I really hate that Air America chose to go to XM

[femme.democratique]

HALLIBURTON owns shares of XM. By paying XM you are supporting global lust and greed. The positioning is quite ironic, and hypocritical - just goes to show that these days, liberals have no teeth (at least the ones in a position to do something!)

[iamjoy]

1. Oh, Crud

My husband has XM in his Acura.
It is the only way we can get Air America (except streaming through Internet, but I like to listen to radio in my car). We love XM, I didn't know it was owned by one of the evil cabal.

[physioex]

3. I understand....

I don't blame the people who have XM. I know sometimes there is no other choice, and I don't see anything wrong. But if you have have choices then you could choose not to have XM.

[Maat]

4. They own a fairly significant amount of shares.

Don't let people fool you. They will say it is only '2%' or '.5' or whatever. The key is that, in a big public company, they own a significant amount of shares relative to other individual/single-corporate owners (as opposed to pension fund investors). This type of investor tends to have a disproportionate amount of influence as to board elections and the like.

I'm sticking with Sirius.

[Caution]

7. This may be the case, but XM has no say over the content on AAR

They just have an exclusivity deal to carry it. I have no probelm with Halliburton suffering the indignity of something it partially owns lampooning them every single day.

[Rosco T.]

13. Helliburton does not have XM Stock.. check for yourself...

http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/Holdings.asp?mode=&kind=&symbol=XMSR&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&symbol=&FormType=&mkttype=&pathname=&page=holdingssummary&selected=XMSR

[physioex]

2. I hear ya.....

I dunno if you live in a larger city, but it is broadcast on AM here, and you can listen in on the internet.

[vince3]

5. And plus...

...I bought Sirius last summer just to listen to AAR. The announcement of the change two weeks ago was very disappointing.

[MazeRat7]

6. Thats it... no more clothes, food, or housing for me....

My buying clothes, food, and housing supports corporations that have other investors that are right of center....

MZr7

[postulater]

21. I'm thinking of mining my own iron ore so I can make

some iron pots for myself. If you want I can make one for you when I get done with mine. Got any homemade solar collectors I can run my homemade computer on?

[MazeRat7]

22. A pot would be good...A couple of hand tools would be nice too...

As for solar collectors.. Sorry fresh out but I do have an old hand wound generator we could hook up to a steam engine if needed.... *grin

MZr7

[femme.democratique]

23. Don't you find it ODD that Liberal Radio relies on...

...the financial support of some of the biggest corporate criminals? The same thing we revile is what supports us?

[NYCGirl]

24. You're WRONG. Please read the rest of this thread. NT

[Rosco T.]

8. No they do not! Disproven already check the NASDEQ site...

this and load about "Clear Channel" just won't go away..

[NYCGirl]

9. Absolutely untrue. Halliburton does NOT own shares of XM.

See complete listing of shareholders in this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3474226&mesg_id=3474459

Also here:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=XMSR

[MazeRat7]

10. What yet another urban myth debunked...get outta here... *grin

[NYCGirl]

12. You can thank Rosco T (who posted this before me on this thread) for

the original research.

[Caution]

Thanks Rosco. Your research was a lot more complete than my minimal

I own more stock in XM (and Sirius for those who would claim this makes me somehow biased) than the bottom institutional holders you have listed. Amazing job putting that list together.

It's amazing how this crap continues to be thrown out there without simply hitting yahoo to see if it is true.

[sellitman]

11. I have been listening to America Left on XM for some time now...

And I have always heard Air America. What has changed?

[onehandle]

14. On July 16 XM will convert it to pure AAR.

And rename it Air America Radio.

Sirius will no longer carry AAR.

[LetsGoMurphys]

18. its especially disappointing

since Ive decided to get Sirius for when Howard goes of off regular radio.

[Rosco T.]

15. What is known thus far -as far as those that bother to listen have learned

on MAY 1st, XM rebrands 'America Left' as 'Air America'

- still have Schultz and Colmes (wait.. read more)
- still last 2 hours of Randi
- get Mike Malloy on a three hour tape delay
- NOTE: they are already carrying Rachel's new show

on (or before) JULY 16th

- Schultz and Colmes go 'somehere' (either an existing channel or a second 'left' channel)
- 100% Air America Radio, in realtime, no subs

[sellitman]

19. I will miss Shultz.

He ain't my favorite but he is very intertaining. I hope he lands on XM too.

:popcorn:

[Caution]

16. Where have you seen this?

From the research i have done (minimal) Halliburton is most definitely not listed as a major share holder (which puts them under 1.9% of shareholders and thus outside of any board influence (contrary to the below poster, the amount of shares owned is so minimal that this would certainly not effect board level decisions).

Halliiburton is most certainly not listed as an insider or a form 144 holder, not does Yahoo list them as a major institutional holder.

Having hit each of the major institutional holders (not lincluding the mutual funds holders, didn tfeel like spending all that much time on this) at OpenSecrets neither of these companies (Edit: Sirius and XM) show major investors giving any bias towards either party. The same holds true for the insider lists for the most part.

While Halliburton may own some shares in XM this isn't very uncommon for even some of your favorite true-blue companies as a result of just normal institutional holdings for a major internation corporation like Halliburton.

FYI you can find much of this info out at Yahoo
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=XMSR

add up the percentages owned by the various groups listed and it's over 80% of the stock in the company. This does not include the stock held in reserve by the company itself.

Anyone who actually knows anything about the manner in which corporate boards work will back me up in saying that Halliburton will have zero say in the way this company runs.

By paying XM I am supporting a company which provides me with good service, provides a liberal voice over their network to 3 million listeners, provides a voice to Bob Edwards (who just this morning mentioned every single one of the hot topics that are running around DU right now, unheard of for the normal media, a company which provides me with an opportunity to listen to baseball games from across the country and finally provides me with a daily dose of Lewis Black on the comedy channel. To say that somehow XM is benefitting Halliburton and their corporate greed in any meaningful way is just silly.

[XOKCowboy]

20. Thank You...

and to Roscoe T also. These unfounded rumors about XM are very tiring. I've had XM for over 2 yrs and think it's great.

[Doc Bottom]

17. shameless self-promotion

Gauche of me to say so my first post here, but if you're listening to internet radio you might just groove on TREASON which web-casts every Saturday night at 7 pm MST (9 Eastern) from

http://radio.uccs.edu

Talk radio so progressive, it might be moving into the infrared end of the spectrum. Or the ultraviolet.

NOBODY owns us. Which is why we have such hilarious technical difficulties at times, our station is, in fact, an old ATM booth.

If you like, you can email [email protected] and ask to be added to our update list. You'll get an email once a week saying (with varying degrees of accuracy) what we'll be talking about.

[Binka]

25. Welcome Doc I'll Give Ya A Listen

eom

[SiouxJ]

26. XM has 3 times the subscribers Sirius does

http://www.nucifora.com/newsletter/0305-0405/estats.html

That may change, but right now that's the case, so it's better for getting the message out to the masses.

[Rosco T.]

30. Actually, last estimates were Sirius 1.5 mil, XM 3.95 mil n/m

[femme.democratique]

27. Fine, I was wrong

But supporting Clearchannel is still supporting global lust and greed...well, maybe not as GLOBAL but you know what I mean.

[Rosco T.]

28. You're still wrong, Clear Channel owns nor controls no part of XM...

try again.

[Name removed]

31. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Rosco T.]

32. No... it's a little bothersome thing called THE TRUTH....

what's your problem with that?

[femme.democratique]

33. You just seem quite defensive about the virtue of XM.

Hence my sarcasm.

[Rosco T.]

34. Hence my reply... "the TRUTH is... it needs no other justification"...

.. the "Clear Channel/Halliburton owns/controls XM" has more legs than a GOP talking point. It still needs to be beat down.

[GreenInNC]

35. lalala I'm not listening.....

I just love it when someone who has been reeled in by a hoax gets all pissy when it is pointed out to them.

[femme.democratique]

37. I just love it when some sanctimonious (insert choice word here)

...tries to put me in my place!

[DancingBear]

36. You refuse to listen to the truth

Hence my skepticism.

Handle notwithstanding.

Get it???

[drbtg1]

39. Um, perhaps then XM needs to look at their own web site

Specifically the second "investment partner"

http://www.xmradio.com/corporate_info/strategic_partners_category.jsp?category=investment

[nedbal]

40. CC does own a part of it, some claim 10%

We have raised $330.8 million in financing, net of expenses and repayment of
debt, from investors and strategic partners. Our strategic investor companies
include General Motors, DIRECTV, Clear Channel Communications, and our parent
company, American Mobile Satellite Corporation.

http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=Clear+Channel+owns+nor+controls+XM&ei=UTF-8&u=www.hoovers.com/freeuk/co/secdoc.xhtml%3Fipage%3D839510%26doc%3D1&w=clear+channel+owns+nor+controls+xm&d=E198C12B33&icp=1&.intl=us

Below is a cache of http://www.hoovers.com/freeuk/co/secdoc.xhtml?ipage=839510&doc=1. It's a snapshot of the page taken as our search engine crawled the Web. We've highlighted the words: clear channel owns nor controls xm
The web site itself may have changed. You can check the current page (without highlighting).

[Rosco T.]

41. Old news.. web site out of date... 10Q filings show..

Page 44 of the 10Q states:

Holdings and we are a party to a long-term distribution agreement with OnStar Corporation, a subsidiary of General Motors that provides for the installation of XM radios in General Motors vehicles, as further described in Note 6 to the condensed consolidated financial statements. In connection with the development of our terrestrial repeater network, we were a party to a contract with Hughes Electronics Corporation. DIRECTV has provided consulting services in connection with the development of our customer care center and billing operations. DIRECTV ceased to be a related party during the three-month period ended March 31, 2004. Holdings and we have arrangements with American Honda relating to the promotion of the XM Service to new car buyers, the use of bandwidth on the XM System and the development of telematics services and technologies. We have an agreement with OnStar to make available use of our bandwidth. Clear Channel Communications provides certain programming services to us. Holdings and we have a sponsorship agreement with Clear Channel Entertainment to advertise our service at Clear Channel Entertainment concerts and venues. Premiere Radio Networks, a subsidiary of Clear Channel Communications, has in the past served as one of our advertising sales representatives. Holdings and we also run advertisements on a spot and network basis on radio stations owned by Clear Channel. In addition, we lease 4 sites for our terrestrial repeaters from Clear Channel Communications. Clear Channel Communications ceased to be a related party during the second quarter of 2004.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1116317/000119312504195532/d10q.htm

[Rosco T.]

29. Late news (unconfirmed by me as of yet) XM added Malloy to the sched ....

... supposedly went on last night in the Franken repeat slot (ie. on a tape delay) after Colmes...

this was supposed to happen on May 1, so being a week early seems to indicate things are moving along quickly.

I'll check myself later tonight and will confirm or deny.

[B Calm]

42. Why can't they air Malloy live? He's 10 times better than Colmes..

[Rosco T.]

43. They will... word is by July 16 when Colmes and Schultz...

.. are moved to a different channel.

[drbtg1]

38. I don't hate XM for this, I hate AAR

It was AAR that distributed through both XM and Sirius.

It was AAR that knew Sirius did an "Unfiltered" broadcast of AAR's lineup, not XM.

It was AAR, through their high profile personality Randi Rhodes, that TOLD listeners to get Sirius instead of XM.

It was AAR, not Sirius, that decided to take a deal to reduce the size of their potential audience (defying logic) and screwing the Sirius audience.

It was AAR, through their direct actions, that reduced the value of Sirius services after being proactive to promote Sirius.

I smell class action lawsuit. A justifiable one, at that.


BTW, Sirius fans here may like this thread:

http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21857&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=622a86b2040ced875da14375bf864666

[Born Free]

45. too many righ wing radicals on Sirius Back stage forums

They would love to see AAR off Sirius. Regardless of what people say, AAR is still 100% 24/7 on Sirius. Let's wait and see what actually happens in July. This is not to say you should not email Sirius and let them know you want them to pay for AAR.

[drbtg1]

46. Only recommended that thread, not the whole forum

The problem I see with DU on this topic is that the obvious XM supporters have poisoned the air here. It seems Sirius supporters put their money where their beliefs are and would like a little more consideration for being screwed. Especially here, of all places.

Regardless of your blanket condemnation as "righ wing radicals", I found a bit more support for the "AAR with Sirius" position over there, hence my recommendation.

[Rosco T.]

44. CONFIRMED: Malloy now on XM...

just flipped over and there is he, and there it is in the display

MIKE MALLOY
replay

ok, it's taped delay, but he's THERE.

that means as of now, XM is short 2 hours of AAR...

by July 16 we are supposed to have 24/7 AAR in realtime

more to come.