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jlucu Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:15 AM
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Aluminum Tubes
Bush also mentioned the aluminum tubes in his speech....this had also been debunked long before before the SOTU...right????

Will they talk about that - wouldn't that put this completely over the edge?
I remember watching the SOTU and yelling at the TV when he mentioned the tubes...what is going on!?!?!

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:37 AM
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1. Sure could use a snip of
that from his speech. I don't remember that. If you are correct this is another lie.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:50 AM
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4. Here you go
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

And this is from Mohammed ElBaradei's IAEA Report, dated 1/8/03:

"Aluminium Tubes

8. In response to IAEA questioning, the Iraqi authorities indicated that unsuccessful attempts had been made in 2001 and 2002 to procure high-strength aluminium tubes in connection with a programme aimed at reverse engineering 81-millimetre rockets.

9. With a view to verifying information provided by Iraq on this issue, the IAEA has conducted a series of inspections at sites involved in the production and storage of reverse engineered rockets, held discussions with and interviewed Iraqi personnel, taken samples of aluminium tubes, and begun a review of the documentation provided by Iraq relating to contracts with the traders.

10. While the matter is still under investigation, and further verification is foreseen, the IAEA's analysis to date indicates that the specifications of the aluminium tubes sought by Iraq in 2001 and 2002 appear to be consistent with reverse engineering of rockets. While it would be possible to modify such tubes for the manufacture of centrifuges, they are not directly suitable for it. It should be noted, however, that the attempted acquisition of such tubes is prohibited under paragraph 24(a) of resolution 687 (1991), which, inter alia, proscribes the supply to Iraq of components of arms and related matériel."

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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:53 AM
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6. Further, scientists had already expressed skepticism
That the tubes could be used in centrifuges. The administration expected them to remain silent as it charged ahead with its collection of bogus info.
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lkinsale Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:42 AM
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2. Yeah, this "it was only 1 sentence" is baloney
Even the WH admitted that the aluminum tubes lie was more controversial among the speech-writers than the African claim.

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WEagle Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:50 AM
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5. here's the quote,
it directly followed the african claim.

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.

Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:47 AM
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3. I have aluminum tubes
but they attach to the vacuum cleaner.
Should I be worried?
:scared:
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WEagle Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:03 PM
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7. This is important
because it's a clear and calculated untruth that shows a pattern. Can't have all the eggs in one basket. Move on? Ok, how about those aluminum tubes? And there are more "eggs" than these. We MUST keep hammering away and show the pattern, the MO.
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