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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:02 PM
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I Am Beginning to Believe Iraq was better with Saddam
Its just non-stop over there. His Imperial majesty * has no way out of this one.
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:08 PM
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1. Saddam even had a plan..
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:13 PM
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2. they had electric, water, security
woman had rights, stores were open at night..... What do they have now....
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:14 PM
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3. I know , I do too -- and I HATE feeling that way
At least there was order and some decent rights for women, and the streets were safe. Yeah, there was murder and torture, but the Iraqis have it now, and it's chaotic violence, with no "rules." I have no answer, and unfortunately our government doesn't either.
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:27 PM
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12. You mean you folks were drinking the "Saddam-evil-person Kool-Aid?"
Pleeeeeze!! Didn't you know anything about Iraq before 9/11 except what the Bush folks told you?
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:17 PM
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4. the dead certainly think so.
both sides. on theirs, untold numbers.
I hope Bush has to look every single one of them in the eye on Judgment Day and explain why their lives were shortened by a violent end.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:17 PM
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5. We could have helped w/o pulverizing the entire country
I refuse to believe that in the entire world there was not a group of exiles that wished to replace Saddam, we could have supported them, it was not about Saddam, it was about the oil, we have dismantled the country, that was not necessary, what we have done is cause complete failure of the framework of civil, political and governmental structure required to run the country. Where do we go from here, I don't know. The insurgent attacks become more sophisticated and ruthless against the Iraqi people every day.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:18 PM
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6. Yeah, and I'm loving that cheap Iraqi oil, how about you?
Oh. Wait. I paid $2.19 a gallon today. Hmmmm..... why are we there again?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:27 PM
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13. I pay it if we had the global respect
now I feel like the U.S. is acting like a drunk at a wedding, everyone is hoping he'll just go back to his room and sleep it off.
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Filimon Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:46 PM
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18. why are we there?
Well, obviously NOT to steal oil.

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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:19 PM
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7. What happend today to make you say that? /nt
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Comicstripper Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:19 PM
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8. Not better off, just different
The danger of Saddam was his oppression, cruelty, and murder. I was and am as disgusted as anyone else about the reports of prisoner abuses, civilian deaths, etc. at the hands of Coalition forces, but the two types of abuse aren't comparable. The danger Iraq faces now is political instability, which has the potential to breed the type of horror that existed under Hussein.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:20 PM
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9. Let's put it this way
What's the difference between Iraqi's being murdered and tortured by Saddam versus us?
(other than the fact that they had schools, electricity, drinking water and it was all FAR less costly than the private companies taking billions to do a piss poor job of NOT providing those things now)
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Liberal_Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:20 PM
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10. At Least It Was Stable
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:26 PM
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11. I could not find the photo album of Iraq
Edited on Fri Apr-22-05 09:26 PM by wakeme2008
before the war, it had a lot of pictures of kids and people going about their normal lives..... Weddings .... Wish I still had the link...
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:31 PM
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14. A client of mine is a woman from the Middle East
and as a devout Muslim, she said kindly and plainly, "Even with all the terror before, people there were better off under Saddam. The Iraqi people, and people in the Middle East don't want the freedom that the U.S. government thinks everyone wants. They want someone to tell them what they should do. They want someone strong in charge. Saddam was horrible, but to many of them, preferable to the life they have now."

I'm not making a judgment on what she said, but I was amazed that she said it so calmly and matter-of-factly.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:37 PM
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16. If you look at the Iraq before the war and
the rights that Iraqi women had, and compare it to Iran or Saudi they were head and shoulders above those countries......
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:33 PM
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15. 11,445,638 Iraqis for Saddam
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:42 PM
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17. Apparently many ME experts thought it was best to contain him
rather than depose him, the reason being that what could emerge in Iraq without his secular government was worse than that. So now we are beginning to see that they were right.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:49 PM
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19. Well, the hijab (headscarf) is definitely "in" now ...
... and I don't think it's a fashion statement.

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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:50 PM
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20. the attacks are increasing again
CNN international just had a general on, saying the attacks have onyl slighty increased in the past two weeks and because its car bombs that they are using that is a good sign, it shows the insurgents are desperate to use that method.

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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:03 PM
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21. Iraq was better before the invasion
I definitely agree with you. Saddam had little to do with it, but Iraqis had water, electricity, schools, security, secular government, jobs among many other things. All of these basic necessities have been destroyed and severely damaged by the US invasion and occupation. Schools, museums, houses are in terrible shape; unemployment is as high as 50% (at least); the danger is endless; an unbelievable number of innocents have been unjustly murdered (100,000 civilians is the conservative estimate, while 80,000 military personnel were killed by an illegal invasion force); women are in constant danger, honor killings are more and more common, women are raped at random very frequently, women are expected to cover up and refrain from any influential positions; electricity is mercurial at best, and even then it is scarce.

The US imposed sanctions hurt Iraqis far more than Saddam did since 1991 (to the tune of 4,000 children a month).

The US has also brought back the worst practices of Saddam's government. People are taken from their homes, homes are searched for no reason whatsoever, innocent people accused of nothing specific are thrown into a dungeon of incarceration, torture is widespread, people are mowed down in the streets, demonstrations are met by bullets, houses have been routinely bombed...the list does not end here....

To top it all off, we are now actively supporting dictators/governments that are as bad if not worse than Saddam. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Israel the list goes on and on....
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