Bush: America has no right to impose its form of government on others.

[Radical Activist]

At the dedication of the Lincoln Presidential Museum today Bush said:

"Americans have no right or calling to impose our own form of government on others."

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=46065

I'm amazed. This was Bush's last and final rationalization for the war in Iraq. His first two excuses were outright lies. There were no weapons of mass destruction. There were no ties to Al-Qaeda or 911. His only remaining excuse was to bring freedom and democracy to the people of Iraq, which Bush now says we don't have the right to do. What then, was the purpose of invading Iraq? Statements like this make my head want to explode.

Despite Bush's words, his actions show us that he does believe we have the right to impose our form of capitalist representative government on others because he has already done it in two nations. Bush joins the ranks of people like Mussolini and Stalin who felt it was perfectly acceptable to invade and/or occupy other nations because their form of government was supposedly superior.

Anyone would have to be an extremely naive idealist to believe Bush invaded Iraq for humanitarian reasons. Bush has never leveled with the American public or the troops about the true reasons for the Iraq war.

[Solly Mack]

1. My head has just exploded

woah...


and people will hear this and never once "hear" the disconnect!

Unreal!

[wookie294]

2. America has a long history of imposing governments on others

Okay, you already knew that!

The CIA's website has an article about how the agency organized and financed the overthrow of Iran's DEMOCRATIC government of Iran in 1954. See link below. This is only ONE example of the many examples of U.S. meddling in foreign countries that causes anger at America (and helped cause 9/11)....

http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/vol48no2/article10.html

[Carolab]

3. 9/11 was an inside job.

n/t

[rodeodance]

6. why did he say this--What was the context of his talk?

[Radical Activist]

8. Again, it was the dedication of the Lincoln Presidential Museum.

He was trying to say that the ideals of freedom and liberty for all people found in the Declaration of Independence should apply to the entire world, and that the US should help spread those ideals. He's trying to cast himself as Lincoln on a global scale.

[Ms. Clio]

35. Code for his racist rabid Lost Cause supporters

He really means Lincoln and the Union had no right to impose a slavery-free society on the South.

(I'm not really serious . . . . I think)

[wookie294]

7. I don't think so

I think Arabs are justifiably angry at the USA and Pan Am 103 should have been a wake-up call. Sept. 11 was done by Arabs, not Bush. Whether Bush allowed it to happen is possible, however.

[Carolab]

9. Even if they LIHOP.

It was STILL an inside job.

[wookie294]

11. "Inside job," my ass

Arabs are quite capable of pulling-off a "9/11" attack without the help of Bush. Read the history of American brutality in the Middle East and you'll see why 9/11 was bound to happen, just like the bombing of Pan Am 103 was bound to happen.

[Zhade]

25. Explain the holes in the Official Story.

Man, some people can't help but go sailing on that big river in Egypt, eh?

[jmowreader]

27. However, they did get the help of Bush

The biggest help they got was when the government changed the airspace-penetration rules. In the days before Bush, when an aircraft on flight plan went outside its announced flight path by a certain distance--I think it was one mile--the Air Force was required to send up a fighter to investigate. (This is one of the reasons the Air Force has bases all over the country.) These rules were very publicly put into effect in October 1999 when golfer Payne Stewart's plane lost cabin pressure and everyone on it died.

In the months before 9/11, Bush changed this to require presidential authorization to scramble fighters. And very conveniently, when the hijackings were occurring Bush was at a hotel in Florida being prepared for a photo opportunity...and when the first plane hit he had just walked out of the hotel to be taken to an elementary school.

Add to this the PDB scandal. In August 2001, Bush received a Presidential Daily Brief entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within U.S." In September 2001, nineteen people bought one-way cross-country plane tickets with cash and checked in with no luggage. That ain't normal, people. I mean, you fly across the country and you're at least going to need clean socks at the other end, right? And the only reason to fly one-way across the country, assuming you're not planning to blow the plane up, is to move there. (Which means you need at least a suitcase--even if the Lord told you to give all your possessions to charity and start afresh in your new city, you still need a couple of changes of clothing to go house hunting in, right?) And these guys apparently showed quite a lot of anxiety, far more than the normal traveler. Airline employees are trained to look for people like that.

The Air Force was stood down and the airline security was stood down after Bush found out that terrorists were planning attacks in this country. How much help do they really need?

[vSmith]

10. Hell yeah

So was the job in 1993...Damn you Chimpy, it was coming to you.

[Leftest]

14. Yup

- Iran

And the other ones I can think of right now at the moment are:

- Guatemala
- Honduras
- Nicaragua
- El Salvador
- Bolivia
- Cuba
- Haiti
- Chile
- Panama
- Laos
- Syria
- Greece
- Dominican Republic
- Afghanistan

And there are more.

[LatePeriduct]

4. Here's a quote you'll never forget.

Bush: I never was impeached, I don't know what you're talking about.

6 months after Bush is formally impeached.

[burrowowl]

5. Say what!

Oh! That means that we have to 'watch over' (kill the protestors) until thay see that their government doestn't have to be like ours just so it grovels to the U$ and gives up all their wealth to U$ Corps!

[liveoaktx]

12. Yeah, but then he goes on to justify imposition couched in other

words (why does Bush's ego require applause comments?)
.....

Yet, American interests and values are both served by standing for liberty in every part of the world. (Applause.)

Our interests are served when former enemies become democratic partners -- because free governments do not support terror or seek to conquer their neighbors. Our interests are served by the spread of democratic societies -- because free societies reward the hopes of their citizens, instead of feeding the hatreds that lead to violence. Our deepest values are also served when we take our part in freedom's advance -- when the chains of millions are broken and the captives are set free, because we are honored to serve the cause that gave us birth. (Applause.)

.....

[Radical Activist]

13. The applause breaks in the transcript don't match the real applause.

I was there and the biggest applause line was his cheap comment about Lincoln quoting the Bible. This was a Republican crowd excited to see him and the response was still rather tepid.

[liveoaktx]

15. What gets me is the mixing of two different media

When I watch a sitcom, I expect to hear fake laughs, applause and other sound effects to pump up the show. I also know that people in live studio audiences see signs for applause, etc. But it's for the audio presentation.

It's plain goofy, in print media, to add sound effects, as if people are too moronic to read the words for themselves without having to have a verbal audio-to-print cue.

When I see that, I imagine all the great literature or speeches with reactions in parentheses.

"Four score and seven years ago, our forefathers" (hoo-ah)

"My friends, no one, not in my situation, can appreciate my feeling of sadness at this parting. (Awwwwwwwwww) To this place, and the kindness of these people, I owe everything. (Applause)

Of all the devices this manipulative administration uses, the word cues in *'s speeches have to be the most obnoxious.

[Radical Activist]

18. haha I love the

Lincoln quotes with the audience reactions. Funny.

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Hmm

Do you think they added in applause for effect? Wouldn't surprise me.

[Radical Activist]

22. It was probably part of the original text of the speech.

So dipshit would know when to pause.

[punpirate]

16. It's Bush's way of saying...

... that it's not what we're doing, not what we intended. It's just more Bushspeak, to convince the public that we invaded another country for entirely altruistic reasons. That way, when it all goes to shit, he can say, it's not my fault. The Iraqis did it to themselves.

It's completely pathological, but that's the way Bush and his people think. So far, it's worked, too. We "liberated" the Iraqis, and the attendant suffering is their problem.

Get ready for more of it in the next few months....

[EFerrari]

19. Translation: If spreading Democracy with napalm didn't work

don't blame me.

[punpirate]

29. There's that aspect of it...

... but I think Bush has a very different notion of what democracy is than do most of us.

If one looks at his attitude about it domestically, that's a hint. The offhand comments about dictatorships being easier, his legislation diminishing individual rights, his clear disrespect for the voting process and his heightened degree of government secrecy and public perception manipulation all point to someone with a distaste for genuine democracy.

That might seem hypocritical of him (and certainly is, to a degree), but I think Bush conceives of spreading democracy as the proliferation of opportunity for US businesses--his definition is very likely that narrow. It's definitely not a so-called "free market" system, in any sense of the word, that he's advocating. He thinks war for the sake of American business is spreading democracy--that democracy is the same thing as American business.

It's the height of delusion, but, nevertheless, he believes it.

[EFerrari]

31. I think that's exactly right. n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

23. Definietly

I definietly think so too. Remember when he said once how he means everything he says and everything he says his scripted from Karl Rove and written by a speech writer. They had him say this for a reason. Maybe something is about to hit the fan and he won't be caught so they can't impeach him. :shrug: He has some motiave though I think.

[kenny blankenship]

17. No right to impose our... whaaaaH??

Did any of you guys happen to see where the last THREE YEARS went?
They were just here, I was looking right at them --and then they vanished or something without a trace.

Does this mean I can call myself three years younger now?

[FreedomAngel82]

20. OMG

Can I pound my head into the wall please? What the hell reason have we been in Iraq for?!?!?! Why have over 1500 of our soliders died for?! Fucking moron!!!! :banghead: :rant:

[spindoctor]

24. That was one of his talking points during the 1999 campaign

Say what you will about the man, but a flip-flopper he is not.

(uncontrolable cough)

:dem:

[Lab2112]

26. Bush is right...

...we're not imposing our own form of government on others, especially Iraq.

The puppet Quislings who comprise the so-called Iraqi government won't be spreading democracy or freedom for the common Iraqi man or woman to enjoy. Their only true function is to enable Pax Americana to further entrench itself in Iraq, and, by extension, the whole of the Middle East.

Or in other words, we shouldn't be imposing our own form of government on others, because it would impede the bottomline for all those American contractors helping with "reconstruction" in Iraq, as well as Dick Cheney's deferred compensation from Halliburton.

Gotta keep our priorities in order, you know.

LAB

[Radical Activist]

28. So it will be government by international corporation

Well, that's exactly Bush's idea of what America government is.

You make a good point.

[Solly Mack]

30. excellent point!

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. Statements like this make me want to pull my face off!

bush** must think everyone has a memory as short as his apparently is.

[liam_laddie]

33. HUH?

Shouldn't the quote read "We Bushes have no right or calling to impose our own form of government on Americans."

[sakabatou]

34. Now that's hypocrisy...