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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:52 AM
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The right punishment for the Bush Mob after exposure?
Recovering our history is more important than simple punishment.

The men who plundered the nation - twice, once in the 1980s, then again after the 2000 coup - the men who stole the elections of 1980, 2000 and 2004 - the men who thought up the two-war budget and Starwars and PNAC and engineered 9/11 and brought war to so many countries so that they and their clients could profit - the men of Enron and Halliburton and Carlyle - the creators of Bin Ladin and the War On Terror - the destroyers of the American dream and the American dollar - the true kingpins of the crack and heroine trades...

... are not geniuses. They are sick and fearful little animals.

When it all breaks apart, when the time comes for their punishment... I don't want to see them hanged... or abused... or mistreated.

It's not (just) about being better than them.

It's about getting the truth.

They should be sequestered on an island.

Treatment and priveleges will be based on how well they recall and recount their crimes. The more they talk, and the more what they say can be confirmed as true, the better their treatment.

We don't need them in a conventional jail. We need them as museum exhibits. They are a resource for the true history of the United States in the 20th and 21st century.

The American people need an education about what was really going on more than they will ever need retribution.

So I vote for the Napoleon Solution: Bush & Co. to St. Helena's!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:54 AM
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1. What I want
Edited on Mon May-02-05 12:54 AM by FreedomAngel82
is for them to be impeached in shame and all of them put in jail for their lives. All the way from Bush to Rice. I want John Kerry to prosecute them too. ;)
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:47 AM
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17. This Can Be Their New Home
Edited on Mon May-02-05 01:48 AM by AndyTiedye

The UN Prison at the Palace of Peace in the Hague.
Home of convicted war criminals.
pResidential pardons not accepted.

Boosh** and his gang have nightmares about this place.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:54 AM
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2. gitmo?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:55 AM
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3. I am too liberal to tell you what I really want done to them
How's that for 'messed up'? I am horrified by the levels this group has sunk my moral compass to. Sigh.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:59 AM
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4. There's actually places worse than Abu Graib....
still in operation. I'll spring for some one way tickets.
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MinneapolisMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:00 AM
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5. I want....
...all of their assets to be liquidated and used to establish a universal health care system in America.

That would be a start.

-Matt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:01 AM
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:20 AM
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11. Is Hagel really doing that??
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:29 AM
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:13 AM
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7. yes, I want them caged and toured across the country & world
a small fee to view them and a tad more if you want to bitch slap them, pinch them, or give them wedgies. This should raise enough money to repay our country and begin to repay Iraq. Saddam can join them on the tour. He can be hit with a shoe for a buck.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:13 AM
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8. Three Words: International Criminal Court
The BFEE's crimes are not only against US citizens, but are against the people of other nations (i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan) and the very planet itself. They must stand trial at The Hague for war crimes and crimes against humanity and the planet.

Additionally, Rupert Murdoch should be appropriately punished by having News Corp's charter revoked, all of his assets seized, his accounts frozen and Faux News forced to broadcast each and every minute of his own criminal trial.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:18 AM
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:23 AM
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12. Wouldn't this
Edited on Mon May-02-05 01:23 AM by FreedomAngel82
also be against the UK as well since they also got their military involved and killed thousands of them?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:28 AM
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:17 AM
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9. I think we should...
Edited on Mon May-02-05 01:17 AM by TwoSparkles
slide them down a razor banister into a ginormous vat of lemon juice.

I must joke because they are destroying this country, and it's so overwhelming. I wake up with a feeling of dread--that I almost don't even notice anymore, but it's there--because of these jackals.

I can't think of a just punishment because there is none. These people are soul murderers.

Furthermore, I don't think they'll ever be exposed or held accountable.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:35 AM
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16. Don't lose hope. Their Day of Reckoning will come.
Probably sooner than later at this point, because too many people are really beginning to feel pain for the BFEE's deceit. Without relief, eventually the public's anger will explode into rage, riots and even revolution against the elites. This will happen because the middle class and their hopes and dreams will have been wiped out by the elitists' greed and foolish oversight of the reasoning as to why the middle class was created.
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mirandaod Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:33 AM
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15. In my darkest moments,
I see an end similar to Romania's Ceaucescu.....
But then my higher thoughts win out, and I have to go with the International Criminal Court. I live in Holland, so I'd enjoy their trials at close range.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:50 AM
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18. I still favor the Mussolini upside down punishment.
It has visual strength.
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 05:18 AM
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23. While we munch on il duce-dolce upside down cakes?
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 02:01 AM
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19. Rosenburg comes to mind
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 05:01 AM
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20. Hows about putting 'em between a rock and hard place like where
Capone went and reopen Alcatraz?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 05:08 AM
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21. Send the entire Bush Junta to
Falluja and put them on the dog and cat patrol.
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 05:15 AM
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22. Sounds good to me..
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 05:22 AM
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24. Give each the Saddam treatment, starting with the spider hole
and their internment could be Gitmo for awhile, where they might enjoy the prostitute/menstral blood treatment among the other spa offerings, and then lots and lots of solitary confinement alternated with lots and lots of interogation. Start by finding what they know about 9-11, and don't forget the list of all the sneaky underhanded executive orders and such they made. Get the list of media whores so they to can enjoy the accommodations at Gitmo. People like Ruppert Murdock should be invited for extended stays.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:58 PM
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25. Some of the replies are examples of cathartic humor I suppose...
but many still miss the point; the manner of punishing the perpetrators of macrocriminality, men (for the most part) who have had such an impact on everyone in society, should serve that society and work to prevent future occurrences.

The ICC responses make the most sense, but I think an unrelenting American tribunal and truth commission would be far superior and produce results more likely to hold and inspire the people.

It's not about the gratification of seeing the bad guys get their comeuppance, "hoist by their own petard."

They must be isolated and kept away from any possibility of returning to power, yes.

Then the most important priority must be to recover the missing history. I want the truth, far more than I want any of them to suffer the spiderholes and tortures they ordered on others.

Only the truth will set us free. Only the truth will heal. Only the truth will bring around a permanent majority to the understanding that a covert government of moneyed elites and military/industrial contractors will inevitably be a criminal government. Only the truth will help understand how these kinds of monstrosities come into existence, and help assure they will not happen again under a different guise.

Getting their most accurate testimony on everything they actually know about the events of the past 30 years is far more important than hearing them scream, much as they may deserve the latter.

Torture as we have heard is not an effective device for getting information. And it tends to cause mental illness among the torturers.

My dream is to see them sequestered, under observation, subject to interview. When they talk and when that talk is confirmable in documents and corroborations, they get more biscuits. When they don't, they are put in the doghouse. For them it will be horrible enough. That's irrelevant.

For Americans and the world, it would be liberation. That's important.
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XNGH Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 03:45 PM
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26. Stole 1980
You said ... the men who stole the elections of 1980. How did that happened ? I thought was pretty much a landslide
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 11:10 PM
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28. October Surprise
Edited on Mon May-02-05 11:14 PM by JackRiddler
Just googled it, found this, looks like a great place to start:

http://www.webcom.com/~lpease/collections/denied/octsurprise.htm

It's a huge topic and you should definitely research it for yourself.

The story in a nutshell:

Lots of spooks were pissed at Carter for appointing reformer Stansfield Turner as CIA chief, and for abandoning (sort of) the "friendly dictators" of Iran (the Shah) and Nicaragua (Sandinista). Turner began his term (following on CIA sycophant GHWB) by firing around 700-800 covert operators, supposedly people who had been responsible for a variety of outrages like the Chile coup. (We don't know since their identities were not revealed. Big mistake: they should have been exposed & tried instead.)

These guys knew how to overthrow governments! They lined up as Spooks for Bush, and got GWHB on the Reagan ticket (with difficulties, as Reagan's true believers were highly suspicious of Bush and his "internationalist" connections). The Reagan campaign was run by Casey, a CIA ratline veteran (smuggled Nazis into US after WW2). They had a big advantage over Carter because of the economy and the hostage-taking in Iran (which dominated the news completely for 444 days, like no other story until 9/11. Heck, it stopped being the news and became "America Held Hostage.")

The Reagan campaign's big fear was an "October Surprise" - Carter negotiating a release of the hostages just before the election - that might put Carter back in the race.

That much is known history.

Casey and Bush allegedly negotiated a secret deal with the Iranians: they would keep the US hostages until the inauguration of Jan. 20 (and the hostages were indeed released on that day!) and would, in exchange, be supplied with arms in the war against Iraq. The deal was supposedly closed in Paris, with Bush and Casey actually in attendance, meeting with Iranian representatives.

Arms shipments to Iran did indeed begin in 1981, through Israel, and illegal shipments directly from the US (in 1984-86) were exposed during the Iran-Contra "scandal" of 1986. (It was claimed at the time that these shipments were in exchange for releasing hostages held in Lebanon. The proceeds were routed to the CIA-created Nicaraguan "Contra" army and Oliver North dutifully took the fall for everyone else.)

The "October Surprise" plot would have been treason. Did it happen? Sources supporting the story include Bani-Sadr (the actual president of Iran at that time, later exiled to France), Gary Sick (Carter's in-house adviser on Iranian affairs, author of "October Surprise"), Barbara Honneger (a Reagan-Bush staffer who dropped out of the administration to make these allegations, but who is a bit batty I have to admit), Soviet intelligence reports, two separate (and conflicting) guys who claim to have piloted the conspirators to Paris, much of what was released in an investigation headed by Sen. John Kerry in the early 1990s, and a host of researchers.

In a French documentary I saw on the CIA, a series of former CIA officers saying they believed it had happened. Only Frank Carlucci, rumored to have actually been involved, denied it and mumbled something nervously about "conspiracy theories."

Do the research and judge for yourself.

Definitely check this one out:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile5.html

Hashemi (arms dealer later involved in Iran-Contra) apparently "helping" Carter negotiate a hostage release while actually double-crossing and setting up the Reagan/Bush connection to Iran.

Haig claiming Carter had green-lighted Iraqi invasion of Iran through Saudi king (which I find eminently believable).

And more...
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XNGH Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 11:09 PM
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29. Didn't know this
This is VERY interesting ... and totally believable
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 09:00 PM
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27. A) Start making restitution to all they've wronged.
That alone could take decades.

B) Having their names forever marked with shame in the history books.

C) Public apologies. Canossa time, folks!
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