Tinfoil hat time: Fingerprint Replacing Debit Cards

[funflower]

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=205021

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How would you like to buy groceries of gasoline without needing a cash, check or debit card? Now all you’ll need is your index finger!

It's just part of life. Swing by the gas station, run into the convenience store, pick up something to eat and drink, plop down a few bucks, or swipe the debit card, and be on our way. But at Mike's Combo Shop in Provo and Spanish Fork your index finger will do either one

Biopay, a company based in Virginia, has developed this system to simplify paying for stuff. It reads the fingerprint then debits your checking account.

The device prompts you to place your finger on the reader. Store owner Mike Kelson, and manager Dave Wiscombe installed the system in February, it’s the first one in Utah. They have 2,000 customers using it. Across the nation there are 1,000 merchants online, with nearly 2-million customers participating.

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[Must_B_Free]

1. i'd prefer a two eye retinal scan

[bennywhale]

6. I think i'd just prefer a bar code in my head

then they can fucking scan me and read how much money i have in the bank. Furthermore i wish to be fitted with a tracking chip linked to a government database, then i'll feel really safe and free.

[funflower]

10. Right on. And be sure my kids get all that stuff, too.

So our great and glorious leaders can defend them against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

:sarcasm:

[ikojo]

2. The rapture crowd will love this! nt

[yella_dawg]

3. I prefer folding green.

Fuck that stuff.

[Egalitariat]

12. Luckily, folding green will likely never go away****

nm

[The Straight Story]

13. It will eventually

I think plans are in the works already...

[DrDebug]

32. They tried it many times

But cash will always be an option, since it's the easiest and best way to make a payment. There's no practical alternative especially for the smaller amounts. Neither customers nor retailers want electronic systems for small payments since electronic systems always charge you and the smaller the amount the more expensive it will become.

As far as this stuff goes, I would never trust such a system. Just think of the fraud possibilities with a system like that. And as a users you can't proof anything because there's no signature or any other check. And what if you have a cut over your finger?

[Book Lover]

4. Bad & Good

I mean, your finger will work even if it is no longer attached to your arm. On the other hand, no card to lose...

[Sparkly]

5. It's not stealable, so it prevents identity theft.

I'd prefer this or iris detection technology or something to forgable, stealable cards, ID numbers, etc.

[bennywhale]

8. Fuck identity theft these are the first steps

to a totalitarian society of complete monitoring of all aspects of your life.

We are sleepwalking into a nightmare people.

[Sparkly]

9. Explain that to me.

I'm not sure what the fear is. They can already monitor your income, non-cash expenditures, travel, etc... We have cards and numbers to identify everything about us. I'm not sure why this is any scarier.

[funflower]

11. It's scarier because

it could lead to a world where you can't go anywhere or do anything without being identified by an unfoolable (and also reprogrammable) system. Basically, we are safer in a world where being a dissident is possible. Biometrics could make it impossible to do anything without the scrutiny (and therefore control) of whomever is running the machine.

It's all about a slippery slope, and we are already quite a way down it.

[Sparkly]

14. But there's already a machine, isn't there?

It's just an inaccurate one. Outside of cash transactions, there's little we can do anyway without the scrutiny of the government, is there? I'm not sure how this would make anything different, except in accuracy.

[Samurai_Writer]

35. It's like Minority Report

"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."

[Fifth of Five]

37. Yep..

Once something is in digital form, it is ripe for abuse. It can be copied, or corrupted.

Not only could it be used to track you. It could be used to fake evidence against you.

[bennywhale]

17. Right so

"they can already monitor your income, cash expenditure..we have cards and numbers to identify everything about us" So lots just go the whole way and start fingerprinting everybody buying groceries. EH?

I'm already in jail so you might as well put me in solitary.

If they already know everything about you would you be happy to where a "tag" round your ankle or wrist with a tracking device in it i don't know why that would be any scarier.

[w13rd0]

20. As someone who has worked with biometrics...

...I am EXTREMELY uncomfortable with this. There are SO MANY ways to foil a "fingerprint" ATM. Not just to defraud it, but to just f'k it up. And, in a public space, the device would have to be cleaned more frequently than a public bathroom. Take a little cooking grease, and smear it across that reader, and Stan becomes Sandy.

[ragin_acadian]

23. not stealable?

it took the police a month to get to the bottom of the wendy's one digit menu, and now lawyers are dueling over too many fingers in the custard.

shit, if they pass a fingerprint bank debit system, i will immediately go to work in a morgue....i could retire in 65 days, to hell with 65 years.

[northstar]

27. I dunno, about 'not stealable'

remember the finger in the Wendy's chili? ;-)

[Occulus]

30. oh I'm pretty sure this fingerprint scanning thing could be defeated

a little GHB in a drink at a bar, a quick pop home, take an impression of the finger....


Nah, I don't much like this. I'll just swipe my card, thanks.

[chlamor]

7. It's not tinfoil

It is the natural process of control.


Capitalism is Fascism, just a bit more layered.

[AntiCoup2K4]

15. I can't believe they're doing this in Utah, of all places!

Don't those Mormons read the Bible anymore??

From Revelation 13
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

[funflower]

24. Those are the bar codes they're going to imprint us with any day now.

;)

[demgurl]

16. The government has enough info about me anyway.

And I am sorry but I refuse to trust people who can rig things such as elections or reasons for war. They have already proven they can not be trusted with machines but they expect me to trust them with my money and thumbprint? I think not.

[Peregrine]

18. What if there was no fingerprint in a database

When I was with Raytheon, we developed a system where your fingerprint was encoded and encrypted into a smartcard. You would have to place your card into a reader and put your finger on a print scanner. The system would read the scanner convert you fingerprint into an algorithm and compare that to what was on the card in the reader. If they both matched, you were good. There was no record of your fingerprint (or algorithm) in the database.

Another neat thing they were working on was using IR patterns to identify an individual (it "sees" through disguises). There are systems to do this already up close, but none that work in uncontrolled areas (outside) and they had gotten it to work at 300m.

[funflower]

26. Hmmm. Interesting. Have to think that one through.

[nedbal]

29. every workday I pass through a variation of your system

while I use a card proximity scanner and a bio print reader to enter, the card also has a smart chip with my data on it, they don't have any current use for the smart chip , actually I'm not sure if there is any data in the chip

[Skip Intro]

19. Just came from (SC) store where its done - pamphlet in my bag (& link)

Just came from the Piggly Wiggly in Charleston, SC. All registers equipped with the terminals. They're pushing it. Here's the website that was listed in that pamphlet:

www.paybytouch.com

[demgurl]

21. One more thought.

I guess this is why the man lost his thumb in the chili at Wendy's? I assume they only had these machines and he had lost his thumb in an accident and ergo he had to carry it around with him?

[joneschick]

22. ewwwwwwww! eom

[jayctravis]

25. I like that you can change a card number if it's stolen.

Fingerprints not so much.

[northstar]

28. How many of you have had to use your fingerprint to get a tan?

That floored me when I went into the tanning place and they wanted me to scan my fingerprint (so that nobody else could come use my tanning sessions.....yeah riiiiiiiiight). I turned and left, but it just really really bothered me that they would ask - and that all the other patrons to this place (it's a franchise), must actually allow them to scan them!

[Ian David]

31. Here's one for the rapture crowd...

Imagine that Medicare, Medicaid, social security and welfare are gone. You can't declare bankruptcy anymore and there is no consumer credit protections. You can't even get a Pell Grant for college anymore. And the economy tanks.

There are then only two "safety" nets left:

1) Join the Army
2) Government-Sponsored Faith-based charities

These faith-based charities already have pretty much free reign to proselytize and discriminate as they see fit, even if they receive government funds. Faith-based job training programs are even allowed to turn away non-Christians.

So, if you want assistance from one of these charities, you have to pledge allegiance to THEIR God-- the President's God-- and denounce your own.

And how will you prove your allegiance to The Official God of The State?

A mark on your forehead and a microchip in your hand.

Welcome to The Endtimes, boys and girls!

And guess who would be The Antichrist in that scenario?

[funflower]

39. Sounds like life in certain middle-eastern dictatorships.

[sweetheart]

33. Gosh, what does it do when you forget the PIN number?

Does it keep your finger and return it to the bank? ;-)

You know, in the old days of the country shop, your account was credited
by the cashier based on personal recognition. The nearby shop to me
here, has a similar policy. If i forget my wallet, they'll credit me
and i'll pay when i've cash. This is just a computerized version that
allows a similar service to a larger community of people.

I frankly wouldn't mind not having to carry credit cards about.

I guess i won't care when i'm dead, and somebody cuts off my finger
and goes on a spending spree.

[devinsgram]

34. For all those of you who are too young to remember Phil Donahue

About 1989, when he was still on the air with his morning show, he did a show with a gentleman who predicted all of what is happening right now. He said there would come a time when only one or two banks would control all the money in this country and what you have posted would be common place. A micro chip would be placed in your hand and if would have all the information about you in it. No tinfoil hat, with the national ID card we are well underway.

[CornField]

36. I guess that will stop fingers showing up in the chili

I wonder how many folks will be found dead with their index fingers missing?

[bushcrab]

38. Yeah, now thieves will be stealing fingers!

I'd prefer a fashionable bar code tatto on my bare ass myself, as it would be much harder to steal.