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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:57 AM
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It only took the Nazis 60 years. Prescott Bush helped finance Hitler and
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 11:58 AM by blm
now his grandson controls the world's superpower.

Ratzinger was a member of Hitler's youth and today he was named Pope.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:59 AM
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1. Hitler would be proud I think. Amazing coincidence. Don't forget
Arnold in California.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:09 PM
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8. I thought
more Nazi's were popping out. Funny how they're running things isn't it?
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:23 PM
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12. Very odd and weird
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 07:16 PM
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27. I'm grabbing my hat
Once you throw Ah-nold in to the mix you realize something is amiss
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:02 PM
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31. and Rove's father was in the SS
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 09:34 AM
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32. I forgot about Rove's connection to the SS.
.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 10:44 AM
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33. I tried to trace the Rove-Nazi story back to its source. Retracted.
Edited on Wed Apr-20-05 10:46 AM by leveymg
The story that Rove's grandfather was high Nazi official reponsible for constructing a concentration camp was withdrawn by the authors. I do not know sources they relied on. See:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm

reprints a 2003 story in the Columbus, OH Free Press:

http://www.freepress.org/departments.php?strFunc=display&strID=386&strYear=2003&strDept=20

Contains this retraction:


According to Bob Woodwards Bush at War, Bush attended a New York Yankees game soon after the September 11 World Trade Center disaster. He wore a firemans jacket. As he threw out the first pitch, the crowd roared. Thousands of fans stuck out their arms with thumbs up.

Karl Rove, sitting in the box of Yankee owner George Steinbrenner, likened the roar of the crowd to a Nazi rally.

Apparently he would know.

*Due to the retraction of allegations by a source in the original version of the story, Dr. Fitrakis and Mr. Wasserman have reworked this article. For additional comments about the Rove allegations, and the original version of this text, please view our Letters to the Editor: www.freepress.org/departments.php?strFunc=display&strDept=10


There's enough real dirt out there linking the Bushes with Nazi Germany and the int'l fascist movement. Until we can come up with a better source for the Rove-Nazi grandfather angle, we might avoid repeating it.

Anyone know of another source for this?



:bounce:
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:04 AM
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41. This is "real dirt" & has NOT been retracted by anyone.
Newsweek article on Bush/Nazi connection
Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951 - Federal Documents
Karl Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp,
still, that's ancient history. Surely bush wouldn't be repeating the actions of fascist dictators. Or would he?

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:pVPGJ_w8BDMJ:www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bushnazi.htm+Rove%27s+father+nazi&hl=en
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:02 PM
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2. kick
nt
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:02 PM
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3. Don't forget that the only US spacecraft to leave our solar system
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 12:03 PM by bobthedrummer
has a Nazi (Karl Waldheim) speaking on behalf of the people of Earth.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:02 PM
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4. A lot of kids were part of it. It doesn't mean they were all bad
or even wanted to join. If the Nazis were barreling down the street EVERYONE had to salute or there was trouble. Lots of people ran and hid behind buildings so they wouldn't have to do it.

However, I know nothing about this new Pope.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:03 PM
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5. We think alike. I've been viewing * as the fifth column for about 5 years
now. When you view them that way their destructive actions make sense.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:04 PM
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6. And don't forget the Freemasons!!!
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:08 PM
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7. I think I understand the kiss between Laura and George at the funeral now.
I think it was a Satanic ritual and a victory kiss. God, this is scary.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:12 PM
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10. Interesting
Where did you hear that? I didn't know that. :shrug:
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:21 PM
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17. Did you see this thread?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:09 PM
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9. Happy Birthday
April 20
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:16 PM
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11. Isn't it funny
how the new Pope was elected the day before Hitler's birthday and everything with that prediction and the whole rumor of him being tied to the Nazi's? On this other board I go on someone was posting and saying how the people of Germany did NOT want him to be Pope. They said they saw some special on the guy and according to the special they claimed to not find ties to him with the Nazi's. I asked where they saw it so I'll report back after.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 07:17 PM
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28. Can someone show me the part of the prediciton that stated he would
be attached to the Nazis
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:25 PM
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:07 PM
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15. That MAY be so, but, as an adult he certainly supports theo-fascism today.
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 01:08 PM by blm
I will judge him exactly for his own philosophies as an adult. Since his adult philosophy comports with the authoritarian fascist, I have no problem with my original post.

I KNOW the fundie Catholics well. It was the Catholic fundamentalists in the US that even support the White Supremacist movement. I KNOW because my mother joined with these fools back in the early 70s and turned away from the Catholic teachings of faith, hope and charity, and became a political arch-conservative in the name of a far-right brand of catholicism that took over her life.

They scorn the catholics who do the real work of the Lord, the ones who feed, clothe and nurse the poor and the weak.

Not all criticisms of a CERTAIN Catholicism come from those who haven't known it.

Why do YOU not recognize the difference between the two different types of Catholics?

BTW...I would love your post to stay, so you really should edit out the name-calling.
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:10 PM
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16. And that kid stayed with the Nazi army
in and out until 1945.

Try to educate yourself first.

Next up, I don't know how thinking a man who served the Nazi army for two years with no resistance (while JP2 was in a camp FOR resistance) and has since come out as an avowed anti-Semite who thinks that all Jews are Hellbound and even entering a synagogue is a mortal sin implies one is a Klansman. Keep the attacks down a notch.

Third, learn to spell asinine.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:00 PM
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14. Heart is broken.
So, what do we do about the future?

BTW: I'm a Roman Catholic.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 10:46 AM
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34. Just remember he is very, very old
We will be treated to another extravagant death-watch before too long.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:24 PM
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18. I am livid, as all of you should be...
Jews, Catholics, Muslims, GLBT community, disabled... EVERYONE should be outraged damn it. Bush is busy making sure disabled and other "undesirables" are being starved out here and now we have a Nazi pope to lead Europe along with the US. This faux "let's support the pope" is really upsetting me. Catholics were rounded up too and the church turned its face away. I am pissed damn it!!!!
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 02:44 PM
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19. I don't think people realize, the Nazi philosophy NEVER died.
It's still very much alive and the hatred of its message can be heard around the world.

We'd managed to keep it in check for a long time. But now, I'm worried, not just because of the Pope but because of the nexus of power represented by Bush, and the promulgation of hate literature and speeches all over the world.

This is not a time to hide our heads in the sand, or try to pretend these are free speech issues.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 04:09 PM
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20. Yep and if Jews don't get up in protest on this
I will really be pissed off.
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 05:38 PM
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22. Well, here's one:) nt
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 04:27 PM
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21. There are 6+ billion people on Earth.
It's not like there is nowhere else to look for prospective leaders. What's the f'ing deal with all the Nazi residue?
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New Dealer Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 05:41 PM
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23. Ratzinger joined Hitler youth at 14 because it was mandatory n/t
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 05:43 PM
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24. They've been at this all day...inconvenient facts won't stop them.
Don't waste your time.

But hey, welcome to DU!!!
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 07:00 PM
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25. THEM? Try this on for size...
He stayed AFTER his tour
He has never apologized for it
Bush pushed him as the "front runner" (Bush family Nazi financial ties, k?)

If that were not enough, he does not acknowledge any "church" or religion as validate outside of the Catholic church.

Do tell me who "they" are as I am anxious to get together with the rest of "them" to plan the new world order.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 11:24 AM
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36. "Stayed after his tour"? What are you talking about?
WW2 wasn't Vietnam. There's no "tour"...German soldiers had three ways to get home: in victory, defeat, or in a box.

Listen, I'm not defending the man as a pope. But there's loads of false perceptions about his service and what average citizens faced in wartime Germany floating about, and if you're judging him on THAT, then you're missing the bigger story.

The man's the worse choice they could have made, and not for what he did as a teenaged boy. Look at the big picture.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 09:51 PM
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37. tour, okay...
I used wrong wording as I am not up on my German conscription terminology... whatever. The point is he stayed on voluntarily. Frankly, even if this is not the issue, the rest is... namely, that all other religions are a heresy or are inferior to his, his views on homosexuality, and also I might add his little help with the Bush camp in the "deny communion" thing. I am tired and frankly, sick of this entire conversation. He was a poor choice on many levels and I think I have some company in that sentiment.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 07:21 PM
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29. And what is forcing him to be a proponent of authoritarian fascism today?
.
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 07:15 PM
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26. I wonder if Ratzinger was one of these people
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 07:30 PM
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30. Recommmended (#2)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 10:47 AM
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35. are you saying that the Vatican plans to invade russia?
Don't forget Poland!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 10:03 PM
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38. And today was Hitler's birthday
April 20, 1889!

What was it about the Beast of Apocalypse that everyone thought was slained?
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:17 AM
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39. Germany owns the EU
and Bush reminded us not to forget Poland....hmmmmm

:crazy:

You people are like those right wing "black helicopter" conspiracy nuts. Get a grip! Geez!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:01 AM
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40. So we're conspiracy theorists or are some of you coincidence theorists?
I think it is WAY too much of a coincidence that RevMoon sought out Klaus Barbie in SA, and allied with him for years, is also a 40+ year strong ally of the Bush family and now controls UPI, much of the DC media support companies, and now controls half this nation's fishing industry.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:06 AM
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42. Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed
Unfortunately, Corporate McPravda doesn't want to touch it with a ten-foot Dutchman.

Of course, Poppy's little turd from Crawford ruled that no one can see pretzeldentul papers, ever.



Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed

By by John Buchanan
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 1, October 10, 2003

WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury and FBI, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial baron for nearly eight months after the U.S. entered the war.

No Story?

For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.

The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.

CONTINUED...

http://nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_Link
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