Who would you be more willing support Boxer and Hillary for President?

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[jasmeel]

1. ME! I like Edwards though too!

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4. I'm not asking for Edwards

just wondering who you would prefer if it would be a woman, Boxer or Hillary?

[Amy6627]

2. Boxer. Hilary is Repuke light! n/t

[Warpy]

23. She's fine where she is

representing all the yuppies in eastern New York. She's perfect for them.

However, she doesn't have a chance nationally because there is too much knee jerking when her name comes up. Alas, Boxer also has little chance because this country is simply not ready to have a woman in the to job.

It's really far too soon to be speculating about anyone else. I'm pretty sure that royal entitlement will be played out on the GOP side and they'll run Jebbie. However, there's a lot to do on our side and it's really too soon to be thinking about 2008 except in terms of getting rid of crooked voting machines.

[libnnc]

3. Boxer, Edwards, for sure...

I'm luke-warm on Mrs. R-C.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. If I had to

choose I would Boxer. She's awesome. I do like Mrs. Clinton as a person and all that but I don't think she's ready to be a president yet personally. :shrug:

[n2mark]

7. Boxer for me

The reason for Boxer, as I am seeing it now, she doesn't play games. She has values and sticks with them- not afraid of confrontation. We Dems need to have someone who is not afraid of confrontation. My belief with Dean as the DNC leader, Boxer as a Presidential candidate will lead to quite an interesting race.

[jasmeel]

5. And the Hillary hatred is a HUGE mobilizer!

[n2mark]

9. Not sure what you mean

Are you saying Hillary is a huge mobilizer for the pukes to continue their power? Most people I know in AZ do not like Hillary. There are too many skeletons in her closet along with Bill. Bill is not an asset for her. Bill's mistakes are going to bite her in the butt.

[libnnc]

10. zactly...

the RW has made a cottage industry out of demonizing her. They've been salivating for her to run for years. Why play into their hands? I think we should give them someone they're not expecting and havent had 12 years to develop a playbook on. Boxer would be great.

[napi21]

8. Hillary. She is much more political savy.

I love Barbara! She's a great Senator, and we can always count on her to make the opposition squirm. HOwever, in a national election where the opposition throws everything at you including the sink, she gets too excited. It has a great place in a committee hearing, on the Senate floor, or doing a Press conference, but I don't think it would be a good thing in a primary or presidential debate.

[n2mark]

14. My belief

Hillary is going to take the backlash of Bill. I just can hear it now. Whitewater is going to re-appear and all the other old stuff. I just can't see her winning the nomination. Guess she should stay where she is now. Monica will re-appear. Don't know, guess there are too many skeletons in the closet for the neocon media to attack.

[napi21]

21. Oh, I don't disagree with you, but the question was which one

would I support, Boxer or Clinton. I was just voicing my opinion of those two.

I think you're right as far as Hillary is concerned, but I doubt Boxer could win the primary either.

[shindig]

36. Boxer could win the primary

It's the general election I don't think she could win.

Hillary's a fighter. Hillary's been tested as a campaigner under intense high-profile scrutiny and fire. She was given no chance to win in New York because of her baggage, because of her carpet bagger status, because of her this and because of her that.

While the media scrutiny took place, she went door to door in New York, and while under great adversity and attack, she fired people up, garnered their support and she won. If she wins in New York in 2006, she will be ripe do the same thing on a national scale. That is, she might able to garner a sort of sympathy vote, where people say, you know what, these republicans are full of it, and Hillary's ideas and demeanor are good for the country. Fuck the republicans, I'm voiting for Hillary. She can take a licking and keeps on ticking. I'm going to vote for her, because she can take a hit. (That's how her husband won in 1992, btw. Ross Perot didn't hurt, I'm aware of that. But the last George Bush moron didn't destroy the country quite as badly as this one either. What I mean is the country might very well be really, really ready for a change by 2008, and our candidate might not need a Ross Perot taking away votes from the republican, like he did in 1992.)

By 2008, the republican smear routine might very well be stale enough from a mass media/mass appeal point of view for a democratic win to occur. But the democrat must be a fighter, willing to take on whatever they throw at him or her, AND WILLING TO FIGHT THE FUCK BACK!

Hillary, like her husband did in 1992, and did throughout his presidency, WILL FIGHT! She's proved it already, as she kept her honor and dignity in tact while first lady, and then with her surprise victory for senate in 2000.

I like Barbara Boxer, and have awesome and great respect for her standing up like she did on the election fraud, and on the moron monkey in the white house's bizarre appointments, etc..., BUT, I think Ms. Boxer, unfortunately, comes off as a bit flakey in the eyes of "mass amerika." You can't ignore how the candidats themselves appears to people who are different than we are, but who we need, nonetheless, to win the general election. The republicans and the media do what they do to influence. But how the candidate himself or herself APPEARS to MASS AMERICA, when the candidate talks and acts must be included into the equation, if one wants to actually win the general election for high office nationally.

The republicans might come up with a candidate for 2008, who is actually more appealing than this monkey in the white house ever could be. To win, we will need a candidate who appears more centrist, in order to appeal to some republicans and blue dog democrats who might be, by 2008, really ready to change.

Huff and puff all you want about progressive candidates. I love them, and I plan to work for them, like Howard Dean wants me to on the local level. But to win the general election for president, you need a left of center candidate WHO FIGHTS, as opposed to the supposedly "safe guys" we went with in 2004, who whined and complained here and there about the poor, and went wind surfing, and whined about Dick Cheney's abusive tactics, and cried and whined all the way through it...and lost. (Well, call it ironic if you must, but I'm with the crowd who thinks the election was stolen with the black boxes in Ohio and maybe in Florida as well, but that's a whole nother story.)

Hillary will not let these guys off the hook, like Kerry and Edwards did. Hillary will not whine, she will tell Dick Cheney to stop doing what he's doing and to stop doing that NOW!!!!I think Hillary will fight to fix the black box voting headache. I think Hillary will go on offense and have a way more effective defensive strategy than Kerry and Edwards did, if she becomes a serious candidate. If she runs, I would seriously consider voting for her in our primary, because I think, at this point, that it is either she or Wes Clark who will fight hard enough to win the general election. If they both run, I will be torn on who to support in the primary.

Personally, I'd like to see a Hillary/Clark ticket. That ticket can win a general election for President/Vice President, IMHO. Or vice or versa. The republicans will always find shit to throw at our candidates. How our candidate responds determines whether they have whatever it takes to win the general election. A guy like Clark couldn't win the democratic primary, (too scarey for democrats), could have beat Bush in the general election by providing a greater amount of the needed swing vote. Hillary can do the same, I think.

She has a lot of baggage, yes. But for a woman with so much baggage, the republicans are petrified of her, you'll notice. Just as they and the media were petrified of General Clark in 2004, they are afraid of a sort of Hillary-hating backlash biting them in the ass.

Kerry, the republicans longed for, we gave him to them, (because he was our "safe" candidate after Iowa, lol) and they ate him up, as planned. I think a Boxer would be eaten up alive, too. I don't think she would be able to garner enough swing support to survive the republican attack machine. Hillary can do it. In other words, she can turn this so-called hate for her around and make it into a positive. It's called republican over-reaching. They are starting to do that again. Hillary might be in a great position to exploit the republican over-reaching, which is starting to take place, finally, I think.

I envision Boxer more like a Kerry as a viable candidate. Not really that viable at all. I think Kerry did as well as he did, I'm sorry to say, because of the large scale anti-Bush factor. If the republicans put up an appealing candidate in 2008, I think we need a much stronger candidate than Kerry, Edwards or Boxer to have a crack at winning nationally.

[n2mark]

17. Maybe she should include herself in the primary

and let the voters decide? This is a time for a woman President, wonder how she polls with the puke women, anyone know?

[mmmbeer]

11. Boxer- more progressive AND less baggage! nt

[Conservativesux]

18. Agreed. Boxer is the woman for the job.

Hillary has way to much baggage, just for starters.

[burn the bush]

12. Boxer no question

[Career Prole]

13. Barbara Boxer's walkin' the walk, which is all too rare these days.

I'd prefer her.

[n2mark]

15. Yes!

Is she interested in running for President? Walking the talk, great ad for B Boxer. After this corruption in the WH having someone walking the talk could truly be refreshing.

[satya]

16. Boxer all the way! n/t

[Patchuli]

19. Barbara Boxer all the way, baybeh!

I'm proud she is my senator! :kick: I've written to her and told her she is the only one who kept me in the party after the last election!

[bvar22]

20. Hillary would make a good Republican president...

Boxer would make a GREAT Democratic president!!!!

[Botany]

22. Any ?s

[readmoreoften]

24. I would vote for Boxer over Clinton...

But I think that Clinton has a much better chance at winning, precisely because she's the candidate people like me prefer less.

Watching Hillary speak the other day made me have faith in a Clinton/Obama ticket. It would actually put the repukes on the defensive in a sense. We can't out testosterone the warmongers with our male candidates, but PR firms don't know how to properly ostracize a female candidate or an African-American one. One step too far with the testosterone, and the candidate will seem like a mother-hating impolite abuser. A Black candidate will stop the repukes from using gays as a wedge with the AA vote (which they are working VERY hard to do).

At first I thought it was madness, but now I actually think a Hillary/Obama ticket would have a shot in a weird way.

Barbara Boxer? I don't know. She's way too sincere.

[MissWaverly]

25. Boxer, definitely

BB for me, she's the one that stood up with us over Ohio, where was Hilary? Also I think that Hilary is republican lite, sad but true.

[Just Me]

26. Boxer. I admire Hillary a LOT. But, Boxer fights for "Just Me".

Hillary is a politically savvy "compromiser".

However, "the people" have been compromised way too much.

I want a politically COURAGEOUS fighter for "the people".

Barbara,...has shown great courage!!!!

[n2mark]

28. Yes

I agree Boxer fights for me (us).

[patricia92243]

27. Was just listening to Hillary read her book "My Life" on an audio book. I

I had forgotten just how much I like and admire her. Without meaning to I have fallen for some of the Republican hype.

She is my choice - no doubt about it.

[patricia92243]

46. Oops! Make that Living History.

[B Calm]

29. I like Boxer. She's the only democrat senator with testicles..

[leesa]

30. Not Hillary. Boxer. yes!

[Liberalgirl788]

32. Boxer VS Clinton

To me, either one would make a great President and do a better job than any Republican they would throw at us.

[mmonk]

31. Boxer

[deacon]

33. clark/boxer. not hillary n/t

[theliberalavenger]

34. I like Boxer better but she can't win...

For that reason it would be a waste to support her and not Hillary. If Hillary runs, she will need all the support she can get.

[never_get_over_it]

35. You don't see Boxer

moving to the right - so there is my answer - Hillary has disappointed me too many times....

[shindig]

37. as the lovely and quite honorable Barbara Boxer might say,

oh, please!

[shadowknows69]

38. Boxer has my support in a heartbeat

NY says we don't want hilary as our President!!

[saltpoint]

39. If those two were the final two choices for the primaries --

-- I'd go with Senator Boxer over Senator Clinton.

I'm jealous of Californians who have Barbara Boxer representing them in the U. S. Senate.

[jwirr]

40. Boxer, if I have only these two to chose from.

[R. A. Fuqua]

41. Either one would be a fantastic president!

I love both these women. I know that some people say Hillary cannot win--but to put it bluntly--she worked her ASS off when she ran for the Senate. She shook every hand, attended every event, raised the money--she worked it. Don't ever underestimate Hillary.

I have to tell you, I went to an event where Hillary spoke--it was amazing. The crowd was not very warm to her at first--and by the end of her speech they were eating out of her hand! She loosened them up and was a master with self depricating humor--it was just amazing.

I am going to repeat myself--don't ever underestimate Hillary. If she wants this--she can win.

Now I have to admit that if I was going to choose our candidate right this moment--she would not be my number one pick--BUT--I have to wait until closer to 2008 before I settle on a candidate. I am still quite fond of Gore--someone who is rarely mentioned here as a top choice (WHY?)....but I am going to wait and see how things shake out....

[Crazy Guggenheim]

42. Boxer Yes! Hillary No. eom.

[bluetrain]

43. Boxer, 100 times over.

Clinton's lost my respect along with my trust. And, if she is the nominee, I will not be voting Democratic in the '08 Presidential election. Not that it really matters unless we've gotten back to transparent vote counting.

[radio4progressives]

44. Neither one. Please stop pushing false choices.

Boxer has finally grown a spine and she's been a great and fierce fighter. But her communication abilities are not quite as erudite as i want in a president.

Hillary is very erudite. And there are times even as recently as last week when i watched a very terrific talk she gave i think it was in Minnesota, (it was broadcast on C-Span) when I'll almost forget that she is a Neo Liberal to the core, instead of an honest to goddess progressive or at the minimum a traditional Liberal.

Last weekend, I was almost spellbound with her incredibly articulate, and passionate speech against this administration and for the all issues she's been fighting for, which she's dedicated her life for the past thirty years - issues that I care about deeply. In fact, i choked up at a certain point and I know she did to, but she recovered with extraordinary skill.

The problem is that her support for the Iraq war, scares me. If she thinks, (like the DLC does) that the Dems must demonstrate and PROVE that we are just as concerned about "Security" as the fascists Repugs are - what we'll have is more endless wars, because the Dems will think they will have to "outdo" the Reeps on this ground.

I hate that. That's what Kerry thought he had to do and it did NOT help his campaign. Apart from massive election fraud, one could argue correctly in my view, that Kerry's position(s) on the war is what lost him the election.

[Piperay]

45. Neither

because there is no way that this country is progressive enough to actually elect a woman as President. It's not going to happen for years and years, unfortunately I will probably not live long enough to see it. :-(

I like them both, Boxer is my Senator and I love her but giving either of them the nomination is going to lose it for the Democrats. I want the Democrats to choose someone next time who is actually electable.

[G_j]

47. Boxer n/t

[Vinca]

48. Put me down for Boxer. She's not afraid to be a Democrat. nt