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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:27 AM
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CNN plays audio of NC Church's anti-Kerry election sermon - (VIDEO)
May 9, 2005

Video - CNN plays audio of NC Church's anti-Kerry election sermon

CNN plays a tape of the pre-election sermon given by Rev. Chan Chandler of East Waynesville Baptist in Western North Carolina.

The following quote is taken from the sermon: "The question then comes in the Baptist Church, how do I vote? Let me just say this right now. If you vote for John Kerry this year, you need to repent or resign. You have been holding back God's church way too long. And I know I may get in trouble for saying that, but just pour it on."

In the longer version of the video, Bill Hemmer "talks down" to an expelled church member during an interview.



Short Video in Real Media format (1 minute)

Longer Video in Real Media format (4 minutes)



May, 5, 2005

DemocracyNOW! - The Christian Right and the Rising Power of the Evangelical Political Movement

For some more information about how this ultra-right-wing faction has taken over the leadership of the Southern Baptist Churches, consider this interview from last Thursday's edition of DemocracyNOW!


REV. JOSEPH PHELPS: ...Ostensibly the issue was the Bible, but the real issue was control: who gets to decide how the Bible's interpreted, whether women could be ministers, what the agenda of the Church will be. And slowly, but effectively, they took over the leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention. As a result, we're able to appoint trustees, who then appointed Dr. Mohler as president, who completely cleaned house at the seminary. Southern Seminary used to be one of the top ten theological institutions in the world. All of those professors have now been fired or forced out, and --

(...)

REV. JOSEPH PHELPS: Just on theological grounds, on the grounds that they weren't conforming to the strict literal in their interpretation of the Bible, as is prescribed by Dr. Mohler and the new takeover group. The reason this is important, I think, to your larger audience, as I said earlier, is because this group's agenda now bleeds over, not only into beyond the issue of the Southern Baptist Convention, to our larger culture. That same kind of domination agenda -- which says we're right, you're wrong; we're going to save you from yourself by telling you not only what the Bible says, but now what the Constitution says -- has enormous implications for our democracy.

Read, watch or listen to the entire interview here
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:29 AM
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1. But he was just MISUNDERSTOOD!
Never mind that his words said exacly what he is accused of saying, no equivocation. He said it. There is no misunderstanding, except in the case of the reverend's knowledge of the United States Constitution.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:11 AM
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21. The only misunderstanding is on the part of the excommunicated
They apparently didn't know this guy really meant it when he said "repent or resign"
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:13 AM
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24. It's time to bring out the old scriptures and dispel how man's interpretat
interpretation of old texts and scriptures have been just that. Many ancient texts pre-date Mosaic texts and it can be proved that many of the Mosaic laws, stories, creation etc. were either copied or paraphrased from much earlier texts by other people. Since the Baptist Convention wants to open this Pandora's box, I say let them. BRING IT ON and they will find that they have done much more to harm the cause of Christianity than to help it. If they are going to claim that they hold the only true answers to and about God, let's make it a fair contest and let the people know what's in those old scriptures and texts. I am sure that neither Christians or Jews or Muslims want all this laundry aired in public. But it is much easier to do with the Internet. We are not under the old Popes and chief religious leaders of the inquisition and the past. God's relationship is with individual men and women not through schooled and popragandized priests, pastors, and Rabbis.
BRING IT ON I say. It's time for people to learn about their religion.
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:39 AM
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2. Thank you for posting this.
I had not had an opportunity to actually hear the quote in the "pastor's" own words. He acknowledged that he knew he would catch heat for what he was planning to do, and told those whom he knew would be affected by his actions to "pour it on".

I think it should be poured on. I think this church needs to have it's tax-exempt status revoked, and taxes assessed retroactively to the day of the pastor's initial partisan political ultimatum to his congregation.

Representation without taxation is as evil as taxation without representation. The churches and religious organizations that choose to force themselves into the political arena need to pay taxes like the rest of us. If they don't believe in the seperation of church and state, then they shouldn't benefit from the seperation of church and state.

Like the "pastor" said, POUR IT ON.
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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:58 AM
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14. Not enough (IMO)
Flammable Materials said:

"I think this church needs to have it's tax-exempt status revoked, and taxes assessed retroactively to the day of the pastor's initial partisan political ultimatum to his congregation."

Not enough IMO. One of these stories about this had a quote from a parishioner for the past 29 years. She said the latest (backpeddling) sermon was the first time this pastor's sermons hadn't included politics. Now I'm assuming this guy hasn't been pastor at that church for the 29 years the parishioner has attended that church, but if it can be reliably established when the current pastor starting putting politics into his sermons, the retro-activity should go back to then. It would probvably be a much larger tax bill.

Politics should not be discussed from the pulpit. Period! This guy and pastors like him need to be sent a very loud message. They're debasing a great religion just as surely as radical Muslims debase Islam.
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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:39 AM
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3. I hope that...
...some grassroots movement starts to have this idjit's tax-exempt status revoked unless he resigns as pastor. That may send a message to other "pastor's" pulling similar crap.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:39 AM
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4. I'm really glad this is happening.
Lets face it, whether your Catholic or Protestant if you don't worship the god/king Bush then you don't belong in a church that does. We need to separate the people that follow Jesus from the people that follow Bush and the GOP. It's the first step in getting religion out of politics.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:41 AM
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5. But...but...but....it wasn't "politically motivated"
*cough*bullshit*cough*
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:43 AM
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6. thanks for link
kick!
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:45 AM
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7. Bwahahaha!
I KNEW someone would come up with audio/video of this nutball in action! :D
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:47 AM
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8. Thank "God" For Shut-In Tape Ministries!
Most of these fundamentalist churches record their services for shut-ins. I wonder how many of them are going to stop doing that now.

:evilgrin:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:06 AM
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17. Thanks to the congregant who
Edited on Mon May-09-05 09:07 AM by supernova
let this tape out of the bag. ;-)

I'll have to listen at home, though. At work right now.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:09 AM
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19. Is that where they got it?
I'm gonna have to laugh again. Rev. Chandler, you are SO busted! :D :D
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:13 AM
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23. A lot of churches tape the service
not just the fundies. Mine, a mainline demon, also does this. It helps the older folks feel connected.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:17 AM
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28. Yeah I know
I didn't even think of it though. My progressive church has tapes available for shutins.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:55 PM
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34. We do that too
And you can pay like $2 or so for the tape (which is what it costs for the tape itself which is a fair price). If you missed a sermon and/or really want to hear it again or buy it for someone else to hear then you can do so in the library at my church. They've been doing that for years (ever since I've been there anyways which has been since around '87).
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:48 AM
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9. Duplicate. n/t
Edited on Mon May-09-05 08:48 AM by Flammable Materials
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:51 AM
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10. "Jist pour it on"
Beware of what you ask for, bad fundie.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:54 AM
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11. Ask And Ye Shall Receive
"And I know I may get in trouble for saying that, but just pour it on."

Done and done sir, Done and done.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:58 AM
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12. What pissed me off was the way Bill Hemmer
tried to spin this "So there were Republicans thrown out too, not just Democrats...?" Implying that this wasn't political.

And I wanted the lawyer, David "Wejay" (I never could spell his name right...we called him "Wejay" in highschool) to jump in and make the point that while there were Rep. booted too, they were thrown out because they disagreed with Chandler about the church being a "political" body.

Hemmer made it sound like--"well, since there were Republicans kicked out too...what's the big deal?"
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:08 AM
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18. Bill Hemmer is an asshat
has always been an asshat, and will always be an asshat. Unfortunately the lawyer and his client were too polite. The lawyer might consider being a bit more aggressive during these interviews.
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:12 AM
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22. I'm glad you explained that statement
I was a bit worried and figured this guy was going to be safe now. They should have definitely explained the situation better because it did sound like he kicked out Bush supporters as well. That makes me very :mad:
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:15 AM
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25. yeah, the main point is...
that no matter who these people supported (or say they supported) Bush or Kerry or neither, the point is they don't want a minister telling them who to vote for, period.

That's the crux of the issue.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:23 AM
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30. Yeah, I noticed that too...
The pastor and his lawyer refused to be interviewed, so the media whore defended them instead! A real reporter would have taken their refusal into consideration and conducted the interview accordingly, using the statement "Neither the pastor nor his lawyer would comment..." in reference to that side of the argument.

In a CYA moment, it sounded like the "Republicans were kick out, too" was selected to diminish the sting of this action.

I also didn't like the condescending tone he used in using their first names.

And where did all the lawyers come from?
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:31 AM
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31. he couldn't remeber Mr. Lowe's name
Edited on Mon May-09-05 09:32 AM by libnnc
and he couldn't pronounce David's :rofl:

it's easy

wee-jay-wick-rama

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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:58 AM
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13. Bush = Salvation, Kerry = eternal damnation

There has been a coup in the Southern Baptist Church!



From this thread:

"It's all over politics," said Selma Morris, the church's treasurer. "We've never had a pastor like that before."

Pastor Chan Chandler had told the congregation before last year's presidential election that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic Sen. John Kerry should either leave the church or repent, said Lorene Sutton, who said she and her husband were voted out of the church this week.

"He's the kind of pastor who says do it my way or get out," she said. "He's real negative all the time."



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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:00 PM
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35. If it was me in that church
and that guy said that to me according to his assumtion's I'd rather do the right thing and go to hell then vote for a giggling murder like Bush.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:00 AM
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15. "I know I may get in trouble for this, BUT JUST POUR IT ON."???
And now it's a "misunderstanding"?

I call BULLSHIT. That pastor must publicly apologize and resign.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:02 AM
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16. Let's keep this kicked. This is (pardon the pun) DAMNING. nt
Another nomination, btw.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:10 AM
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20. Yo, Preacher man! I'm told God doesn't like liars
Or did I misunderstand as well?
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:16 AM
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26. IMO. this church 's direct involvement in denouncing Kerry
and promoting Bush, is just the "tip of the iceberg".
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:16 AM
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27. Nothing works like withholding money from these nut cases.
Tithe to the Lord. Bring the tithe to the storehouse of the Loud which is to help people in need. Stop taking the tithe to these churches which do nothing but sow hate, greed, and racism, sexism, and homophobia.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:21 AM
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29. I left my Catholic church because the main Priest/Monsignor now....
only allowed republican candidates to come to the church to speak politics to the congregation. Many people complaint and from the alter the Monsignor said, this is my church and I invite who I want, and I will invite those candidates who share my views. Many people left the church but the church is popular and huge, the people leaving didn't make a dent.

Last year, I read in the local paper that the Monsignor has been removed from his church duties, and the district attorney is ready to charge him for covering up the rape of a young kid by another priest. According to the kid's family, the Monsignor entered the room and witnessed the sex act, and quietly left the room closing the door behind him. This priest/Monsignor has a lot of power in the community. I hope they put him in jail and throw the key away. Maybe that will bring him down to Earth.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:06 AM
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32. I'm just curious if anyone in the press has pointed out that...
Kerry was NOT for gay marriage, and abortions have been on the rise under Bush.

My guess is NO.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:08 PM
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36. Obviously not
They should. Obviously they would never stick up for these people who were kicked out because they're not republicans and according to the fundie republicans they're the one's who are being persecuted so you can't have someone who is REALLY being persecuted and kicked out of their church. Not every democrat is pro-choice and/or homosexuality. One of the women was interviewed on my local news and she said she mainly votes democratic because of how they do with economic policies (like with Clinton the poor got richer and the rich got richer). Also look at Harry Reid. He's pro-life. Nobody is pro-abortion but we are for free thinkers and people choosing their own health care. My heart ache's for those people because for a lot of people (especially elderly) their church life is their social life and once you're kicked out of your own church then what else is there? :(
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:14 PM
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33. I wonder how many Kerry voters were threatened with eternal damnation?
and voted for * instead? I'd bet the farm that this was not an isolated incident. Was it 10,000 voters? 100,000? 1 million? Even if it was just one, it's still wrong.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:10 PM
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37. I would guess quite a lot especially in swing states
I've heard reports from a caller once (I think on Malloy's show maybe I could be wrong though since I listen to so many radio show's) that in Ohio the Bush/Cheney team gave black church's (and probably church's in general my guess) money so I bet the church's preacher's preached about why you should vote for Bush.
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