This new Gannon info won't go anywhere

[cynatnite]

I don't see it going much farther than it has. It certainly won't show up on any MSM, but we know how those can be. Olberman might give it a mention.

Here at DU a lot of us raised these very questions about how a guy like this had such easy access to the WH and bush. We all have our suspicions, but this story will die the same death that all the others have.

Short of a smoking gun, it's not likely to draw much attention.

[jean]

1. that's why they're asking us (you!) to disseminate this story tonight

Go for it - do the media blaster thing.

[mike_c]

10. if I was an editor and this dropped on my desk...

...I'd say "We'll run it when you get the story." So far the Conyers/Slaughter FOIA docs suggest that there might be a story-- particularly in the unexplained SS log absences-- but that's not much different than reporting that "the mayor was out of his office 15 times during the last two years for periods that were not explained by his daily schedule." Evidence of a story? Maybe, if you think you know what's been going on during those anomalous intervals. But without that information, my hypothetical editor would say "bring it to me when you've got the story."

[EFerrari]

16. mike, I really like your posts but disagraee on this one.

My boss being out the the office is not equal to me being in his house for unaccounted for periods of time. Or, that's how it seems to me.

On edit: I agree. We've moved journalism away from entertainment to compulsive curiosity. Cheers!

[mike_c]

27. well since you put it that way....

LOL! But the point I was making is that without that accounting, legitimate explanations for his WH visits are just as credible as any others. Don't get me wrong-- I don't know that there are any legitimate explanations-- but by the same token I don't know that there aren't. It seems to me that this story was rushed out before anything but the circumstances could be determined.

on edit-- you know, on reflection it seems to me that's both the strength and weakness of blogging as journalism. Blogs can report something like this without knowing much about the context or the consequences of the circumstances, and leave it to intelligent, critical readers to digest and understand events themselves. That's both an advantage, and a disadvantage, I think.

[EFerrari]

31. Yeah, I see that. On the other hand,

I also see the audacity required in this climate to get a story out before "they" find a way to kill it.

New territory, for most of us, for sure.

[NV Whino]

39. Mike, this is just the first step

The second is to account for all the anomalies. And, Guckert, as I'm sure you read, has refused to comment.

[mike_c]

42. oh I understand that, I'm just lamenting what I see as...

...a journalistic failure to get the explanations-- that make the story-- before rushing to "press" with the unexplained circumstances.

[EFerrari]

46. Help me remember when that was the process!

I'm 48. And remember being able to get *news* from tv.

My tinfoil may be wrapped too tight, but this seems like a predatory climate we live in. The choices aren't great. At least, it's not boring , is it?

"Something there is that doesn't like a wall, that wants it down." -- Frost

[evlbstrd]

54. I agree.

Walter Cronkite retired a long time ago. The last one I really trusted.

[EFerrari]

65. He's not dead yet! We're lucky to have him as a standard.

:kick:

Because we don't go down easy

:kick:

[FreedomAngel82]

56. I agree

I think the story is still forming. There is a lot of information here then there was before, so it can be used and worked with. I don't see the NYTimes or LA Times running this though or any local newspaper either. There has to be other information to show what the deal is. Other wise people would just go: "so what?"

[Trajan]

2. There is one reporter's opinion ....

[Name removed]

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[EFerrari]

5. So, I shouldn't bother to make coffee?

Naw, here's some.

:donut:

[seemslikeadream]

13. YES COFFEE PLEASE

[EFerrari]

41. LOL! I've met this guy somewhere! n/t

[vi5]

8. Yeah, because they've been proven wrong so many times...

I mean honestly how many times can people be expected to get all excited over a story, convinced that it's going to be the downfall of Buscho, send e-mails to the mainstream media, and then act like they be expected to act like it was a huge success that the big consolation prize is Olberman mentioning it for more than one night on his show that gets 500,000 viewers?

Honestly I'd love for once for them to be proven wrong in their defeatism. I'll put in just as much work on this stuff as I ever do and I will continue to do so. But in the end, honesty forces me to admit that time and again, they are right and these stories die on the vine.

[cynatnite]

9. Nothing defeatist about it

It's just the way I see it. It pissed me off in the beginning, but the uproar lasted all of five minutes.

I'd rather blast what the repubs and neocons are doing to this country than some hooker wannabe reporter who could only write a story word for word. So what he had access. Monica did, too.

This just isn't a big deal and it won't be one in the press.

Now, if it were a Clinton plant...special prosecutors, daily press conferences and indepth reporting would be the order of the day and it's all we'd hear about.

[qanda]

17. You can say it's not defeatist if you want

But that would mean the definition has changed. Anyway, have fun complaining about it going nowhere-- I'll be out posting the link to various boards and emailing it to friends.

[cynatnite]

25. So I give my opinion which doesn't go with the majority

and I'm accused of complaining. Sure it's an abuse and sure it gets added to the list, but I just don't see this going anywhere. Period.

This is stuff many of us already knew and were questioning when this whole deal broke wide open. This confirms it, but a headlining, bringing down the BFEE story is not what this is. Let's be realistic here.

If this leads on tomorrow morning's news and takes off I'll apologize and say I was wrong. I'd rather be wrong.

[mike_c]

12. how about the DU critical thinkers group...?

Or the DU "not quite ready to buy that bridge in Brooklyn yet" group?

[EFerrari]

20. lol. I don't get how waiting for a story is like buying swamp land

Before you can critically think, you need an object of contemplation.

Or, am I missing something?

[senseandsensibility]

4. Thanks for the expert input

and all your hard work to make sure that it DOES go somewhere.:sarcasm:

[NVMojo]

6. of course, a negative attitude always helps ....

but let's try to work on this!

[H2O Man]

7. "Short of a smoking gun"

is not meant literally. This is indeed a smoking gun.

[funflower]

11. Maybe we could Ken Starr to depose Bush about it....

Then it won't matter whether or not it's important, just whether he lies about it.

;-)

[FreedomAngel82]

57. I wonder where he is now days

Especially with a gay hooker is involved. I guess he isn't a democrat eh? :eyes:

[fooj]

14. Perhaps. However, this time there are OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS...

One can hardly deny the validity of an offical doc, right?

Peace.

[vi5]

19. You mean official documents such as...

a Presidential Daily Briefing entitled " Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within the United States"?

Or an officially requested document in which the president's chief legal counsel says torture is o.k.?

[cynatnite]

21. Sure, if they've got some teeth

And if they do it might raise a few more eyebrows, but I just won't pin anything on it. To me, and yeah I'm no expert, this story has been done. People have heard it before.

Get some pics of him going down on Rove or shrub himself and then we've got a story. Seriously folks, this is just a lot of what we already knew.

I remember questioning this jackass' access. How in the blue blazes he got up front and center and not being a real reporter shocked the hell out of me.

It's another in a long line of abuses and it will go on the list...at the bottom, IMO.

[NV Whino]

40. Of course it's what we already knew...

now two congressment know it, too. And there's actually a paper trail. This is only the first step. It's the foot in the door that allows "us" to officially investigate this guy and what he was doing in the White House. (And to whom he was doing it.)

[brettdale]

15. I agree

Remind me next time not to click on any message that has a title that says "Hot breaking news story" or Huge news story, I should of guessed it was going to be something minor. It seems the rawstory people just wanted hits to thier webpage.

[bigwillq]

18. That's why WE need to do something about it

In the past, I feel we let the pukes off the hook on certain issues. Let's hope some members of Congress will push for a full investigation of this news.

[EVDebs]

22. Since the Real Story is Operation Mockingbird, the media manipulation

by our own 'intelligence' and its being abused by the current administration of its own partisan political purposes, not anything remotely connected to national policies -- remember Armstrong Williams et al were being paid to PROMOTE policies. Why ?

[H2O Man]

44. Very good question.

Who in the White House knew? When did they find out?

[EFerrari]

23. I think the best part of this story is what we do with it.

What are you willing to do?

1. Ignore, won't go anywhere. Maybe. Certainly if you don't get it out.

2. Wait and see. Fine. It will die without inquiry.

3. Send what you know with a caveat. Maybe best strategy, honest but gets it out.

4. Send it out with wild claims. Don't do it, just shoot your other foot.

When did we get so wary of asking questions? "Why was this guy in the WH without being accounted for in the most controlling administration in US history?"

That's just plain sad.

B.

[cynatnite]

24. Yeah, I did that...months ago

Blasted it to all the media email addresses I keep for such purposes.

This is just more of the same in my eyes.

I do that when I see something I think should be blasted to the media. This just isn't it.

[EFerrari]

29. I guess we all make that call daily. That's cool.

These muthas set so many fires at the same time, it's had to know what to attend to, for sure.

B.

[H2O Man]

28. "To be, or not to be!"

That is the question. To determine if it is nobler to be a bump on a log, and fail to try to succeed, or to risk trying to bring democracy to life? I say let's play this hand!

[fooj]

33. I'm with you! They are counting on us to fold...

NOT A CHANCE!!! I am tired of these "imposters" destroying OUR COUNTRY! These evil, maniacal madmen are NOT Republicans. They are hypocritical thugs looking to suck the life out of us all!

Peace.

[EFerrari]

34. Agree. Slings and arrows, kiss my remote. lol. n/t

[countingbluecars]

26. It should be headline news.

Prostitute Allowed to Come and Go Freely at White House.

Shouldn't the "religious" right be outraged? Imagine the same scenario with a Democrat in the White House.

[fooj]

30. All of this on "Justice Sunday"...How delicious is that?

If people haven't noticed lately that the dam is cracking then I'll be happy to point it out! The WH seems to be imploding on itself. Look at the Bolton BS, the SS investigating why they were impersonated at Shrub "town hall" meetings, the GOP no longer speaking with ONE VOICE...the list goes on and on! Need I say more?

Peace.

[cynatnite]

32. Too many holes to plug

I will agree with that. If nothing else, this does give them another problem and the more the better for these jerkoffs.

[fooj]

35. Yes!! Yes!! You see? Don't lose HOPE!!

:patriot: Time to step up and fight like hell for what we believe in!!!

Peace!

[cynatnite]

36. I never said I lost hope

I just don't view this new information the same way as a lot of people.

[fooj]

38. It's cool. Hey, the docs are posted at Raw Story now!

Peace!

[enid602]

37. story

My interest in the story was peaked by the several instances cited where Gannon was in the WH on days when offsite press conferences were held on Air Force One. What's up with that? Who else was in the WH during these periods?

[NV Whino]

43. I asked that same question in another thread

Who, indeed, was in resisdence for Guckert's apparent overnighters?

[KittyWampus]

45. DU'ers Please Crawl Up Into A Fetal Position & Do Nothing!

fuck the negativity in this place.

If a person can't contribute in a postive way why bother getting in the way of those who CAN?

[H2O Man]

47. Right on!

Who taught these people to be helpless? How do people find security in "No!"??? We need to be saying "YES!!!" Yes to life. Yes to trying. Yes to taking risks. Yes to fighting for democracy. Yes we understand the Constitution. Yes we will exercise those rights granted in that Constitution. Yes! Yes! Yes!

[Disturbed]

51. Not a smoking gun but...

the trail is getting hotter. This is the start of a paper trail into the real raw story.

[cynatnite]

52. Yeah, I curled up on the floor like a baby

I bawled my head off in despair at the state of our country. I'm helpless to fight against those who seek to use the bible rather than the constitution. I'm just going to crawl into a shell, give up and let the neocons have their way.

Glad you got that out of my post. /sarcasm off

[fooj]

66. Amen to that!

Peace.

:patriot:

[EFerrari]

49. Reminder: We've all been systematically traumatized

since 9/11 -- maybe since 11/1999. And Bu$hco has leveraged the trauma at every opportunity. Don't blow this off, it's real and they're using it.

Before you judge your fellow DUer, take a sec to think about that.

And, the opposition banks on the trauma taking us out.

So, (wow, this is going to sound silly as possible, lol) hold it, hold it, until you know your own mind.

(Then, please flood every outlet with this story. :) )

[fooj]

67. Thanks for the nudge...

You do that so well, sfex!


"If we have no peace it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other."- Mother Teresa:grouphug:

[bush_is_wacko]

48. The log in register came from the SECRET SERVICE.

DU speculation is one thing. ACTUAL log records showing Gannon checking in and NOT checking out are pretty damn serious. THAT is PROOF of an extra special White House relationship. Add that to what he does for a living and ad the fact that the presidents wife's new assistant was getting those passes for him and you have to wonder who told him he could do that. sorry, I bet there aren't very many reporters that can claim they stayed overnight at the
White House more than one time for any reason. They might have been invited guests once, but I doubt EVEN that!

This is damaging. MSM may not cover it NOW but the investigation is ON! For sure!

[hootinholler]

55. Hmmm, Have you read the transmittal letter?

Page 2, The SS states these records do not reflect the type of badge he was issued, because the access control system does not capture that info.

Aren't they obligated to look it up manually then? Or at least provide a cross reference to the badge ID to type of badge. The provided response is incomplete with regards to the request.

I also want to know if these passes allowed 'unescorted' access to the white house. Most gov't space requires an escort for temporary passes if there is anything even remotely sensitive in the building.

I would also like to know if he actually attended the briefings he was present for. Perhaps cspan recordings would be helpful in that regard.

-Hoot

[LiveWire]

50. I know its not much

But an article about it will go in the UCSB nexus prolly this week.

[B Calm]

53. The corporate owned press will kill this story. Sorry lurking freepers

but there is no such thing as a liberal press and this will prove it!

[seemslikeadream]

58. EDITOR AND PUBLISHER - GOING "NOWHERE"

Jeff Gannon Exposed: In 'Doonesbury' and in New Documents

By E&P Staff

Published: April 24, 2005 10:30 PM

NEW YORK The reporter/blogger formerly known as James D. Guckert, who had pretty much escaped the public eye this month, staged a dramatic comeback on Sunday, re-appearing in Doonesbury and making news as Secret Service documents concerning his White House visits were released.

The Secret Service papers had been requested by two Democrats in Congress, Rep. John Conyers and Rep. Louise Slaughter. According to the blog Raw Story, they show that Guckert, who wrote for two pro-GOP Web sites under the pen name Jeff Gannon, made more than 200 appearances at the White House during his two-year tenure.

This included attending 155 press briefings, and at least two presidential press conferences, all on a “day pass.” More surprising, according to the documents: Guckert got into the White House three dozen times when there were no scheduled briefings. And on at least 14 occasions, Raw Story reported, “Secret Service records show either the entry or exit time missing.”
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000893927

[EFerrari]

59. Well done! E&P!

How hot does if hafta get before you check your seat (euphemism included)?

:thumbsup:

[seemslikeadream]

62. But it's not there now !!

Here's the google

Jeff Gannon Exposed: In 'Doonesbury' and in New Documents
Editor & Publisher - 1 hour ago
... According to the blog Raw Story, they show that Guckert, who wrote for two pro-GOP Web sites under the pen name Jeff Gannon, made more than 200 appearances at ...

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=GANNON&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d

[EFerrari]

63. I get an error message. Even better. : ) n/t

[enid602]

60. story

This story might not take off like a rocket this week in the MSM, but it's proving that it does have legs. As this and other stories grow, I fear that Bushco will really take the plunge in trying to establish a fascist state. Nuclear Veto success? New terrorist threats? Crackdown on the Internet?

[jazzjunkysue]

61. The Doomsday response is getting old: With his numbers in the

potty, he's running scared, and underneath the texan bravado, knows he's way in over his head. It's all going to shit: Roe v Wade, stem cell, social security, the anti-gay marriage amendment, Korea, Iraq, Abrahmoff. Nothing's working. Even the nuclear option and Delay are souring.

Stick a fork in them. They're done. Shaivo taught the die-hard reagan repubs who they elected. This anti-gay hate will now be turned on the administration, and it's real. It's not a repub fabrication. This will assault the sensibilities of millions of gay haters, that THEIR good ol boy likes spending time with boys like Gannon. This is going to burn across the papers and the TV, and although it may sound like insinuation, the freepers have learned to respond to insinuation, and they will revolt on this.

This is huge.

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