Ok- it's confirmed NPR says Newsweek screwed up -

[clem_c_rock]

Well - guess that wraps it up - now don't it?

The State of Things is treating the story as a screw up on Newsweeks part. NPR jumps right on the Pentagon/White House claims as if they were unarguably true, and in turn, runs a story on "Using anonymous sources in news media".

Once again - the use of the "Incompetence Theory" is employed.

Fuck our media all to hell.

[Pacifist Patriot]

1. Oh wait, you mean that uber-liberal network that...

conservatives have been howling about financially supporting through public funds for years? *rolling eyeballs*

Sigh, sometimes I hate being an optimist. Then I wouldn't be disappointed when I hear things like this.

[rniel]

2. Well if NPR said it it must be true

ha ha ha ha ha

[Tinoire]

3. NPR? With its corporate board dominated by Republicans named by Bush?

..."the corporation's board, which is dominated by Republicans named by President Bush"
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/16/business/media/16radio.html

I think that sentence tells us all we need to know.

And so does this one: "We heard sentiments from the board that they are interested in support of more music"

MUSIC? The Bushies are going to feed us more MUSIC?

[bunkerbuster1]

28. National Petroleum Radio?

old joke, funnier today than when I heard it first some ten years ago.

[The Stranger]

32. Neocon Public Relations

Today, Susan Stanberg does a ten minute masterpiece that would be a textbook example of how to inspire fear in people. The pretense is a high school graduation, but all she asks about (literally) is September 11, and how scared the kids are because of it.

[dbonds]

4. Was it based on unconfirmed documents that someone sent to them.

Wasn't the bar set last year that this deserves an investigation by all the media. Fox news should dedicate days to this. And in the end someone has loose their job.

The difference, last time the story was true just the documents unconfirmed. This time, well... who knows - my guess is story is worse than reported and everything else is a lie.

[Just Me]

5. *raises hand* who were killed at the hands of whom in these protests?

I must be confused.

Were these civilian protestors?
Did the protestors shoot someone?
Who shot the protestors?
What the hell is going on?
Were protests about religious torture at Gitmo?

[Freddie Stubbs]

6. The problem is that Newsweek itself is saying that they screwed up

[forgethell]

7. So anything negative

about the Bush administration mustbe true?? That's not clear thinking. There's plenty they screwed up on, sure, but even so, we should demand evidence before making fools of ourselves.

[dbonds]

8. I think the point is more that anything negative gets squelched.

It is just a bigger fight that everything is censorred or spun into non-existance. Who knows what the truth is anymore. I am to the point where I assume anything reported is a lie and wait for proof for it to be real.

[clem_c_rock]

9. Oh come on - so you actually believe this pathetically transparent attempt

!!!!!?????

I see your point but, if this administration didn't have a track record of lying about practically EVERYTHING on a daily basis, I wouldn't have posted this post. After all the latest reports of treatment of Muslim prisoners all over the world by US, are you really going to sit back and fucking say "Well - let's not jump to conclusions-this time they might actually be telling the truth".

How much more evidence do you need? While you people are sitting back being gullible fools, thousands of people are dying w/ our tax dollars.

It's amazing how people can be told 20 consecutive lies and rabidly defend the 21st story as the truth. Especially when the PNAC are involved.

[forgethell]

12. I not defending anyone.

But just because the boy cried "wolf" 20 times, doesn't mean the wolf didn't finally arrive. Every claim of administration (or anybody else lying) should be considered on it own merits only, IMO.

[clem_c_rock]

13. Merits-Bushco ???!!!! Well - argue w/ this post gullible one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3669550&mesg_id=3669550&page=


Some of us have been actually follow the issues concerning their marits.

I bet their were many folks like you in Nazi Germany just a waiting for the 100th fact to roll in for that "final proof".

[forgethell]

16. And perhaps

there were folks like you who thought Joe Stalin or Pol Pot were only trying to make the world a better place.

Cheez it with the personal insults.

[ElectroPrincess]

17. We didn't make fools of ourselves, we were SET UP

It's a tried and true Roverian ploy. Have government officials assert an atrocity ... Newsweek finds it's, so they believe <wink wink> credible sources - HOWEVER, after that ONE particular news item is broadcast, Uncle KKKarl calls these Government Officials to give the word to *dummy up* and recant.

BINGO - a ready-made "screw the liberal media" GOP shark feeding frenzy.

No, the Corporations own both the Government and the USA Mass Media. We're screwed (liberals and progressive as well as the working and middle class) unless we replace these monsters with HONEST government representatives.

Our Only Hope: Democrats win BIG in The 2006 Election. However, I'm getting this sinking feeling that it's only when our jobs are lost and people suffer that the propaganda spewed over the air waves 24/7 will not resonate with the masses.

People are easily led by sensationalism, fear and hatred. Love and compassion must be nurtured to grow strong. It's just tragic for all honest, hard working Americans. Hunker down for years, if not decades of misery and corporate control of seemingly every aspect of our lives.

[forgethell]

19. Fool me

once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. How many times is it now that Karl Rove has set us up? Why do we always fall for it. Perhaps it's because we are so eager to believe the worst of George Bush that we will swallow anything at all. Irrational hatred at work. There's plenty of legitimate stuff to criticize Bush for. That's why I keep advocating looking at each case on the evidence, not automatically assuming it's a lie just because an administration official said it. Even the worst liars tell the truth when it suits their purposes.

So if we keep falling for these things, are we fools??

[ElectroPrincess]

20. It has "Koran Flushing" been confirmed by other sources ...

WARNING! <think of the robot on "lost in space" going bonkers with his slinky arms, lol> You are repeating a Right Wing talking point!

It's the TRUTH not "lies" emanating from Bush Hating democratic liberal media. Although I will give you that it's difficult to find any saving graces of thoughtfulness and compassion from this corporate loving Administration.

I've gone beyond HATE into DEEP REGRET at the seemingly gullible average American. It's just SAD because we have NO control over the Corporate Media.

[forgethell]

31. I guess what I'm saying is

why do the media, why do the Democrats, why do progressives of all stripes, keep falling into Karl Rove's little traps?

[Czolgosz]

21. The point is NOT that anything negative about Bush must be true.

The point is that Bush blames Newsweek for its recent story about US interrogators at Guantanamo flushing the Koran down the toilet to intimidate and break Islamic detainees (held without charge or right to counsel). Why blame Newsweek for its not-very-timely coverage of a story that was previously reported by

The Denver Post on January 9, 2005,
Herald Sun (Melbourne, Australia) on January 3, 2005,
Financial Times (London, England) on October 28, 2004,
USA Today on October 18, 2004,
Daily News (New York) on August 5, 2004,
The Independent (London) on August 5, 2004,
The San Francisco Chronicle on June 20, 2004,
The Observer on May 16, 2004,
The Guardian (London) on May 14, 2004,
The Observer on March 14, 2004, and
The Washington Post on March 26, 2003?

So, what's Bush's real agenda and why is MSM pushing it so hard?

[forgethell]

22. Perhaps because

17 people have died? Or is that of any interest?

[Czolgosz]

23. Just because the Bush administration says that 17 people died because of

the Newsweek article, that doesn't mean you have to close your mind to the consideration of other probabilities. Don't you agree that since the "Koran flushing" story has been widely reported in the US and the UK since 2003 and VERY WIDELY reported in the Middle East militates against the implication that Newsweek's story was the cause of those 17 deaths? Also, check Newsweek's retraction carefully. It is only one source which will no longer vouch for personal knowledge of one statement within the larger story. Newsweek is crumbling out of gutlessness in the wake of "Rather-gate," but then Newsweek has been a slightly glitzed up version of People magazine for years and not a secure repository for journalism.

[redqueen]

25. General Myers hmiself said these riots weren't becaue of that article.

This whole issue is "Summer of the Shark" all over again.

How many prisoners have died in US custody? Why wouldn't they riot over that?

Think!

[Czolgosz]

26. Exactly. There must be some agenda behind linking the Newsweek

story with the deaths because it simply doesn't make sense as General Myers acknowledged.

[forgethell]

27. I haven't closed

my mind to anything. Especially facts.

[bpilgrim]

30. there is plenty of evidence that the criminals REFUSE to acknowledge

and, NO, just because the CRIMINALS haven't said so doesn't mean that they are innocent of their crimes.

these FREAKS are torturing CHILDREN in front of their MOTHERS, hello...


http://news.globalfreepress.com

peace

[Generator]

10. One word: Curveball

[clem_c_rock]

11. kick

[Ilsa]

14. There are days when NPR/Morning Edition is tolerable.

And there are days when it should be shut off. Today was a day to turn it off.

[katinmn]

15. By caving in, Newsweek just made the fascists stronger.

They have NO integrity. Newsweek should be flushed down the toilet.

[Ganja Ninja]

18. And by the way, it was done deliberately by the liberals at ...

Newsweek! That's what the freepers are saying. :tinfoilhat: :banghead:

[redqueen]

24. The Pentagon had 11 days to verify this story.

If they had a problem with it, they could've said.

I'm not at all surprised that NPR is jumping on the bandwagon... let's all blame the journalist! Let's fire him!

Meanwhile Rummy and Condi screw up regularly, and get promoted!

Give us a break.

:eyes:

[oasis]

29. NPR/PBS get no more donations from me. They are manipulated by the right.

Let the neocon/fascists fund their own mouthpieces.

[Hugin]

33. *yawn*

<blink, blink>

*Makes note to self: Diversion successful.*

Lord help us if they ever see this.

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/

<nods off again>