minority member to claim 'extraordinary circumstances' will be accused of 'acting in bad faith' and, within moments Frist will call the 'nuclear option' vote and blame it on the bad behavior of the minority).

Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the No. 2 Republican, said, "The way I read it, all options are still available with the timing to be determined."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/24/politics/24cnd-judge.html?hp&ex=1116993600&en=bc6f87011187a779&ei=5094&partner=homepage

I do not recall ever wanting to be incorrect about an assessment as I do about this one, but, I also think the remnants of "America" suffered a "Chamberlain" moment yesterday.

We will not begin restoring "America" until we stop negotiating with the criminals of the Bu$h neoconster regime.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

19. Funny how you forgot to mention

how the worst possible nominees will get an "up-or-down" vote in the Republican controlled Senate.

But that couldn't be what this was all about in the first place, could it?

[merh]

28. 2 of the worst will remain stuck, 3 will be voted on and 3 are uncertain

of the future of their nominations. So that is 3 of 8. Then of course we still have the filibuster for the supremes so, he - I see the glass as half full and not half empty or totally drained! :shrug:

[KittyWampus]

5. Go Read The Fucking Document Before Posting This

edit in case some are too .........

Future Nominations. Signatories will exercise their responsibilities under the Advice and Consent Clause of the United States Constitution in good faith. Nominees should only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances, and each signatory must use his or her own discretion and judgment in determining whether such circumstances exist.

[understandinglife]

8. I did. And "Nominees should only be filibustered under extraordinary ...

.... circumstances,..." changes the rules in a way that renders the minority neutered.

Peace.

[kcwayne]

6. Nominee doing anal sex with a mule

vaginal sex is ok. Anal is explicitly forbidden in the Bible.

[Mr_Spock]

11. LMAO - very good :o)

Why didn't I think of that :rofl:

[Mr_Spock]

10. Nominee is a RW nut job

That's all, just no nut jobs.

[KamaAina]

13. Photo of nominee traipsing around campus wearing a swastika armband

At one of our Hawai'i to-DUs out at Da Pond, I was holding forth about how Bush** could probably nominate David Dukkke to the Supreme Court if he wanted to.

One of my partners in crime asked, "But does he have any judicial experience?" My reply: "You really think that'd stop them?"

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. I'll give the senate the benefit of the doubt!

All but the last two! After all, we can trust that everything will be OK, these are wise men, the kind of guys who think occupying Iraq is a great idea.

[patricia92243]

15. Why whatever the Republicns approve as "extradinory circumstances" then we

will have their permission to filibuster.

[understandinglife]

21. Precisely. And, the first Dem to disagree will trigger the nuclear ...

.... landmine planted in the senate, today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3714853&mesg_id=3716060

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[Fleshdancer]

16. We NEED to lower the bar NOW!

I want to hear every issue, every problem, every dispute labeled as an "extraordinary circumstance" from now on until we have hearings on the SC nominee.

If we're going to learn anything from Republicans, it should be extreme melodrama over every tiny little dispute.

[blondeatlast]

17. Other: SCOTUS.

It isn't a Dem win, by any means, but Democracy and the Constitution are breathing a metaphorical sigh of relief...

[Name removed]

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[Guaranteed]

22. It's at the discretion of each Senator. nt

[understandinglife]

25. To be the one to step on the nuclear land mine planted in the Senate ...

.... chamber, today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3714853&mesg_id=3716060

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[CTLawGuy]

23. according to the repugs:

extraordinary circumstances = hell freezing over. No less.

[Zorra]

24. Nominee is dead. n/t