I received the attached from a Navy guy this morning. And you ask

[napi21]

how can people possibly support the Shrub?




JOHN GLENN - WELL SAID
Things that make you think a little........
1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January.....
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.
That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn
country of Iraq.

2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state
the following ...
FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman....finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
John F. Kennedy. ...started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us.
Johnson....turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,! 000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never
attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and
did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

3. In the two years since terrorists attacked us
President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without
firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own
people.
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It
took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and t! he Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police
after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick killing a woman.

Wait, there's more.......................

Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do
for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard
Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu
speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men
and women in the armed services do what they do for a living. This is a
typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of
our military.

JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13

Senator Howard Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"

Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I
served through two wars. I flew ! 149 missions. My plane was hit by
anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program.

It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a
nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to
the bank. I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a
veteran's hospital and look those men - with their mangled bodies - in the
eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!
You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the
widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you
look those kids in the eye and tell them that their Dads didn't hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National
Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and
you watch those waving flags.

You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that
those people didn't have a job? ! I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum; you
should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were
some men - SOME MEN - who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to
a purpose - and a love of country and a dedication to duty - that was more
important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this
country possible.

I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?"
NOTE: For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was
an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA

If you can read this, thank a teacher.... If you are reading it in English
thank a Veteran.
Please keep this circulating.

[trotsky]

1. I don't have to ask.

I know they're stupid enough to believe the content of a hoax e-mail.

Check http://www.snopes.com.

[napi21]

5. I did check snopes, and it said this is TRUE!

I didn't post it because I thought it was true or not, but because it's the real perception out there!

People keep posting questions asking what's the best strategy to be able to win in 2006 & 2008. I think one of the best ways to do that is if we understand what we're uo against! The guy who sent me that email isn't a whaco nut. He has many complaints against ShrubCo, and I sure don't hesitate to point out any new ones I find. He's all kind of pissed about the value of the US $ v/s the Euro, since he's in Italy. He can't afford to buy anything unless it's throu the PX. But he's been in the Navy since 1985, and very sensitive when he feels people are picking on them.

[trotsky]

12. Did you actually READ the Snopes writeup?

The summary says "True" but you have to read it to get the context.

The item quoted above is indeed a relatively faithful transcript of candidate John Glenn's remarks during a 1974 debate with Howard Metzenbaum for the Democratic nomination to a U.S. Senate seat, but the circumstances that prompted Glenn's words were not quite as they're made out to be here.

And then there's this:

Update: In 2005, someone prefaced the John Glenn/Howard Metzenbaum article with the following item about Iraq. This addendum has nothing to do with John Glenn — it's an anonymous piece that has been floating around the Internet since 2004, but because it has been tacked onto an article about Glenn, readers have been misled into thinking that it is a transcription of something he said...

And the stupid "Sudan offered bin Laden to Clinton three times!" nonsense is tacked on as well. That never happened.

[TreasonousBastard]

2. This again...

with a few new wrinnkles.

Everything in there could be rebutted, but what's the point...

Writing a 10 page rebuttal to remove the spin from the grains of truth in that just isn't worth the effort when they won't read it.

[ET Awful]

3. Hmmm, I wonder if this Navy guy knows that John Glenn is

a Democrat?

I always get a chuckle out of the idiots that think that 39 US military dead in Iraq (out of 130,000 troops) equates to 35 homicides in some random city. They leave out the monstrous number of civilian casualties and use their double speak to try and convince people that their math somehow makes sense.

[TryingToWarnYou]

8. If you want to really confound them, ask them what "context" is when they

want to toss out murder victims, car accidents etc. Last time I checked, we werent at war with Detroit.

You might also want to point out to them that this is a war (typically by their very own words as they describe it), so how can you compare war dead with civilian deaths in a nation not experiencing war?

Eh, its probably a lost cause either way.

[maxsolomon]

4. this shit makes me hate the internet

they're trying to smear HOWARD METZENBAUM for being a commie symp?

incident occurred in 1974, during the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, not 1994.

[Roland99]

6. Damn. I've been wrong all along. Yay, GW!

:eyes:

[Walt Starr]

7. Neither Howard Metzenbaum nor John Glenn were Senators

on Mon, 26 Jan 2004.

The incident occurred during a primary debate in 1974.

Everything listed above that were things never said by John Glenn. On top of that, they leave a lot out.

[NYC Liberal]

9. "Germany never attacked us: Japan did."

Um....Germany declared war on us first!!

So this guy is saying that even though a country declares war on us, we shouldn't respond unless they actually ATTACK us?

:eyes:

[Howardx]

10. didnt eisenhower start sending advisors to vietnam?

n/t

[Az]

11. Math and facts for consideration

Detroit has a population of nearly 1 million. If we multiply the number of troops in Iraq by about 10 we get a similar population sample which means they are having a death rate nearly 10 times higher than Detroit. How bout we add the number of Iraqi's being killed in as well... na don't want to hurt their little minds.

As to FDR, Japan was allied with Germany. There was open warfare going on with Germany and the Europeon nations. Many had been begging us to join in. Far different situation from Iraq.

And of course news flash. The taliban is still around.

[alfredo]

13. Here is some rebuttal.

3. In the two years since terrorists attacked us
President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without
firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own
people.

Liberated Afghanistan by turning the country over to the war lords and heroin producers? Anyway, Kabul is just one town, not all of Afghanistan.

The Taliban is still active and gaining strength. The war lords are funding the Taliban and al Qaeda with some of their drug proceeds.

The nuclear inspectors are UN inspectors and they are part of the deal worked out with European nations. The UN with the help of Europe and over our objections have inspectors in Iran. Bush reneged on a Deal between Clinton and North Korea, causing North Korea to kick out inspectors. Now North Korea is building nuclear weapons in plants built by ABB a company that had Donald Rumsfeld as a board member. Saddam was turned in by Iraqis. We didn't capture him he was ratted out for a piece of the reward money.


The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It
took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

The bush administration said the war would take 60 days. Janet Reno inherited the Branch Davidian stand off from the GHW Bush Administration.


We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

total bullshit. We have been searching for WMD's for years and have found none. there is evidence that Kenneth Starr's staff had the rose Law firm billing records all along.


It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and t! he Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police
after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick killing a woman.

The republican guard was not defeated, they collapsed into the cities, discarded their uniforms and are now called "insurgents." Saddam knew he could never win a war on our terms. His only hope was to sucker us into an urban guerrilla war.

Re: Kennedy It was a long walk from the bridge to a place with a phone. He was exhausted from repeatedly diving into the water in an attempt to save her from drowning.

[wuushew]

14. Kosovo was a piss poor excuse of "mutual self-defense"

(Did you mean Kosovo?) I have respect for the U.N. peacekeeping mission in Bosnia.

Since none of the affected countries were members of NATO or even bordered NATO members.

Action if any should have been taken after we hashed out serious differences with Russia over the Balkans in the Security Concil.

[alfredo]

15. That's right. That region has always been a power keg.

They may have been reacting to history as much as current conditions.

If the UN would have been involved, they couldn't have used force in Kosovo.

[LibertyLover]

16. FDR and Germany

They also get the FDR and Germany thing wrong, making it seem as if FDR declared war on Germany. In fact, FDR was very careful to only have the Congress declare war on Japan. Two days after Pearl Harbor, Hitler declared was on the US under the terms of the Tripartite Treaty between Italy, Germany and Japan.

[VOX]

17. Google any phrase from this; it's all over the Net like a cancer...

And it flourishes on right-wing blogs. Periodically, it dislodges itself into an e-mail like the one above.

There was a nearly identical e-mail posted by a DUer last week -- I believe they received it from their in-laws (?) :shrug: