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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 04:37 PM
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MNA 1630: Day 3 of MissionNOTAccomplished is 21 deaths away
In the past few hours, we received an update that the number of American soldier deaths since Bu$h's illegal war began went from 1605 to 1609.

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties /

1608 deaths triggers 'Day 2 of MissionNOTAccomplished' -- the next 24 hours are dedicated to that purpose.

Day 3 of MissionNOTAccomplished will be triggered when we reach, tragically, a total of 1630, in keeping with the way we are memorializing the day that Bu$h commenced his illegal war -- March 19th (3 + 19 = 22)

Please focus, everyone, on what that means; what the nature of the "3 + 19 = 22" metric is.

These are lives.

Lives that will never live again.

Never hug.

Never shrug.

Never drink a beer.

Never read a poem.

Never breath another scent of a flower.

Never hear a dog bark; a child laugh.

Never.

Never.

Never.

And, It is all because of lies and the lying fristian neoconsters and their gutless Bu$h that they will die.


What is the message of MissionNOTAccomplished?

It is simple and peaceful.

Please spend the next 24 hours doing two things:

1. STOP doing anything you typically would do;

2. Contact at least 10 people and urge them to follow your example and do both # 1 and # 2.

Thank you DU.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - STOP THE ATROCITIES; INDICT AND PROSECUTE BU$H AND ALL THE OTHER WAR CRIMINALS


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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 04:49 PM
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 04:50 PM
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2. .....



www.missionnotaccomplished.us - STOP THE ATROCITIES; INDICT AND PROSECUTE BU$H AND ALL THE OTHER WAR CRIMINALS




These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
snip------

http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html
The pictures you will find on the bottom of the page are shocking, so please be warned and prepare yourself it you have not seen babies with these deformities before...
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:08 PM
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3. Let's us by our actions bring about Peace
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:01 PM
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43. yes
solidarity


"You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html


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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:50 AM
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86. your presence and support, through many days now
:pals: :hug: DearAbby :hug: :pals:

peace

ana :hi:
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:08 PM
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4. "grass, dust, crow"
W A R


Old age in the towns.
The heart without an owner.
Love without any object.
Grass, dust, crow.
And the young ones?

In the coffins.

The tree alone and dry.
Women like a stick
of widowhood across the bed.
Hatred there is no cure for.
And the young ones?

In the coffins.



- MIGUEL HERNANDEZ
translated by Hardie St. Martin

from _The Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart_
Robert Bly, James Hillman, and Michael Meade, Editors
(HarperCollins Publishers, 1992, First Edition)
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:42 PM
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5. .......
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:26 PM
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6. "...a slouching dwarf with rainwater eyes..."
THE MAN FROM WASHINGTON



The end came easy for most of us.

Packed away in our crude beginnings

in some far corner of a flat world,

we didn't expect much more

than firewood and buffalo robes

to keep us warm. The man came down,

a slouching dwarf with rainwater eyes,

and spoke to us. He promised

that life would go on as usual,

that treaties would be signed, and everyone --

man, woman and child -- would be inoculated

against a world in which we had no part,

a world of money, promise and disease.




- JAMES WELCH


from _The Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart_
Robert Bly, James Hillman, and Michael Meade, Editors
HarperCollins Publishers, 1992, First Edition
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:49 PM
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 08:01 PM
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8. Anthem for Doomed Youth, Wilfred Owen
Anthem for Doomed Youth

What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
-Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle
Can patter out their hasty orisons.
No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells;
Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs,-
The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;
And bugles calling for them from sad shires.


What candles may be held to speed them all?
Not in the hands of boys but in their eyes
Shall shine the holy glimmers of good-byes.
The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall;
Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,
And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds

Wilfred Owen, World War I Poet
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 08:23 PM
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 08:19 PM
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9. "Mahatma Gandhi brought a new dimension into our lives."
Mahatma Gandhi brought a new dimension into our lives. When he spoke of nonviolence, he meant not merely the avoidance of violent action but cleansing our hearts of hatred and bittereness. He unveiled the spiritual political power of illiterate and humble have-nots and pointed out that the only programmes worth preaching were those which could be translated into action. He said that every decision and programme should be judged from the viewpoint of the poorest and the weakest.

Indira Gandhi


With MNA we do not walk, for a month, to the sea to recover a grain of salt.

With MNA we do not, as Rosa Parks did, deny her seat on the bus to a white man.

With MNA we simply withdraw for a day from whatever would be typical for each of us, and we encourage at least 10 others to do the same.

We repeat MNA, in honor of all those who have died in Bu$h's illegal war, each time 22 more die.

We persist MNA until the illegal occupation of Iraq ends.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:45 PM
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24. Mahatma Gandhi on "The Roots of Violence"
Wealth without work,

Pleasure without conscience,

Knowledge without character,

Commerce without morality,

Science without humanity,

Worship without sacrifice,

Politics without principles.


- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 08:19 PM
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10. Sabbatical
Sabbatical

I want to curl like an unborn child in its mother's womb,
And close my ears to arias of pain, recitals of wounding
and dying.

I want to hear a single voice inquiring,
"And *your* life, does it bring you joy?"

My answer drops like a stone into deep water:
"Joy has found her winter cave."

And God turns in his sleep,
Dreaming a world that needs less tending.

Judy Barrett, Copyright 2004
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:51 PM
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12. .........
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:11 AM
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13. here the writing stops, where memory endures
Lines begun for a young Lebanese friend, a medical student here in the U.S. in 1979, who was also a traumatized convert to absolute pacifism. Written initially from his stories of home, youth, family, joy, faith; and from his unrelenting, tormented memories of his native country's civil war, in which he had lost many friends and relatives; and witnessed the death of his best friend and beloved younger brother ("the boy/come home from his year/in Paris").

Lines rewritten through far too many years.

Wherever you may be tonight, Emil, my brother of Lebanon,
I remember still.


JOURNEY TO THE END OF THE NIGHT


"The greatest defeat, in anything,
is to forget, and above all, to forget
what it is that has smashed you."

- Celine


Tell me again
how the young men of Lebanon
drink and sing, laughing
far into the night;
how your father leans
in the doorway,
watching

and tell me
how you laughed at Hemingway,
leaning back
in your best American accent,
quizzing your friends in his
leveling tongue, Tell us
about the French women, Hank


and about the boy
come home from his year
in Paris, wearing his innocence
like a shroud.
Behind him
your father smiles
a serious smile, mocking

Hemingway or daring
God. And Hank is killed
at the end of that winter
where your mother's beads tell
the same story over
and over until you can hear
nothing beyond

her decades of bone, your father's
footsteps leaving your room, his bitter
gift in your hands, that copy
of Celine. "Question everything."
Hold these hands now, and tell me
how thinly the gunner's rage
answers the belling song

of grief.
How the swept bodies
shore the mass
of centuries, rising
continent of nothing,
out of night
repeating its drunken toll

of youth, and home --
how telling fails, as prayers
offend the alien ear,
and prophecy damns
its prophets, deafened
by false gods jealous
as guns, and bloodier. Tell

how you long to sleep, waking
from your exile's watch, the desert
where nations squat like orphans
and "heroes" hunt the traitorous
laughing ghosts
of boys. How old
are the French women, Hank?


Terror, you tell me,
doesn't state its age
or origins. But force raw
memory, or a woman's eyes,
to yield what mockery
hates and innocence hides,
and terror will name you

its bastard, and leave you
exposed. Remember the children
who never cried. The shamed
daughters. The motherless
boys and their sisters unfolding, red
flowers. The broken thighs of the old men,
naked, cursed as Job.


- ana/a.w.m.
1979, 1981, 1983, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1994, 1998, 2001
11 May 2005




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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:27 AM
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14. So beautiful....
....and this sad vignette, frozen in time by your writing, is a tribute to someone who clearly touched you so that even now, years later, his life resonates with yours.

Years ago, a young 14-year-old Iranian boy lived with my daughter and me for about a year. His father sent him to the U.S. to avoid his being caught up in the war with Iraq. He told us tales of coming home from school to see workmen washing blood from the stairwell where, that morning, someone had been shot. He was afraid to go across the street to the park by himself. He was nervous about catching the school bus. He did not want to leave my side and go up to his room at night. He was full of jokes and false bravado. He was trying to be a man much too soon.

War is such a vile thing. This was a beautiful boy....Andre. Wherever he is, I hope that his dreams are more peaceful now.

Mission Not Accomplished until this story stops giving birth to itself.
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 07:16 PM
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25. "Mission Not Accomplished until this story stops giving birth to itself."
Thank you, once again, for your sheer lightning-quick comprehension.

And thank you for your story of Andre. The parallels are striking.

Knowing Emil, my Lebanese friend, was the single clear experience which deepened my youthful, sincere, but still rather naive, or immature, pacifism into a core awareness which has shaped my politics ever since.

I find myself wondering how many of us may have had similar experiences over the years - the opportunity of acquaintance or friendship, or even of the chance brief hospitality offered, to survivors of war who are not Americans.

Individuals who experienced within their own countries the horrors of wars wherein the policies of the U.S. Government -- directly or indirectly, overtly or covertly -- motivated, caused, funded, trained, weaponized, manipulated, maintained, fostered, fomented, sustained, directed, and most of all, profited its true masters, cronies both domestic and international, and its obscenely-arrogant multi-generational and thinly-veiled family empires at the expense of uncountable, nameless, faceless civilians in dozens (at the least) of sovereign nations outside our borders.

Your poem "Sabbatical" (above), puebloknot, is so very fine, in every respect. Thank you so much for sharing it with us here.

Please, whatever other commitments you are sustaining and attending, by all means: Write On!!! We need your voice and your vision!

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 07:58 PM
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28. Truth, that.
Truth cannot be defined with words, only by living.
Truth is always more than knowledge.
Knowledge pertains to things observed,
but truth transcends such purely material levels
in that it consorts with wisdom and embraces
such imponderables as human experience,
even spiritual and living realities.
Revealed truth, personally discovered truth,
is the supreme delight of the human soul;
it is the joint creation of the material mind and the indwelling spirit.
But truth can never become man's possession without the exercise of faith.
Faith is the inspiration of the spritzed creative imagination.
Faith acts to release the superhuman activities of the divine spark,
the immortal germ, that lives within the mind of man,
and which is the potential of eternal survival.

The Urantia Book -- Part IV. The Life And Teachings Of Jesus

Kerry on.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:26 AM
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33. Truth, indeed
Thank you.

Are you really a farmer? Of the earth, as well as of the mind?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 03:02 PM
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35. In residence, spirit, heritage, Independence and stubbornness only.
Edited on Thu May-12-05 03:04 PM by btmlndfrmr
I did live on a bottom land farm, no longer, now I live on a ridge, on another farm ...next to an ancient place You would consider, holy.

The "handle" of btmlndfrmr...pays tribute one who does much with little. I "Use-tah be a Pixel farmer " corralling color in CIELAB. I rode herd on "cats. My skills lie in work-flow and production. Print, performance, film... they are similar cups of tea for me. I am Production manager, producer, artist, carpenter, performer, shcmoozer most things blue collar, and like you an army brat.

This is a comfortable thread . My words are sincere I hope they fit in. Please let me know otherwise
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 04:37 PM
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37. Farmers are....
....good folks. I come from a long line of them, until my father's generation, when he and many others left the farm to fight the SEcond World War.

Holy Place? Care to say where it is?

I guess it's appropriate for us to get acquainted when we're new, as I am, without wrecking a thread. I'm a trainer/editor in the court reporting field, marketing my own on-line training program in PowerPoint/Flash.

In my heart, I'm a writer/artist, not to mention cook and ardent knitter! Oh, and German Shepherd lover. I have two, Meg and Max. Oh, yes, and a daughter, Jen, who is an artist (and writer, cook, ardent knitter, and German Shepherd lover). She does have her own interests, as well. :)
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:47 PM
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45.  West of Aztalan
Edited on Fri May-13-05 04:49 PM by btmlndfrmr
close to the mouth of the Wisconsin River

http://www.wcwcw.com/feature79.htm

...a good place for croquet too.

The cats and I thank you again for your kind words.

Food is love.


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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 04:58 PM
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55. Beautiful rock formations
Thanks for a few moments in the great outdoors, and for a beautiful poem.

The Ojibwe people did (do?) magnificent beadwork.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:36 AM
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34. I am grateful
"Write On!!! We need your voice and your vision!"

Your support is so valuable. Thank you. Nothing makes me feel whole like writing, a sacred task I've put on a shelf for far too long.

In a strange way, I'm "thankful" for Pearl Harbor. That event took my father into the military, where he stayed for 35 years. We lived in Germany and in Korea (just before the war; evacuated from there because of the growing tension), and I had an opportunity to *see* and interact with people outside of America. And my time with them was when they were under the worst kind of stress -- events leading up to a war; the trauma remaining after a war. The best school I ever attended! You can't look people from other parts of the world in the eye and find it easy to diminish their value and their humanity.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:52 AM
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17. ...
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 09:45 AM
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15. MNA 1630: Day 3 now only 20 deaths away.
American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1610
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties /

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:01 AM
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16. An apt Boer War poem by William Plomer:
The whip-crack of a Union Jack
In a stiff breeze (the ship will roll),
Deft abracadabra drums
Enchant the patriotic soul-

A grandsire in St James's Street
Sat at the window of his club,
His second son, shot through the throat,
Slid backwards down a slope of scrub,

Gargled his last breaths, one by one by one,
In too much blood, too young to spill,
Died difficultly, drop by drop by drop-
'By your son's courage, sir, we took the hill.'

They took the hill (Whose hill? What for?)
But what a climb they left to do!
Out of that bungled, unwise war
An alp of unforgiveness grew.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:22 PM
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20. Unforgiveness
"Out of that bungled, unwise war
An alp of unforgiveness grew."

I fear that we will bear the burden of such unforgiveness for a long time into the future.


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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 11:02 AM
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18. "But I do predict that 2005 will be a year of enlightenment for all of us.
... We'll know and understand more about the mess George W. Bush has wrought ....

More from Bill Gallagher -- written on Dec 28 2004 -- here's the link:

http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/gallagher195.html

And, here's a bit more from an article that should win him a Pulitzer:

....Condoleezza Rice presents another portrait of easy confirmation. Forget that she ignored a specific warning that Osama bin Laden was planning to use airplanes to attack the United States. She will glibly defend the whole episode as misinterpretations about what the word "threat" meant. She will talk for days and say nothing.

A handful of senators might ask her a few tough questions. In the end, they will simply roll over.

<snip>

But Bush wants Condi nearby. In his world, personal convenience always looms larger than world issues. She, too, should not be confirmed. Her national security failures and her fabrications about Iraq and Saddam should make her political toast. But the Democratic wimps in the Senate will rescue her from the grill.

<snip>

We have, as they say in Texas, a president who is "all hat and no cattle." He ain't gonna tell the real truth. He'll just swag and brag and "pray" for a good year to come. I worry about an unending war and the suffering it will cause, the desecration of our environment, a tidal wave of national debt and the fate of millions of Americans who don't have jobs.




www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:14 PM
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19. Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or ....
.... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join.

On that glorious day America will have begun truly to be "America."


Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us


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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 05:05 PM
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21. together
"You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html








These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 07:56 PM
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27. Steven Newcomb: "On matriotism and patriotism"
Hiley, thanks so much for the link to the Gandhi Project.

Here's a site I visit often - maybe of interest to you & others here:

http://www.indiancountry.com /


In particular, an article there by Steven Newcomb of The Indigenous Law Institute, 4/28/05:

http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096410846




Steven Newcomb writes:


After the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon on September 11, 2001, millions of Americans became more fervent in their patriotism toward the United States. In this era of the Patriot Act, those who dare to question ''patriotism'' are made to feel that they may be ''treading on thin ice.'' One American Indian leader even suggested that you can tell who a ''real'' Indian is because a ''real'' Indian is patriotic toward the United States.

This made me wonder about my own thoughts on patriotism. After considerable reflection, I have decided that because of my spiritual beliefs, and because of all that our Native ancestors have suffered at the hands of the United States, I consider myself to be a ''matriot.'' A matriot is someone who loves, is loyal to, and promotes the interests of Mother Earth. I consider myself deeply matriotic.

Matriotism is based on an appreciation of the fact that the source of life, air, food, and water and our very existence is Mother Earth, not the political construct known as the United States. When people talk about ''a country'' in relation to ''patriotism,'' they are talking about a political entity, not the Earth.

Matriotism and patriotism are worlds apart, as revealed by etymology. Mater (from which ''matriotism'' is derived) is the Latin word for ''mother,'' a term that means ''a woman who has given birth to a child.'' Matriotism, like motherhood, suggests nurturing, warmth, affection, closeness or ''one to whom a filial affection and respect are due.'' A mother is also ''one that has produced or nurtured something; source.''


Greatly worthwhile reading in its entirety; continued at
http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096410846






Thanks again for all you share with us, Hiley! Helps me no end.
(In my bookmarks there's a folder named "HILEY FINDS" :-))
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 01:54 PM
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51. you are something else girl !
I cherish your friendship and love.
Hiley finds, what a kick...


"Matriotism is based on an appreciation of the fact that the source of life, air, food, and water and our very existence is Mother Earth, not the political construct known as the United States. When people talk about ''a country'' in relation to ''patriotism,'' they are talking about a political entity, not the Earth."

Mother Earth is far more important than a political entity....
thank you savannahana

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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 11:59 PM
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80. you inspire me, every day
:patriot: :hug: hiley :hug: :patriot:

"hiley finds" just keeps on growing, thanks to you :-)
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:31 PM
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22. "This thin-lipped king with his helmeted head..."
TO PRESIDENT BUSH
AT THE START OF THE GULF WAR



This thin-lipped king with his helmeted head
Remembers the quirky fits of light
That tempt the cobra. No, the temper of the dove
Does not fit him; and nothing in the world
Can bring him to bless. He will not feed,
Nourish or help; and his rabbity hand
Lifted in the fading light of the hemlocks
Waves to them, gestures to the young to die.


- ROBERT BLY



from _The Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart_
Robert Bly, James Hillman, and Michael Meade, Editors
HarperCollins Publishers, 1992, First Edition
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:34 PM
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23. ...........
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 07:43 PM
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26. "The Circus of the animals"
Edited on Wed May-11-05 08:05 PM by btmlndfrmr
Now that my ladders gone
I must lie down where all the ladders start
In the foul rag and bone shop of the heart.

Cyclic.
Lost innocence.
Time heals.

...researching Yeats. (a an uncommon chore for the farmer) , danced over this

The Wind, One Brilliant Day

The wind, one brilliant day, called
To my soul with an odor of jasmine.
"In return for the odor of my jasmine,
I'd like all the odor of your roses."
"I have no roses; all the flowers
In my garden are dead."
"Well then, I'll take the withered petals
And the yellow leaves and the waters of the fountain."
The wind left. And I wept. And I said to myself:
"What have you done with the garden that was entrusted to you?"
Antonio Machado

..Segue

Where have all the flowers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone?
Girls have picked them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the young girls gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young girls gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young girls gone?
Taken husbands every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the young men gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young men gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young men gone?
Gone for soldiers every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the soldiers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Gone to graveyards every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the graveyards gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Covered with flowers every one
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?

Pete Seger

http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/parton/2/where.html

...people started not coming home from Viet Nam, my sister's 45RPM on the blue and white player... goin' round and round.

Cyclic.
Lost innocence.
Time heals.
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 11:14 PM
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78. with thanks for the Yeats, the Machado, the Seger
these lines of Yeats struck me, reading your posts
(again, please accept belated thanks, & for the beautiful rock formations, too)


from his "Meditations in Time of Civil War"


211

The Stare's Nest by My Window


The bees build in the crevices
Of loosening masonry, and there
The mother birds bring grubs and flies.
My wall is loosening; honey-bees,
Come build in the empty house of the stare.

We are closed in, and the key is turned
On our uncertainty; somewhere
A man is killed, or a house burned,
Yet no clear fact to be discerned:
Come build in the empty house of the stare.

A barricade of stone or of wood;
Some fourteen days of civil war;
Last night they trundled down the road
That dead young soldier in his blood:
Come build in the empty house of the stare.

We had fed the heart on fantasies,
The heart's grown brutal from the fare;
More substance in our enmities
Than in our love; O honey-bees,
Come build in the empty house of the stare.

- William Butler Yeats
from _The Collected Works: Volume I: The Poems_
edited by Richard J. Finneran; Scriber; Second Edition, 1997



hoping you will write more, farmer, of:

"...people started not coming home from Viet Nam, my sister's 45RPM on the blue and white player... goin' round and round.

Cyclic.
Lost innocence.
Time heals."


peace,
ana
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 09:03 PM
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29. How about MNA inspires "Truth Tour, America"?
Edited on Wed May-11-05 09:05 PM by understandinglife
What is needed, now, is motivation and highly visible motivators.

As to motivation: The 23 July 2002 British classified memo on Bu$h's intentions to make war on Iraq, no-matter-what, is sufficient grounds to launch an all out mobilization of American citizens to remove Bu$h and all the other criminals from office.

As to motivators: Just imagine Valerie Plame, Sibel Edmonds, Sharon Stone, Julia Roberts, Jennifer Aniston and Kirsten Dunst, (and ????), announcing that they will participate in the nation-wide "Truth Tour, America" - an unrelenting campaign of telling the truth to Americans. Individuals not running for office, exquisitely eloquent, and totally appalled with the lies and atrocities of Bu$h and his neoconster buddies.

Plenty of folk with $$$ would likely finance that tour and plenty of folk would attend.

Time to do this peacefully is diminishing daily -- all the more motivation for folk to get to it, immediately.

Plenty of motivating images exist, but I think this one could be the 'icon' for the tour:



Think about it.

Maybe someone reading this has the influence to offer the suggestion to one or more of the folk listed above -- maybe someone like Gore Vidal or Elizabeth Edwards or any one of you (other) fantastic DUers!

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day America will have begun truly to be "America," again.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 09:18 PM
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30. CNN: "Bush asked to explain UK war memo" -- Leverage it!
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Eighty-nine Democratic members of the U.S. Congress last week sent President George W. Bush a letter asking for explanation of a secret British memo that said "intelligence and facts were being fixed" to support the Iraq war in mid-2002 -- well before the president brought the issue to Congress for approval.

The Times of London newspaper published the memo -- actually minutes of a high-level meeting on Iraq held July 23, 2002 -- on May 1.

British officials did not dispute the document's authenticity, and Michael Boyce, then Britain's Chief of Defense Staff, told the paper that Britain had not then made a decision to follow the United States to war, but it would have been "irresponsible" not to prepare for the possibility.

The White House has not yet responded to queries about the congressional letter, which was released on May 6.

(more at the link):

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/britain.war.memo/index...


Spread it.

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:23 AM
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32. Yes, to Powers of Ten
"love is a place
& through this place of
love move
(with brightness of peace)
all places

yes is a world
& in this world of
yes live
(skilfully curled)
all worlds"

e.e. cummings

*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
"(and ????)":

Willie Nelson
Bright Eyes ("When the President Talks to God")
James Cromwell
Danny Glover
Hector Elizondo
Peter Yarrow (Peter, Paul, and Mary)
Patch Adams
Ani DiFranco
Howard Zinn
Maryanne Williamson
Mimi Kennedy
and.........a guy named William Rivers Pitt!

The above people supported Dennis Kucinich, made testimonial recordings, appeared at concerts. Perhaps they would join in such a national tour.

I can barely stay in my skin tonight at such a thought as this tour because I agree that we need to be active in the world, in a non-violent way, to make the sleeping citizens of America aware of what their government is doing to *them*, as well as to the citizens of the world. The leaked memo needs to be prominently displayed, the way they displayed the Liberty Bell on its tour when I was eight years old!

Yes, we need to be "matriots" (thank you SavanahAna, et al.) and to be story-tellers, reminding people of our history (thank you, Mr. Zinn), and offering them a vision beyond our present trauma. First, the people need incontrovertible evidence of their government's lack of integrity -- the memo.

Big oaks from little acorns grow.



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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 03:03 AM
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87. Serpintine ....She knocks the socks off this tune.
Ani DiFranco dat is .... and look at all the footprints in the snow ;-)

Pavlov hits me with more bad news every time I answer the phone
so I play and I sing and I just let it ring,
all day when I'm at home

a defacto choice of
macro-microcosmic melancholy
but baby any way you slice it,
I'm thinkin I could just as soon use the time alone

yeah the goons have gone global
and the CEO's are shredding files
and the democrans and the republicrats
are flashing their toothy smiles

and Uncle Tom is posing for a photo-op with the oval office klan
and Uncle Sam is riggin' cockfights in the promised land
and that knife you stuck in my back is still there
it pinches a little when I sigh and moan
and these days I'm thinkin I could just as soon use the time alone

cause all the wrong people have the power of suggestion
and the freedom of the press is meaningless if nobody asks the question
I mean causation by definition is such a complex compilation of factors
that to even try to say why is to oversimplify
that's a far cry, isn't it dear, from acting like you're the only one there
unrepentantly self-centered and unfair

enter all suckers scrambling for the truth
exit mr. eye-contact who took his flirt and flew the coup
but whatever, no matter, no fishin trips, no fishin
cause momma's officially out of commission

and did I mention in there somewhere
did I mention somewhere in there
that I traded Babe Ruth,
yes I traded the only player
that was bigger than the game
and I can't even tell you why,
cause you'd think I'm insane.
and that's the truth

and the music industry mafia is pimping girl power
sniping off sharp-shooter singles from their styrofoam towers,
and hip-hop is tied up in the back room with a logo stuffed in its mouth
cause the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house

but then, I'm getting away from myself
as I get closer and closer home
and the difference between you and me baby
is I get fucked up when I'm alone

and I must admit today
that my inner pessimist seems to have gotten the best of me
we start out sugared up on kool aid and manifest destiny
and then we memorize all the presidents names like little trained monkeys
and we spit into the world so many spinny-eyed TV junkies

incapable of unraveling the military-industrial mystery
pre-emptively passified with history book history
and I've been around the world now and I can see this about America

the mind control is deep here, man
the myopia is steep here, man

and behold those who try to expose the reality
really try to realize democracy
are shot with rubber bullets and gassed off the streets
while the global power brokers are kept clean and discreet
behind a wall
behind a moat
and that is all
that's all
that's all she wrote

and my heart beats an s-s-s o-o-o s-s-s
cause folks just really couldn't care-care-care less-less-less
as long as every day is superbowl sunday
and larger than life women in lingerie are pouting at us from every bus stop
she loves me, she loves me not
she loves me, she loves me not
she loves me, she loves me not

and "big government should not stand between a man and his money"
i mean, "what's good for business is good for the country"
our children still take that lie like communion,
the same old line the Confederacy used on the Union

conjugate liberty into libertarian
and medicated associated with deregulation privitization
we won't even know we're slaves on a corporate plantation

somebody say hallelujah,
somebody say damnation,
cause the profit system follows the path of least resistance
and the path of least resistance is what makes the river crooked
makes it serpentine
capitalism is the devil's wet dream

so just give me my Judy garland drugs and let me get back to work
cause the empire state building is the tallest building in New York
and I have always got the feeling
you just like to hear it fall off your tongue

but I remember my name in your mouth
and I don't think I was done hearing it close to my ear
on a whisper's way to a moan

Pavlov hits me with more bad news every time I answer the phone
so I play and I sing and just let it ring,
all day when I'm at home

a defacto choice of
macro-microcosmic melancholy
but baby any way you slice it,
I'm thinkin I could just as soon use the time alone

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 09:26 PM
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31. Now they stood beside the treasure . . .
Now they stood beside the treasure on the mountain, dark and red,
turned the stone and looked beneath it.

"Peace on earth" was all it said.


http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/tin.htm

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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:08 AM
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82. thank you
:hug: merh :hug:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 03:41 PM
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36. MNA Day 3 now only 17 deaths away
American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1613
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties /

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:27 PM
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39. May that day never arrive.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:25 PM
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38. Indignation Grows in US over British Prewar Documents - LATimes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

We are in_deed indignant and we are going to put a stop the atrocities and indict and prosecute Bu$h and all the other war criminals.

Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:08 PM
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40. Conyer's calls for investigation into potential war crimes.
Edited on Fri May-13-05 02:20 PM by understandinglife
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/conyers_war_crimes...

1. Rep. Tammy Baldwin
2. Rep. Sanford Bishop
3. Rep. Earl Blumenauer
4. Rep. Corrine Brown
5. Rep. Julia Carson
6. Rep. John Conyers
7. Rep. Elijah Cummings
8. Rep. A. Davis
9. Rep. S. Davis
10. Rep. Diana DeGette
11. Rep. Anna Eshoo
12. Rep. Barney Frank
13. Rep. Raul Grijalva
14. Rep. Luis Guitierrez
15. Rep. Maurice Hinchey
16. Rep. Michael Honda
17. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee
18. Rep. Ron Kind
19. Rep. Dennis Kucinich
20. Rep. Barbara Lee
21. Rep. Zoe Lofgren
22. Rep. Carolyn Maloney
23. Rep. Betty McCollum
24. Rep. Jim McDermott
25. Rep. James McGovern
26. Rep. Gregory Meeks
27. Rep. James Moran
28. Rep. Jerrold Nadler
29. Rep. James Oberstar
30. Rep. John Olver
31. Rep. Frank Pallone
32. Rep. Donald Payne
33. Rep. Tom Price
34. Rep. Martin Sabo
35. Rep. Linda Sanchez
36. Rep. Bernard Sanders
37. Rep. Janice Schakowsky
38. Rep. Bobby Scott
39. Rep. Jose Serrano
40. Rep. Louise Slaughter
41. Rep. Hilda Solis
42. Rep. Fortney Stark
43. Rep. Ellen Tauscher
44. Rep. Mark Udall
45. Rep. Chris VanHollen
46. Rep. Maxine Waters
47. Rep. Diane Watson
48. Rep. Melvin Watt
49. Rep. Robert Wexler
50. Rep. Lynn Woolsey
51. Rep. David Wu





Peace and Justice; our unrelenting commitment.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:14 PM
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58. Civics lesson, please.
From Mr. Conyers: "We are writing to request that you appoint a special counsel to investigate whether high-ranking officials within the Bush Administration violated the War Crimes Act, 18 U.S.C. 2441, or the Anti-Torture Act, 18 U.S.C. 2340 by allowing the use of torture techniques banned by domestic and international law at recognized and secret detention sites in Iraq, Afghanistan Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere.

One year and 10 investigations after we first learned about the atrocities committed at Abu Ghraib, there has yet to be a comprehensive, neutral and objective investigation with prosecutorial authority of who is ultimately responsible for the abuses there and elsewhere...."

My last political science class was ten years ago. Why must these congresspersons ask permission of Alberto Gonzalez for a special prosecutor? Does not Congress have the separate authority to conduct its own investigation?

Thanks!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:04 PM
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41. FTR: the memo
Edited on Fri May-13-05 03:05 PM by understandinglife
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00...

The secret Downing Street memo

SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY

DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August.

The two broad US options were:

(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).

(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.

The US saw the UK (and Kuwait) as essential, with basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus critical for either option. Turkey and other Gulf states were also important, but less vital. The three main options for UK involvement were:

(i) Basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus, plus three SF squadrons.

(ii) As above, with maritime and air assets in addition.

(iii) As above, plus a land contribution of up to 40,000, perhaps with a discrete role in Northern Iraq entering from Turkey, tying down two Iraqi divisions.

The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.

The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.


The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.

On the first, CDS said that we did not know yet if the US battleplan was workable. The military were continuing to ask lots of questions.

For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary.

The Foreign Secretary thought the US would not go ahead with a military plan unless convinced that it was a winning strategy. On this, US and UK interests converged. But on the political strategy, there could be US/UK differences. Despite US resistance, we should explore discreetly the ultimatum. Saddam would continue to play hard-ball with the UN.

John Scarlett assessed that Saddam would allow the inspectors back in only when he thought the threat of military action was real.

The Defence Secretary said that if the Prime Minister wanted UK military involvement, he would need to decide this early. He cautioned that many in the US did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route. It would be important for the Prime Minister to set out the political context to Bush.

Conclusions:

(a) We should work on the assumption that the UK would take part in any military action. But we needed a fuller picture of US planning before we could take any firm decisions. CDS should tell the US military that we were considering a range of options.

(b) The Prime Minister would revert on the question of whether funds could be spent in preparation for this operation.

(c) CDS would send the Prime Minister full details of the proposed military campaign and possible UK contributions by the end of the week.


(d) The Foreign Secretary would send the Prime Minister the background on the UN inspectors, and discreetly work up the ultimatum to Saddam.

He would also send the Prime Minister advice on the positions of countries in the region especially Turkey, and of the key EU member states.

(e) John Scarlett would send the Prime Minister a full intelligence update.

(f) We must not ignore the legal issues: the Attorney-General would consider legal advice with FCO/MOD legal advisers.

(I have written separately to commission this follow-up work.)


MATTHEW RYCROFT

(Rycroft was a Downing Street foreign policy aide)


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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:59 PM
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42. EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY Dahr Jamail
The people vs. Bushs war
Put the war on trial
May 13, 2005 | Pages 6 and 7

TESTIMONY


Independent journalist who traveled to Iraq to report on the U.S. war and whose reports (at www.dahrjamailiraq.com ) give an uncompromising view of the reality of Washingtons occupation.

HAVING SPENT eight months in Iraq as a firsthand witness to the devastation of that country, I want to give my full support to two of the biggest heroes of our time--Pablo Paredes and Kevin Benderman. They, along with other soldiers now refusing to participate in this unjust, illegal war in Iraq, stand as a beacon of hope in these dark times for our country.

Nearly every soldier Ive spoken with inside Iraq expressed dismay at the situation and was confused about why they are even there. With each passing day, we can see clearly that the situation only continues to degrade. Scores of Iraqis are dying on a daily basis now--last week, in a three-day period in Baghdad alone, 1,365 attacks occurred on U.S. and Iraqi security forces. U.S. troops are dying at an average of nearly two every single day, with 10 times that number wounded.

All because we have a commander-in-chief who waged a war based on lies. We are now at over 1,600 dead U.S. soldiers, with more than 10 times that number severely wounded.


snip---
http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-1/543/543_06_WarOnT...


"You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html



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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:07 PM
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44. IN HIS OWN DEFENSE Pablo Paredes

The people vs. Bushs war
Put the war on trial
May 13, 2005 | Pages 6 and 7

TESTIMONY BELOW FROM: Pablo Paredes



snip--
These same war profiteers who never look their victims in the eye expect the citizenry of the world to follow suit and give up the quality which makes us human. They want us to watch filtered news and cleansed reports, and give a thumbs-up to the brutal murders that happen daily in Iraq and elsewhere. They want us to pretend Iraqis are not human beings--they are Islamic fundamentalists, they are terrorists, they are insurgents trying to murder our young boys over there.
The beneficiaries of war--measured easiest as those who wouldnt dream of taking part in war themselves, yet who reap the profits daily--would like us to believe that American lives matter, and Iraqi lives dont.
I call on everyone who hears my voice, or reads these words, to reclaim their humanity. Refuse, as every member of humanity should, to promote this mass violence against innocent people.

http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-1/543/543_06_WarOnT...

"You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html


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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:28 PM
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46. This is what I am sending to All Senators this evening.
I am writing today to implore you to do something about President Bush and his tactics for going to Iraq immediately and stop the use of all depleted uranium weapons.
The memo that was leaked 13 days ago, begs for immediate action against President Bush and his entire Administration.
By Greg Palast

Here it is. The smoking gun. The memo that has "IMPEACH HIM" written all over it.

The top-level government memo marked "SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL," dated eight months before Bush sent us into Iraq, following a closed meeting with the President, reads, "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam through military action justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

Read that again: "The intelligence and facts were being fixed...."

For years, after each damning report on BBC TV, viewers inevitably ask me, "Isn't this grounds for impeachment?" -- vote rigging, a blind eye to terror and the bin Ladens before 9-11, and so on. Evil, stupidity and self-dealing are shameful but not impeachable. What's needed is a "high crime or misdemeanor."

And if this ain't it, nothing is.

The memo uncovered this week by the Times, goes on to describe an elaborate plan by George Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to hoodwink the planet into supporting an attack on Iraq knowing full well the evidence for war was a phony.

snip------
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=426&row=0


SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY
DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military
snip----
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=426&row=0

Depleted Uranium Weapons use has to be stopped immediately, the use of these weapons is a War Crime.
Look at the pictures on this link I provide and know this is happening to American children as well, just not in as great of numbers as Iraqi children.

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

"You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html

Sincerely,
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 11:29 PM
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48. Outstanding. Just outstanding! Thank you.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:36 PM
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52. understandinglife
your welcome and your encouragement meant I must start a thread to encourage others to do the same...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
solidarity
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:04 PM
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56. Nominated your post. So glad you wrote that letter!
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:28 PM
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47. reports from Afghanistan, 13 May 2005
"Nine killed as Afghans rage at US"



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4544833.stm

At least nine more people - including civilians and policemen - have been killed in a fourth day of anti-US protests in Afghanistan, officials say.

<snip>

The BBC's Andrew North in Kabul says the violence appears to be spreading with reports of disturbances coming from across the country.

<snip>

The protests started after a report that US guards at the Guantanamo Bay detention centre desecrated the Koran.

Newsweek magazine reported on 9 May that interrogators at Guantanamo Bay placed Korans on toilets to upset suspects, and in one case "flushed a holy book down the toilet".


<snip>

'Deep indignation'

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has promised prompt action if allegations of desecration of the Koran at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp prove to be true.




(Aside: Regarding the "prompt action" as "promised" above, poster is not holding her breath. Anyone else here "blue enough" already? How long has it been since reading or hearing the term "US Secretary of State" was itself enough to cause a deep involuntary cringe?)

In more depth:

"Afghan riots bode ill for US long-term plans"

By Daan van der Schriek in Kabul for ISN Security Watch (13/05/05)

"Riots and protests that have spread from Jalalabad to the Afghan capital in the wake of a report that US interrogators had desecrated the Koran have taken a political turn, with students demanding the government reject US intentions to create a permanent military presence there."




http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?ID=11287

The biggest anti-US protests since the fall of the Taliban are spreading in Afghanistan, kindled by an unconfirmed report that US interrogators at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, desecrated the Muslim holy book, the Koran, to insult Muslim detainees. Several hundred students protested on Thursday in the Afghan capital Kabul. The unrest followed a 2,000-strong protest on Tuesday and riots on Wednesday in Jalalabad, in which four people were killed and the Pakistani consulate, foreign aid agencies, UN buildings, and diplomatic missions were attacked. The riots were triggered by a Newsweek magazine report that said US investigators probing abuse at the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay had discovered that interrogators had placed Korans on toilets, and in at least one case, flushed a holy book down the toilet. Desecrating the Koran is punishable by execution in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. On Thursday, protests spread to other districts in eastern Afghanistan, as well as to the Pakistani cities of Peshawar and Quetta, close to the Afghan border. Police shot dead two more protestors in Jalalabad and one in the Wardak, a province that borders Kabul. The protesters chanted Death to America and called for assurances that the US would not maintain a long-term presence in Afghanistan.

<snip>

Threatening Afghanistans independence

Beyond the current desecration outrage, the students in Kabul were also engaged in other political issues, demanding that the Afghan government deny permanent military bases to the US. They said the creation of permanent US military bases would threaten the independence of Afghanistan. The demands come only days after US-backed Afghan President Hamid Karzai got green light from more than 1,000 tribal elders and officials to go ahead with a partnership with the US that would most likely include the creation of permanent US military bases in the country.


<snip>

Strategic reach

The US is keen to have a military presence in Afghanistan that can secure its long-term interests in the region. It's not just Iran or drugs or something concrete and immediate - the goal seems to be strategic and long-term, Cornell says. For the future, the US envisages a wider area where military operations will be staged at short notice, stretching from North Africa to Southeast Asia - including Central and South Asia. Strategic reach is the issue, says Cornell. As such, Afghanistan is only part of a mosaic of US forward bases.


<snip>

Closing in on Iran

Another important country in the forward bases strategy is Azerbaijan. Cornell notes that at least once a year, Rumsfeld visits the country, which - like Afghanistan - can be used by the US to apply pressure on Iran. The US wants to put pressure on Iran, says Shaikh. A long-term US presence in Azerbaijan and Afghanistan would all but close the US circle around the Islamic Republic. It is already present in Iraq and has warships in the Persian Gulf. And it seems to have a small but important foothold in Pakistan as well. Prominent US journalist Seymour Hersh in January wrote in the New Yorker magazine that US special forces were conducting reconnaissance missions in Iran from - and with the help of - Pakistan. The US denied the claims, but similar reports abound. Anonymous security sources in both Afghanistan and Pakistan told ISN Security Watch that CIA agents and US special forces were present in the western Pakistani province of Balochistan, which borders Iran. A Pakistani and a British journalist who had been investigating a possible US presence near the Iranian border told ISN Security Watch they had been told of a small US military base on the Pakistani coastal town of Jiwani, close to the Iranian border. But those reports could not be independently confirmed. US special forces are sometimes cruising around in Balochistan, says Shaikh. And if the US is indeed planning covert operations against Iran, the Shindand Air Base in western Afghanistan, which is only some 100 kilometers from the Iranian border, is likely to play an important role, Shaikh says.


<snip>

Support for US bases

Observers believe that permanent US military bases could be established shortly after Afghanistans parliamentary elections in September. The new parliament would have to approve the bases. Until recently, few analysts had expected any hitches in that process because it could count on broad-based political support. But this weeks protests could signal problems ahead.


<snip>

Daan van der Schriek is ISN Security Watchs correspondent in Kabul.





"The peacock's plumage is his enemy.
Many a king has been slain by his magnificence."


-Jelaluddin Rumi (born 1207 C.E. in Balkh, present-day Afghanistan)
from the Mathnawi, Book I, couplet 208
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 01:27 PM
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49. ....
Edited on Sat May-14-05 01:45 PM by hiley
AL-QAIM, Iraq, May 13, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) Hundreds of Iraqi families have fled the western Iraqi town of Al-Qaim to escape the ongoing US attacks there, with the Red Crescent warning that the US offensive has turned the city into a big disaster, as local inhabitants complained about the stench of dead bodies laid on the streets or beneath the rubble of houses as a result of the fierce US offensive.Firdous Al-Abadi, a spokesman for the Iraqi Red Crescent Society (IRCS), said more than 100 Iraqi families have fled Al-Qaim in the Al-Anbar province near the Syrian borders to the town of Aana, some 75 km from Al-Qaim.

She added that unknown numbers of Iraqi families also fled to
snip---
He urged both US occupation forces and Iraqi resistance fighters to halt the clashes to allow the medical convoys to bury the dead.

More than 1,000 US Marines have been launching a sweeping offensive on the city of Al-Qaim since May 7, on claims of searching for followers of Al-Qaeda-linked Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, the most wanted man in Iraq.

snip---
The Americans do not hit the gunmen; they hit the houses of civilians.
snip--http://www.islamonline.org/English/News/2005-05/13/arti...


You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 01:43 PM
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50. $50 BILLION more asked for Iraq, Afghan, terror wars
Edited on Sat May-14-05 01:44 PM by hiley
By Jim Wolf
Fri May 13, 4:59 PM ET
The Senate Armed Services Committee has recommended a further $50 billion be set aside to fund U.S. military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and the U.S.-declared global war on terrorism.

The proposed new war spending for fiscal 2006, which starts Oct. 1, would push the cost of the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and its aftermath toward $250 billion, far ahead of initial expectations voiced by the Bush administration.
snip--

The recommendation for fresh emergency spending was sent to the full Senate on Thursday night as part of a bill that also would authorize $441.6 billion in regular defense spending in fiscal 2006, a 3.1 percent real increase over last year's authorized sum.
Three days ago Congress gave final approval for an $82 billion emergency war-spending bill, of which about $76 billion would go to war-fighting.Even with such a large, emergency funding measure, the Pentagon has said more money would be needed as early as October. By 2010, war costs could top $500 billion, some experts have projected.
snip--http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050513/ts_nm/iraq_co...

This is why they propose No Exit Strategy ! "By 2010" and Building permanent bases in Iraq...
Look at the PNAC after all the double speak, clearly world domination, for oil , it really has little to do with anything else but greed. As I heard a comedian say "Why is their sand on our OIL ?"

WE have to force them to leave Iraq !
Expose every lie, not misconception or we were mislead but we were fucking lied too.
Facts were fixed !



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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 04:51 PM
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54. Lies, not mistakes!
"Expose every lie, not misconception or we were mislead but we were fucking lied too.
Facts were fixed !"

How many times have we seen "the official story" expressing concern over "mistakes" that were made....with no holding to account anyone who made those "mistakes"?

Old, old story: Cry about the emperor's nakedness, and all eyes are suddenly on *you* and your rag-tag wardrobe.

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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 04:41 PM
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53. Am I blue?
Damned right I am. How fallen are the mighty! (That would be us, the formerly great United States of America.)

And how about some prompt action out of Condi over the desecration of *human beings* at Guantanamo Bay????? I'm afraid I'm gonna be without a television if I keep seeing that woman's face popping up, talking and talking and talking -- "a sound and a fury, signifying nothing"!

Let us hope that *this* king will be impeached by his magnificence. To slay him would mean the perfect excuse to declare martial law!
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 11:53 PM
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79. well & truly said, puebloknot...every word, every thought
<<And how about some prompt action out of Condi over the desecration of *human beings* at Guantanamo Bay????? I'm afraid I'm gonna be without a television if I keep seeing that woman's face popping up, talking and talking and talking -- "a sound and a fury, signifying nothing"!>>

You got me thinking about the (...pause...) inward condition of SOS Rice.
Especially in light of all this Monday's "news" and "counter-news".
Went turning the pages of Rumi again and found these lines:


The world is a prison and we are the prisoners:
dig a hole in the prison and let yourself out!


Rumi: the Mathnawi, Book I, couplet 982


(handing C. Rice and her masters their shovels)
(& taking up my own)



Water in the boat is the ruin of the boat,
but water under the boat is its support.
Since Solomon cast the desire for wealth out of his heart,
he didn't call himself by any name but "poor."
The stoppered jar, though in rough water,
floated because of its empty heart.
When the wind of poverty is in anyone,
she floats in peace on the waters of this world.


Rumi: the Mathnawi, Book I, 985-8


(for all of us, whose hearts become "empty"
through work poured out for peace and justice
for all our relatives: for the earth, her children,
and all her winds and waters, which are one)



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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:05 PM
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57. MNA Day 3 is just 8 more deaths away
American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1622
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties /

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:27 PM
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59. Marking time
How profoundly sad that we are marking time right now by the deaths of our troops. And I have to wonder how many of them are dying with the certainty that their lives are being thrown away for a lie?

From e.e. cummings, again:

".....the very, picturesque, last Day
(when all the clocks have lost their jobs and god
sits up quickly to judge the Big Sinners)
he will have something large and fluffy to say to me...."
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:06 PM
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60. End of the school year is upon us, draft ?
The Return of the Draft

With the army desperate for recruits, should college students be packing their bags for Canada?

By TIM DICKINSON


Uncle Sam wants you. He needs you. He'll bribe you to sign up. He'll strong-arm you to re-enlist. And if that's not enough, he's got a plan to draft you.
In the three decades since the Vietnam War, the "all-volunteer Army" has become a bedrock principle of the American military. "It's a magnificent force," Vice President Dick Cheney declared during the election campaign last fall, "because those serving are ones who signed up to serve." But with the Army and Marines perilously overextended by the war in Iraq, that volunteer foundation is starting to crack. The "weekend warriors" of the Army Reserve and the National Guard now make up almost half the fighting force on the front lines, and young officers in the Reserve are retiring in droves. The Pentagon, which can barely attract enough recruits to maintain current troop levels, has involuntarily extended the enlistments of as many as 100,000 soldiers. Desperate for troops, the Army has lowered its standards to let in twenty-five percent more high school dropouts, and the Marines are now offering as much as $30,000 to anyone who re-enlists. To understand the scope of the crisis, consider this: The United States is pouring nearly as much money into incentives for new recruits -- almost $300 million -- as it is into international tsunami relief.

snip---
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6862691...
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:25 PM
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63. The draft will be a lightning strike in a drought-stricken forest.
Edited on Sun May-15-05 01:26 PM by understandinglife
Any hope of a peaceful, lawful resolution of the crimes and other abuses of Bu$h and his fristian neoconster followers will be lost.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day America will have begun truly to be "America," again.


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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:13 AM
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83. may that dreadful lightning strike never come
<<Any hope of a peaceful, lawful resolution of the crimes and other abuses of Bu$h and his fristian neoconster followers will be lost.>>

i fear you are right about this.


our boy is 20, native-born in El Salvador.


thank you, UL.

peace
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:28 PM
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61. `America kept in dark'
as carnage escalates

U.S. TV accused of ignoring situation - Iraq on brink of civil war, analysts say

TIM HARPER
WASHINGTON BUREAU

05/14/05 "Toronto Star" - - WASHINGTONWhen the man in the white van slowed, the group of labourers from Kut, southeast of Baghdad, approached him in the hope they would be offered work.Instead he offered death.As the workers approached, the man blew up his van, killing himself and the men who had tentatively moved to him in trust, sending body parts hurtling through the sky and, according to witnesses, turning the nearest hospital into a blood-stained shrine of futility, overwhelmed by the number and severity of the casualties.

The scene was played out many times over in Iraq this week, where a spike in insurgent violence has placed the country on the precipice of civil war.

More than 450 Iraqis have been slaughtered in the past two weeks in a direct challenge to a new Iraqi government, making those heady days of the January election seem like something from the distant past. The euphoria of the purple thumb, the symbol of the bravery of voters, has given way to a river of blood-red in some of the worst violence in the post-Saddam era.

"We are on the edge of civil war," said Noah Feldman, a New York University professor and chief U.S. adviser to Iraq on the writing of the country's new constitution.
Yet, somehow this sharp surge in deadly bombings, assassinations and kidnappings in Iraq has occurred largely under the radar in the United States.

(No public figures have risen this week to decry this most recent carnage, no one is breaking into regular programming on cable news shows.)

snip---
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8836.ht...
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:14 PM
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62. "The matter goes far beyond how the U.S. is viewed abroad; it goes to ...
... the heart of how Americans view themselves and the core values under which this nation was founded.


EDITORIAL
Beyond Abu Ghraib


The release a year ago of photographs of American soldiers performing twisted acts like holding Iraqi prisoners at the end of a leash stamped the name Abu Ghraib with a notoriety that will last for decades. Some soldiers are being held accountable, either with jail time or loss of rank, but the scandal also has shone light on the issue of mistreatment of detainees beyond Iraq, a matter that requires a far-reaching investigation independent of U.S. intelligence agencies or the military.

(more at the link):
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-ab...


Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.com
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:29 PM
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64. I have an idea...
Tar and feathers.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:58 PM
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65. When the pain comes to a neighborhood near you.
Edited on Sun May-15-05 01:59 PM by merh

Two Harrison County families have received confirmation from the Marine Corps that their loved ones in Iraq were wounded in a roadside explosion that destroyed an Amtrac.

Cpl. Justin Rishel, 23, of Long Beach, and Sgt. Dennis Woullard, 33, of D'Iberville, were injured Wednesday when their amphibious assault vehicle exploded, relatives told the Sun Herald. The Marine Corps contacted the families Thursday afternoon.

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/11634224.ht...


I have known the father of one of the marines for years and I helped the other with the legal paperwork he needed before he was deployed (he likes butterscotch).

Thank God they both survived, but they shouldn't be there in the first place. :cry:

And each day I pray for forgiveness because the evil of this admin fills me with such hate and contempt that I can't see straight. May the lord forgive me for wishing evil upon them, but I can't help it I do. A test of faith, how do we pray for our enemies and not pray for their harm? :cry:

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:58 PM
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66. .
:cry:

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:22 PM
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67. .
:cry:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:27 PM
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68. "So it's important to understand how the tough guys made America weak."
May 16, 2005
Staying What Course?
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Is there any point, now that November's election is behind us, in revisiting the history of the Iraq war? Yes: any path out of the quagmire will be blocked by people who call their opponents weak on national security, and portray themselves as tough guys who will keep America safe. So it's important to understand how the tough guys made America weak. There has been notably little U.S. coverage of the "Downing Street memo" - actually the minutes of a British prime minister's meeting on July 23, 2002, .....

<snip>

In effect, America has been taken hostage. Nobody wants to take responsibility for the terrible scenes that will surely unfold if we leave (even though terrible scenes are unfolding while we're there). Nobody wants to tell the grieving parents of American soldiers that their children died in vain. And nobody wants to be accused, by an administration always ready to impugn other people's patriotism, of stabbing the troops in the back.

But the American military isn't just bogged down in Iraq; it's deteriorating under the strain. We may already be in real danger: what threats, exactly, can we make against the North Koreans? That John Bolton will yell at them? And every year that the war goes on, our military gets weaker.

So we need to get beyond the clichs - please, no more "pottery barn principles" or "staying the course." I'm not advocating an immediate pullout, but we have to tell the Iraqi government that our stay is time-limited, and that it has to find a way to take care of itself. The point is that something has to give. We either need a much bigger army - which means a draft - or we need to find a way out of Iraq.

(more at the link):
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/16/opinion/16krugman.htm...


Make it stick, everyone. Because it seems that at least Krugman has not been distracted from the reality that "There has been notably little U.S. coverage of the "Downing Street memo" - actually the minutes of a British prime minister's meeting on July 23, 2002, ....."


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 12:11 AM
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69. "If I have to go to prison because I don't want to kill anybody, so be it.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 12:16 AM
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70. Navy Judge Finds War Protest Reasonable
Navy Judge Finds War Protest Reasonable
By Marjorie Cohn
t r u t h o u t | Report (truthout.org)

Friday 13 May 2005

"I think that the government has successfully proved that any service member has reasonable cause to believe that the wars in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq were illegal."
-- Lt. Cmdr. Robert Klant, presiding at Pablo Paredes' court-martial

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:54 AM
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71. . . .
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. past poisonwood bibles & paradise lost, there's Tom, son of Milton



BECOMING MILTON


Milton, the airport driver, retired now
from trucking, who ferried me
from the Greenville-Spartanburg airport
to Athens last Sunday midnight to 2:30 A.M.,
tells me about his son, Tom, just back
from the Gulf war. "He's at Fort Stewart
with the 102nd Mechanized, the first tank unit
over the line, not a shot fired at them.
His job was to check the Iraqi tanks
that the airstrikes hit, hundreds of them.
The boy had never even come up on a car accident
here at home, twenty-four years old. Can you
imagine what he lifted the lid to find?
Three helmets with heads in them staring
from the floor, and that's just one tank.
He has screaming flashbacks, can't talk about it
anymore. I just told him to be strong
and put it out of his mind. With time,
if you stay strong, those things'll go away.
Or they'd find a bunker, one of those holes
they hid in, and yell something in American,
and wait a minute, and then roll grenades in
and check it and find nineteen freshly killed guys,
some sixty, some fourteen, real thin.
They were just too scared to move.
He feels pretty bad about it, truthfully,
all this yellow ribbon celebrating.
It wasn't a war, really. I mean, he says
it was just piles and piles of their bodies.
Some of his friends got sick, started vomiting,
and had to be walked back to the rear.
Looks like to me it could have been worked
some other way. My boy came through OK,
but he won't go back, I'll tell you that.
He's getting out as soon as he can.
First chance comes, he'll be in Greenville
selling cars, or fixing them. He's good at both.
Pretty good carpenter, too, you know how I know?
He'll tear the whole thing out if it's not right
and start over. There's some that'll look
at a board that's not flush and say shit,
nail it
, but he can't do that, Tom."

- COLEMAN BARKS


from _The Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart_
Robert Bly, James Hillman, and Michael Meade, Editors
HarperCollins Publishers, 1992, First Edition





Here's to Tom, and Milton,
and to tearing "the whole thing out
if it's not right" and starting over --
even when we most want just to say "shit, nail it".


Peace gardens always need new, true cold-frames
that serve to protect what is potent and tender
from all extreme weathers of passion and reason,
in each of humanity's strange, skeptic seasons.


:hug: beth :hug:

ana
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #77
81. "Here's to Tom, and Milton, and to tearing "the whole thing out ...
... if it's not right" and starting over -- ..."

Yes, here's to Tom and Milton and you, ana :toast:

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:42 AM
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84. please google:
"Chiron" + "asteroid" + "wounded healer"

or "Chiron" + "mythos"

been meaning to suggest this to you, UL

:toast: to Understandinglife (in all that means);
all the work you do and the guidance you offer us.
wise anchoring of MNA & deeper. the inspiring,
unstoppable peace-music. compassionate attention
to wounds, humanity's Promethean destiny, transformed
by "Chiron's work" continuing within each of us :toast:

ayv wa do, unali

peace
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:50 PM
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92. Thank you very much
Peace.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:10 AM
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72. [what if a much of a which of a wind] E.E. Cummings


what if a much of a which of a wind
gives the truth to summer's lie;
bloodies with dizzying leaves the sun
and yanks immortal stars awry?
Blow king to beggar and queen to seem
(blow friend to fiend: blow space to time)
--when skies are hanged and oceans drowned,
the single secret will still be man

what if a keen of a lean wind flays
screaming hills with winter sleet and snow:
strangles valleys by ropes of thing
and stifles forests in white ago?
Blow hope to terror; blow seeing to blind
(blow pity to envy and soul to mind)
--whose hearts are mountains, roots are trees,
it's they shall cry hello to spring

what if a dawn of a doom of a dream
bites this universe in two,
peels forever out of his grave
and sprinkles nowhere with me and you?
Blow soon to never and never to twice
(blow life to isn't; blow death to was)
--all nothing's our hugest home;
the most who die; the more we live


E.E. Cummings 1944
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:45 AM
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85. "the single secret will still be man"
many thanks to you, me b zola :hi:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 05:11 AM
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88. You're very welcome!
But the real thanks go to E.E. Cummings, he blows me away everytime I read one of his poems. Have you read ?
Now when I read it all I can think about is *.


I'd wave back, but I'm on our back-up computer that just barely allows me to log on & type :(
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:51 AM
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73. ".. as many as 56 percent of all cancer patients in Iraq are children"
Edited on Mon May-16-05 10:52 AM by understandinglife
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Part of the Bu$h, fristian-valued, neoconster legacy.

Peace.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:16 PM
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74. "the bum's rush to war."
Tomgram: Mark Danner on the British Smoking-Gun Memo

http://www.tomdispatch.com /

Peace.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:22 PM
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75. "End the Occupation" -- Check this:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 07:01 PM
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76. "Newsweek Got Gitmo Right"
Newsweek Got Gitmo Right

by Calgacus

Contrary to White House spin, the allegations of religious desecration at Guantanamo published by Newsweek on May 9, 2005, are common among ex-prisoners and have been widely reported outside the United States. Several former detainees at the Guantanamo and Bagram prisons have reported instances of their handlers sitting or standing on the Koran, throwing or kicking it in toilets, and urinating on it. Prior to the Newsweek article, the New York Times reported a Guantanamo insider asserting that the commander of the facility was compelled by prisoner protests to address the problem and issue an apology.

One such incident (during which the Koran was allegedly thrown in a pile and stepped on) prompted a hunger strike among Guantanamo detainees in March 2002. Regarding this, the New York Times in a May 1, 2005, article interviewed a former detainee, Nasser Nijer Naser al-Mutairi, who said the protest ended with a senior officer delivering an apology to the entire camp. And the Times reports: "A former interrogator at Guantanamo, in an interview with the Times, confirmed the accounts of the hunger strikes, including the public expression of regret over the treatment of the Korans." (Neil A. Lewis and Eric Schmitt, "Inquiry Finds Abuses at Guantanamo Bay," New York Times, May 1, 2005.)

(more at link):

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=5959


Peace.


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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:09 AM
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89. MNA 1630 - Day 3 just 7 deaths away
American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1623

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day America will have begun truly to be "America," again.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:16 PM
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90. MNA Day 3 just 6 deaths away
American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1624

http://icasualties.org/oif /

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day America will have begun truly to be "America," again.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:22 AM
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91. MNA Day 3 is just 5 deaths away
American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1625

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties /

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day America will have begun truly to be "America," again.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 06:47 PM
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93. MNA Day 3 is now just 1 death away
http://icasualties.org/oif /

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day what we once called "America" will emerge.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:47 PM
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94. Tragically, MNA Day 3 has begun.
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