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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:30 PM
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This is for the idiots who say that Clark supported the War!
This is a NON CLARK webstite showing Clark's comments and standings on the war.

http://www.issues2000.org/Wesley_Clark.htm

Wesley Clark on War & Peace

Avoid Bush's unilateralism and work with our allies. (Sep 8)
Exit strategy in Iraq won't work if we invade its neighbors. (Sep 8)
We went into Iraq under false pretenses. (Aug 17)
Get the Iraqis involved in taking responsibilities. (Jul 9)
Iraq distracts from the War on Terror. (Jun 27)
Need Marshall Plan for Middle East and Afghanistan. (Jun 17)
Israel: bring in Syria and Iran into peace talks. (Jun 17)
Include moderate Arabs in US-led Mideast contact group. (Jun 15)
Be wary of abridging civil rights to fight terrorism. (Jun 15)
Allies are key to victory in war on terror, not obstacles. (Sep 2002)
Allies are key to victory in war on terror, not obstacles. (Sep 2002)
NATO was the reason for our victory in Kosovo. (Sep 2002)
Palestinians decided to return to terrorism after 2000. (Mar 2002)
Solution to terrorism is not bullets but world community. (Oct 2001)
Kosovo success shows military can achieve humanitarian goal. (Jul 2001)
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VaLabor Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:39 PM
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1. Interesting!
All of these dates are after the "major combat phase" ended.

He sounded pretty upbeat about the war during earlier phases. See the FAIR threads.
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Jackhammer Jesus Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:48 PM
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7. Uh, obviously you're not reading this...
Shit, I didn't realize the "major combat phase" ended in 2001!

Try paying attention to facts over personal biases, mmkay? :D
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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:41 PM
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2. For Heaven's Sake
What's so hard about saying : This for those who say that Clark supported the war.

And get it together. He's entered the fray, and that means- ta da- that he's going to get attacked. By all means, respond to it, but don't start out by calling names.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:44 PM
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3. yup
the folks at FAIR never struck me as idiots.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:45 PM
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4. They Were VERY Anti-Kosovo
And they had a major axe to grind with anyone associated with it.

They also implied there was no difference between Bush and Gore, IIRC. Which is UNfair and untrue.

DTH
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:25 PM
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25. guess I'm an idiot
because I was also "anti-Kosovo" as you put it. ..go figure..

but thanks for bringing me up to date on my intellectual capacity.

:think: :think: :think: :think: :think:
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:31 PM
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28. You Said It, Not Me (eom)
DTH
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:52 PM
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13. They struck ME as idiots when they promoted the "no difference" in 2000
(cover of print edition had bush/Gore's heads springing from one body). They strike me as idiots once again, since they are helping bush once again, even after seing the results of their 2000 smears.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:04 PM
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19. helping Bush?
how is that? I didn't realise quoting Clark helped Bush. Are you saying the quotes are untrue? My take is that they are calling the media on declaring him an "antiwar" candidate.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:46 PM
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5. hey idiot
Why can't I just listen to Clark instead of you?
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:47 PM
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6. Listen to Clark All You Want
You know, the ACTUAL appearances and not the BS, context-lacking, misleading-title FAIR hack job.

DTH
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:49 PM
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8. it's what he said!
"Their opponents, those who questioned the necessity or wisdom of the operation, are temporarily silent, but probably unconvinced."

That's what he said! Was he including himself!

You love Clark all you want to but either you have just drank way too much of the kool-aid or you are trying to spin something you can't spin.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:50 PM
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11. He was talking about how the operation was run..
as a MILITARY ANALYST for CNN. Why can't you extremists get that through your head.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:53 PM
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14. can you read that sentence again..
and tell me how anyone with any serious reservations about this war could make that statement without either being an opportunistic liar or paranoid schizophrenic.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:51 PM
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12. What The Hell Is Wrong With This Quote?
He was stating a fact. He was not slamming them (which would have been a neat trick, considering he was ONE of them). He was not saying the Admin was right.

Please read more carefully.

DTH
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:53 PM
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15. why is his mouth open..
if he is a critic?
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:55 PM
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17. He Was a MILITARY ANALYST for CNN!
That was his JOB, to analyze the war for CNN! Why do you think his mouth was open?

Christ, what is with people here?

DTH
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:02 PM
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18. it's his Job to say that Bush critics were wrong?
It's not me that has a problem with their cognitive function. That is absolutely out of the military realm and contradicts everything he said.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:06 PM
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21. WHERE Does He Say They're Wrong?!?
He doesn't at all. Christ, read more carefully, please.

DTH
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:20 PM
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23. DTH don't try to change these peoples minds.
They're almost as stubborn as christian fundamentalists, and it will drive you nuts debating them.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:23 PM
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24. I'm not stupid..
Their opponents, those who questioned the necessity or wisdom of the operation, are temporarily silent, but probably unconvinced."

I don't even give a damn, I think all the candidates are lying, little weasels but don't pretend this one isn't.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:28 PM
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27. well duh!
you can't change the mind of an 'idiot' now can you?
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:49 PM
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9. lol
Ok good idea.

www.digitalclark.com
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:50 PM
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10. HaHa I found a quote where the DNC is mad at Clark
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 06:51 PM by OKNancy
and says the only person who would want to be seen with Clark was Howard Dean.
-----------------
Since the outbreak of Operation Iraqi Freedom, Clark has been on CNN, bemoaning the Pentagon and Gen. Tommy Franks's strategy in the opening days of taking down Saddam. And while several other senior retired military men have made critical comments about the ongoing fighting -- Ret. Gen. Barry McCaffrey, another former Clinton-era official, has been quick to criticize during his stints on MSNBC -- Clark has by far been the most vocal.

"It just looks really bad that he's knocking the troops and the way we're executing this war," says the DNC staffer. "He's taking hits everywhere, on TV, in the newspapers, on talk radio. People are furious at him. We can't fundraise off performances like this. The only presidential candidate that would probably want to be seen with him is Howard Dean."

Prior to Clark's "tanking" on CNN, the DNC had Clark pegged for political stardom. He'd visited New Hampshire, and had hinted that he was interested in perhaps running for president as a Democrat. Now, the DNC isn't sure what they can do with the man who directed Bill Clinton's military machinations in Kosovo.

http://www.spectator.org/article.asp?art_id=2003_3_27_2...

edit: this is dated March 28, 2003
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:54 PM
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16. That would be 5 days after the start of the war, non? Fair is full of S*
(Me thinks IAC is directing this)
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:27 PM
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26. Dispute anything they said
or we can leave your assertions on the heap with your vote from 2000
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:05 PM
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20. Welcome to the club
Fending off this kind of stuff is an everyday reality for us Dean supporters.

:hi:
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southern democrat Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:37 PM
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30. What chaps my ass is that we have Democrats who buy into this
Rush Limbaugh style propaganda bullshit without having watched Clark on CNN.It's easy to go back and cipher through the transcripts and pick and choose lines and paragraphs to paint a pro or negitive reaction.At least Republicans will have a problem trying to do this,because they would come off anti-war themselves pushing this crap.His position has not changed at no time regarding this war.He was agianst it from the get go.He knew the reality was Bush was going in come hell or high water,if any American wanted this misson to fail after it had allready had started they are sorry than hell in my book.While Clark was agianst the war he like the vast majority of Americans did not want the mission to fail.If anybody wants to critize Clark because he supported the troops and was cautiously optimistic thats their right.But we as Democrats need to get off this hoping for failure of our nation so we can have opportunity for our causes.To fault Clark for wanting this to succede is ludricris and it casts our party and causes in a bad light and dooms us to failure as well.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:19 PM
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22. Many on the far left prefer Bush to any Democrat
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 07:19 PM by Democat
Nader lives.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:36 PM
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29. locking
You can repost without calling people idiots. Thank you.
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