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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:43 AM
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The New Pope Is Ratzinger FUCK!!
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 11:45 AM by Quixote1818
Nt
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:44 AM
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1. There goes progress!
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:31 PM
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61. LOL. Progress from religion?
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:44 AM
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2. I am so angry.
...
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:45 AM
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Just another example of how out of touch the Church is.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:02 PM
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34. I'm just wondering how they'll deal with prochoice
politicians or Democratic pols in general. Ratzinger is an ultra far right hardliner, and the increasingly harsh tone of papal pronouncements over the past year bespeak his authorship of many of them.

The only worse choice would have been that Nigerian nutcase who wanted to excommunicate Kerry for running as a Democrat.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:04 PM
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37. Expect excommunication
It will be a Papal decree that any politician that supports reproductionve freedom be excommunicated.

Count on it.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:09 PM
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43. Too bad they already did that to me... in absentia.
Because I have the audacity to believe there's
exactly as much God in me as in any of them.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:48 AM
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70. Spoken like a true heretic
If god is in me, why the heck would I need the RC Church?

That's what they are afraid of, isn't it?
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:45 AM
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3. Gawd NO!
How could they?

He's practically a Nazi, he's so rightwing.

I feel sorry for every poor woman on the planet, and everyone else too.

Sue
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:46 AM
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9. wasn't he really a nazi? didnt he sign up at 14? n/t
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:48 AM
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14. This b@stard WAS a Nazi!!!!
My hands I wash clean of the Catholic Church. :cry:
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:43 AM
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67. You tell 'em! n/t
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Charon Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 08:18 AM
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73. Nazi
Where is your proof that he was a member of the Nazi Party.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:45 AM
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4. Oooooh what a surprise!
I'm so shocked. Really.

:sarcasm:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:45 AM
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5. Pope Benedict the 16th
And the Malachy prophecies play out...
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:52 AM
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21. self fulfilling prophecies
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:52 AM
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24. Yeah that's weird....it does follow prophecy
The question is whether they intentionally picked him to fullfil it, in which case the catholic church is aiming for the end of the world soon....

http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

Here's what he said abotu this pope...

"Gloria oliv"
The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order.

Benedict the 16th.

Freaky.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:16 PM
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46. Could another interpretation be
this is the next to last pope? And that the "last pope" just means that, the last pope? The Catholic Church decides for some reason not to have popes anymore? (rather than the "end of the world" interpretation. Just asking - I'm a lapsed Protestant, so I'm talkin' out my ass!)
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:23 PM
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51. No I don't see how
it's the last pope listed in the 'prophecy' and it says

In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.

(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)

That seems pretty much 'Finis' to me. Though some are saying that this means that the next (and last) pope will be named Peter and that no other pope has been named peter. Thing is they're thinking like his POPE name will be peter. What if his middle name is Peter and he's originally from rome or something like that. Lots of ways you could fit that in.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:26 PM
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52. According to Catholic Doctrine, one Pope was named Peter.
The first Pope.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:45 AM
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:33 PM
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55. We can hope not but here is a link
http://aoreport.com/200504news_rccpapalprophecy.htm

I don't know how good the source is, but could this one (111) be the antichrist in the Malachy prophesy?

Hey, look at that, the number 111. I have seen that number someplace before, where did I see that? A Illuminati number maybe?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:45 AM
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6. The Pope Is A NAZI!! The Pope Is A NAZI!! Too Fucking Funny!!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:45 AM
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7. Crap
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:46 AM
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8. Yawn. The Pope is a Nazi
and you're surprised?

RL
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:47 AM
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Trouble With A Capital T
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:27 PM
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59. That starts with T and rhymes with P and that stands for Pope!
:evilgrin:
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:38 PM
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63. Thank You...
... I'm glad someone got it, and finished the line for me!
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:32 AM
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65. any time!
One of my favorite musicals ever! :)
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michaelhopewell Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:49 AM
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16. please
show some respect and tolerance some of us are catholic and Democrats!!!!
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:50 AM
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19. How Does That Disrespect You...
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 11:51 AM by arwalden
... who are democrats and catholics? What exactly about that statement was disrespectful to you?
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:50 AM
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20. No.
Get over it.

This one will die soon and I won't miss him either.

RL
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:03 PM
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36. I am a Catholic and a LIBERAL Democrat
and picking Ratzinger sucks BIGTIME for the church and for us.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:16 PM
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47. Huh!
It is FACT that this dude was Hitler Youth. It is also a FACT that this dude is now the Pontiff. So please kindly explain how saying the Pope is a Nazi actually affect Catholic Dems? Thank you!

Tolerance? Maybe you should try writing the church and asking them to show tolerance to a womans right of choice. Maybe you should also include in this letter that they should be showing tolerance to gays. After all, we are ALL God's children!
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:19 PM
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50. It is also FACT
that being in the Hitler Youth was REQUIRED of all young Germans during that time. Are you going to hold it against every child who was forced into indoctrination?

Sheesh. Do some reading.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:15 PM
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56. Mate!
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 01:19 PM by foreigncorrespondent
I do a hell of a lot of reading.

By the way, this can and is considered a personal attack! So I suggest you do some reading. Reading of DU rules that is.

On edit: It is also a FACT that this dude served with the Nazi's until after he was 18. It is also a FACT that this dude still believes in a lot of what he learned during his Hitler youth days!
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:25 PM
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58. Saying its a FACT doesn't make it a FACT
All children were required to join the Hitler Youth, there's a FACT.

Ad hominem attacks are not FACTS.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:31 PM
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62. Oh boy!
Ok then, if saying it doesn't make it a fact, then don't turn around in your second breath and use that very word, you are denying me using.

I stated well known TRUTHS! Don't like it, tough! Nothing I can do. I cannot change history!
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:50 AM
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71. LOL, no, but the fact that it is a fact makes it a fact. Why do you
insist on defending this egocentric old Nazi who has never expressed any regret over his Nazi service, nor ever said Hitler was wrong to attempt genocide? Why do you want to defend him? Just because some corrupt fat old pediphiles voted him Poop in the hopes it would further their own positions of power? If you don't see coruption here, you are not looking.
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Charon Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 08:21 AM
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74. Service
So did millions of Germans. Do that mean any German over the age of 14 in 1941 should be considered a Nazi?
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 09:08 AM
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77. If...
...they were conscripted and continued on with service to Hitler AFTER their 18th birthday. The proceeded to wait until Hitler shot himself before doing anything. Then later in life preaches what he learned during his Nazi years, then yes, they should be.

But you find me another German, who served in Hitler youth, only to leave once Hitler offed himself. Then rose high enough in the Catholic church to be elected Pope in 2005. Good luck with your task!
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:47 AM
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69. If your catholic and a democrat the Rat Zinger Nazi Poop wants you to
change your voting habits or forego communion.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:47 AM
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10. SIEG HOLY!!
A Hitler Youth, neocon Pope. That's just lovely.

Looks like Bush the Antichrist got his False Prophet.
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:48 AM
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13. They must have used Diebold machines
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:49 AM
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15. OD are really happy cult right now...
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:52 AM
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27. along with the * administration and plenty of other con/neocon forces
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:49 AM
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17. The White House must be celebrating
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:52 AM
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25. Yep
Maybe John Paul II was right about Bushie. Is this the Pope Bush was hoping for?
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Charon Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 08:25 AM
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76. JPII
Pope John Paul II elevated Ratzinger to the rank of Cardinal. He also appointed him as the Dean of the Collage of Cardinals.
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michaelhopewell Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:53 AM
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29. rule # 3
please read it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:00 PM
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:47 AM
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11. As an atheist I just want to say
BOOOOO!!! Bad choice!! You blew it cardinals! You could have been a force for good and chosen someone even atheists would be cheered by. But you chose a Nazi. Brilliant move.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:48 AM
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12. Um, did you see the name he chose?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:52 AM
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26. help me out: what is the significance of the name?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:09 PM
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42. Google "Benedict Opus Dei"
Then Google "Benedict corporal mortification" :puke:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:10 PM
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44. Some significance of the name...
...well, not sure why he picked benedict (other than the fact that it's a treasonous name in my opinion), but the name sometimes reflects the future ideology of the pope. Had he picked John Paul III, it would signal that he wanted to continue the ways of the previous John Paul II. Stuff like that.

Not sure why he picked Benidict, but personally I have lost a ton of respect for the catholic church.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:49 AM
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18. WHY? This is so wrong!
Would you just look at this guy??



not good....not good.....
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:52 AM
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22. He looks Scarry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:52 AM
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23. Looks Creepy... Looks Like A Perv.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:53 AM
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28. I am SERIOUSLY creeped out by this guy.
There's really no words for it. I'm watching him on TV, and getting seriously chills up my spine. He feels like Evil with a capital "E".

I'm not even Catholic.
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:53 AM
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30. I'm Catholic and I Think This Sucks
A hardcore conservative who, since he basically was the rudder behind JPII's hard conservative turn, will keep the church away from too, too many basic reforms that absolutely MUST be done.

The only thing that gives me hope, and forgive me for saying so, is that he's 78 and picked a name from one of the shorter papal reigns in recent history, which tells me he's basically a short-term caretaker while the political infighting amongst the rest of the cardinals -- especially the third-worlders -- will be toiling.

A sad choice, but perhaps not a long one.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:01 PM
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33. That's why
I'm sort of glad I'm not Catholic and am with a church that doesn't have a main leader over the whole church and each church can rule itself.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:06 PM
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40. I totally agree with you....
may it be a short one for the sake of my Church.I don't think Jesus would be too happy with this. But then I don't believe he really wanted popes like we have now either.
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:55 AM
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31. And he's a benedictine! Looks like Malacy was right
"It is also possible that The Next Pope, # 111, will be from The Order of St. Benedict, known as The "Olivetans" = "Olive's Glory". He could promote Benedictine Beliefs and reign for a short time, either killed or die in an accident."

From: http://www.satansrapture.com/pope112.htm
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:02 PM
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35. Creepy
Does this person say anything about the now times?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:06 PM
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39. Oh, that's the connection.
This is fecking scary, man, since the next one is the LAST in the order.

Of course, the Tibetan Buddhists say in a few short years aliens are going to come and safe us from ourselves, so there is that. Which would also account for the end of the papacy. ;)
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Shanty Oilish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:18 PM
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49. He is not a Benedictine nt
:)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:29 PM
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53. So what do you think the "Olive" connection
might be?
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 08:00 AM
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72. It's Malachy
and I'm creeped out. The Church has never denounced this particular prophecy which means something. That Ratzinger would choose the name Benedict is indicative that he if not the whole Heirarchy believes the prophecy to be true. WRT to the authenticity of the prophecy, it is debateable since malachi's prophecies were not "discovered" until four hundred years after the fact. Also debatable is the mention of "Olive's Glory" altogether. The Benedictines supposedly said that the last pope would come from their order, which Ratzinger does not.

This needs further study.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:06 PM
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38. Wonderful ! Ratzi the Nazi.
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 12:22 PM by KC21304
This Catholic is stunned. I really didn't think they would do it.


Speaking for myself, as a Catholic, I am referring to Ratzinger's record as an enforcer of his distorted view of Catholic dogma, not his stint in the Hitler Youth.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:16 PM
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48. I want a re-count! Nice Nick Name!!!! nt
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Charon Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 08:23 AM
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75. Enforcer
He was appointed to that position by JPII. I suspect because his view of Church doctrine pretty well matched with JPII's views on doctrial issues.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:07 PM
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41. I the good side of this - the guy is like 78 years old already...
...so I highly doubt he'll server 26 years like John Paul II did.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:10 PM
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45. Thanks for cheering me up. Perhaps he will be so controversial around
the world their will be a backlash and the next Pope will be more Progressive. Boy am I a wishful thinker.
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:32 PM
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54. Sinister looking
Seriously, the guy gives me the creeps. Never puch much credence in things like the Anti-Christ, but if I did Ratzinger would be exactly how I picture him.

On occasion John Paul could look benign and friendly. Not so Ratzinger. Can't you just see the scheming and plotting little wheels turning inside his head?



Presenting oneself to receive Holy Communion should be a conscious decision, based on a reasoned judgement regarding ones worthiness to do so, according to the Churchs objective criteria, asking such questions as: "Am I in full communion with the Catholic Church? Am I guilty of grave sin? ... The practice of indiscriminately presenting oneself to receive Holy Communion, merely as a consequence of being present at Mass, is an abuse that must be corrected

The Church teaches that abortion or euthanasia is a grave sin. ...

Oh, and I LOVE this next part:

Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion ... There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.

Regarding the grave sin of abortion or euthanasia, when a persons formal cooperation becomes manifest (understood, in the case of a Catholic politician, as his consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws), his Pastor should meet with him, instructing him about the Churchs teaching, informing him that he is not to present himself for Holy Communion until he brings to an end the objective situation of sin, and warning him that he will otherwise be denied the Eucharist

Yes, the church's position is that going to war with Iraq and capital punishment is wrong (but we'll look the other way ... wink wink)
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60. Why all the shock, people?
The Cardinals were NOT going to pick some reformist liberal. It was always going to be a conservative. They just went with the hardest hardliner they could find. The Church will continue to be what it has been for ther past 25 years, but with a less pleasant face. Its downward spiral will continue unabated.
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:42 AM
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66. He's a nazi, and a protector of pedophiles. Look for a revival of the
Inquisition.
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