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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:14 PM
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My elder brother has been going round and round with his
doc lately about being put on anti-diabetic meds, lipitor and the like.

I sent him the website of a 30 year veteran cardiologist, lecturer, nutritionist, a man who knows what is not taught in med school. I will lead him out of this medical voodoo that is being put upon him and bring him to a higher level of understanding about the world of natural health....

http://www.drsinatra.com/c/cholesterol.asp

NEW FDA-APPROVED HEALTH CLAIM
Daily consumption of at least 1.3 grams of phytosterol esters in two meals as part of diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol may reduce the risk of heart disease. (Dr. Sinatra's new and improved Cholesterol Solutions contains a daily amount of 1.3 grams of phytosterol esters.)
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:24 PM
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1. Lipitor is some bad medicine, I agree. Docs hand it out like it is candy..
not informing their patients about the severe side-effects, including death, that these statins drugs can cause.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. It goes back to the patent Merck had for adding Coenzyme Q10
to these statin drugs some 20 odd years ago... needless to say, they didn't act on it... perhaps it was a dollar and cents issue.


I already know what the results of this way too late study will be. Note that the title should read "Statin Induced Cardiomyopathy?"


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14695927
1: Biofactors. 2003;18(1-4):125-7. Related Articles, Links

Statin cardiomyopathy? A potential role for Co-Enzyme Q10 therapy for statin-induced changes in diastolic LV performance: description of a clinical protocol.

Silver MA, Langsjoen PH, Szabo S, Patil H, Zelinger A.

Heart Failure Institute, Division of Cardiology, Department of Medicine, Advocate Christ Medical Center and the University of Illinois/Christ Cardiovascular Disease Fellowship Program, Oak Lawn, IL 60453, USA. [email protected]

Lipid-lowering statins are thought to have a favorable safety profile. Statins inhibit 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl coenzyme A (HMG-CoA) reductase, the rate-limiting step of mevalonate synthesis. Mevalonate is the substrate for further synthesis of cholesterol and Co Enzyme Q10 (CoQ10). CoQ10 plays an important role during oxidative phosphorylation in the myocardial cell. Since myocardial diastolic function is a highly ATP dependent, we reasoned that early changes of diastolic function may be an early marker of ventricular dysfunction.

METHODS: Patients who are to commence on statin therapy will be enrolled in the trial. Baseline measurements of plasma CoQ10, total cholesterol, LDL, HDL, CoQ10/LDL ratio, peak E, peak A velocities, E/A ratio, deceleration time, isovolumetric relaxation time, color M-mode propagation velocity will be performed and patients will then begin to take Oral atorvastatin (Lipitor, Parke-Davis) 20 mg daily for three to six months. All baseline measurement will be repeated after 3 to 6 months of statin therapy.

Those patients demonstrating > 1 measurement of diastolic LV function that worsened during the 3 to 6 months of statin therapy will be supplemented with CoQ10 300 mg. daily for 3 months. A followup echocardiogram and blood CoQ10 level will be measured in patients who received CoQ10 supplementation. RESULTS: Statistical analysis will be performed using the paired t test to compare coenzyme levels and echocardiographic indices at baseline and after treatment and after supplementation.

PMID: 14695927
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Exactly...
... these drugs have serious side effects that develop over time that can cause heart attacks and muscle degeneration.

Supposedly, they are isolated, but from what I read they aren't at all uncommon.

If you know about it (ie, your doctor makes it very clear that if you start getting muscle weakness and cramps, STOP TAKING STATINS IMMEDIATELY) then you'll probably be ok. But lots of doctors neglect to make strong mention of this important fact.
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:59 PM
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6. I take Lipitor,what is the problem? I have had no side effects-yet!
I take 10mg per day. Any info you have would be appreciated.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Side Effects experienced by some, perhaps many. My brother and
a close friend were two.


http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/8525697700573E1885256FBD00508CFF
ACC: Coenzyme Q10 Lessens Muscle-Related Side Effects in Patients on

Statins

By Jill Stein

ORLANDO, FL -- March 7, 2005 -- Patients with significant myopathy who are taking statin therapy have a significant decrease in myopathic pain after 30 days of supplementation with coenzyme Q10, according to results presented here on March 6th at the American College of Cardiology 54th Annual Scientific Session.

Patricia Kelly, DO, Associate Professor of Medicine, University Hospital Medial Center, Stony Brook, New York, United States, randomized in a double-blind design 41 statin-treated patients with myopathic pain to 30 days of supplementation with 400 IU of vitamin E or 100 mg daily of coenzyme Q10.

"Statin treatment markedly reduces cardiac events and mortality," Dr. Kelly said. "However, the reported side effects of treatment include myopathy, muscle damage associated with increased levels of creatinine phosphokinase, and abnormalities of liver function."
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:30 PM
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11. Thanks for the info.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:58 PM
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12. No problem.... the life extension foundation
www.lef.org has some of the more "believeable" info on various supplements/lifestyles vs disease states. I hope you find some help there. Be warned about cholesterol levels that may approach the low end of the scale.... read all you can, learn all you must. There are positives and negatives to many medications... sometimes the adverse effects of a med can be counteracted by the use of a particular supplement as the previous post has revealed.


http://www.mercola.com/2000/sep/10/statins_cancer.htm
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 11:23 PM
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16. At the same time, there are people who read sites like Mercola's..
and come away with notions which I believe are dangerous. I have a chronic skin condition which benefits from sunshine in some people.
There are followers of Mercola who believe that the risk of malignant melanoma is almost never increased by exposure to the sun, unless you are so fair as to personably be an albino, because of some of the articles on his website. I do not believe this to be true; in my mind the evidence goes mostly in the opposite direction. (I'm speaking abt avoiding excessive sun exposure, not forking over billions of $$ to the sun block industry.) My aunt, from the Adriatic seacoast died of malignant melanoma, and it wasn't pretty. Neither was the death of a marathon runner whom I knew.

I think that sometimes people read into sites like Mercola's to find support for something they want to believe, and may read them with even less skepticism than one should have when reading drug company study reports. And I think that can be dangerous. In this particular situation I stopped supporting the official organization for the disease because they allowed one person to continuously post in their forum that people should coat themselves in baby oil and lay in the sun. And there were people who followed her advice. Right before I left these forums, they finally made her put in her signature that she was not a health professional and was only stating an opinion, one that I personally thought was very dangerous.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:46 AM
Response to Reply #16
19. This went on where? At Mercola's site? Shame on this person for
stating such ridiculous advice. I have never been in his forum (if there is one) I try to stick with the NIH, LEF, and other sites that have documented proof, hopefully from clinical trials and the like.

Interesting that here.... Mercola beats up on the fluoride content of green tea... and it seems on the surface that he may be on the right track...
http://www.mercola.com/2000/sep/10/green_tea_fluoride_thyroid.htm

And this in spite of the clinical papers already in existence.... however, many of these are speaking on specific extracts of green tea and not the whole tea with all its potentially unnatural (fluoride) components/additives.


1: Nihal M, Ahmad N, Mukhtar H, Wood GS. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Anti-proliferative and proapoptotic effects of (-)-epigallocatechin-3-gallate on human melanoma: possible implications for the chemoprevention of melanoma.
Int J Cancer. 2005 Apr 20;114(4):513-21.
PMID: 15609335

2: Ravindranath MH, Muthugounder S, Presser N, Viswanathan S. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Anticancer therapeutic potential of soy isoflavone, genistein.
Adv Exp Med Biol. 2004;546:121-65. Review.
PMID: 15584372

3: Einspahr JG, Bowden GT, Alberts DS. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Skin cancer chemoprevention: strategies to save our skin.
Recent Results Cancer Res. 2003;163:151-64; discussion 264-6. Review.
PMID: 12903851

4: Katiyar SK. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Skin photoprotection by green tea: antioxidant and immunomodulatory effects.
Curr Drug Targets Immune Endocr Metabol Disord. 2003 Sep;3(3):234-42. Review.
PMID: 12871030

5: Tosetti F, Ferrari N, De Flora S, Albini A. Related Articles, Links
Free Full Text Angioprevention': angiogenesis is a common and key target for cancer chemopreventive agents.
FASEB J. 2002 Jan;16(1):2-14. Review.
PMID: 11772931

6: Liu JD, Chen SH, Lin CL, Tsai SH, Liang YC. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Inhibition of melanoma growth and metastasis by combination with (-)-epigallocatechin-3-gallate and dacarbazine in mice.
J Cell Biochem. 2001;83(4):631-42.
PMID: 11746506

7: Suzuki Y, Isemura M. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Inhibitory effect of epigallocatechin gallate on adhesion of murine melanoma cells to laminin.
Cancer Lett. 2001 Nov 8;173(1):15-20.
PMID: 11578804

8: Zhang G, Miura Y, Yagasaki K. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Induction of apoptosis and cell cycle arrest in cancer cells by in vivo metabolites of teas.
Nutr Cancer. 2000;38(2):265-73.
PMID: 11525605

9: Bickers DR, Athar M. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Novel approaches to chemoprevention of skin cancer.
J Dermatol. 2000 Nov;27(11):691-5. Review.
PMID: 11138532

10: Stratton SP, Dorr RT, Alberts DS. Related Articles, Links
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11: Zhao JF, Zhang YJ, Jin XH, Athar M, Santella RM, Bickers DR, Wang ZY. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Green tea protects against psoralen plus ultraviolet A-induced photochemical damage to skin.
J Invest Dermatol. 1999 Dec;113(6):1070-5.
PMID: 10594754

12: Barthelman M, Bair WB 3rd, Stickland KK, Chen W, Timmermann BN, Valcic S, Dong Z, Bowden GT. Related Articles, Links
Abstract (-)-Epigallocatechin-3-gallate inhibition of ultraviolet B-induced AP-1 activity.
Carcinogenesis. 1998 Dec;19(12):2201-4.
PMID: 9886579

13: Ley RD, Reeve VE. Related Articles, Links
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Environ Health Perspect. 1997 Jun;105 Suppl 4:981-4. Review.
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14: Valcic S, Timmermann BN, Alberts DS, Wachter GA, Krutzsch M, Wymer J, Guillen JM. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Inhibitory effect of six green tea catechins and caffeine on the growth of four selected human tumor cell lines.
Anticancer Drugs. 1996 Jun;7(4):461-8.
PMID: 8826614

15: Taniguchi S, Fujiki H, Kobayashi H, Go H, Miyado K, Sadano H, Shimokawa R. Related Articles, Links
Abstract Effect of (-)-epigallocatechin gallate, the main constituent of green tea, on lung metastasis with mouse B16 melanoma cell lines.
Cancer Lett. 1992 Jul 31;65(1):51-4.
PMID: 1511409
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. Go to rxlist.com..
and you can read the pharmceutical companies narratives on various drugs.

The statins can have some very bad side effects, but in a very small number of people. The important thing about the statins as well as many other drugs is that you need to be monitored by blood tests regularly. People can experience a 'flu-like' sensation from lipitor, which doesn't last in all people. There are other rarer muscle problems which can arise, but there are blood tests which tell you whether there are any changes to certain key muscle tissues as well as your liver.

I take lipitor, also 10 mg a day as well. I cannot reduce my cholesterol by diet, without consuming huge amounts of soluble dietary fiber. That is likely a genetic issue.

When you look at the drug company side effect tables, they are biased in some sense since not all companies report all data. When you look at the tables, make sure that you are looking at a comparable dose, and that you compare the side effect to the 'placebo' effect. It's amazing how many people gain weight in these trials while on the placebo lol.

The other thing to look at is 'post-marketing reported side effects'.
That is usually in a paragraph form and is based on MDs reports to the drug company.

rxlist is easy to follow: when you get to the drug you want to look at, there are tabs for various sections of info.
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #15
33. Thanks,I'll check that out. n/t
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #6
17. Most common reactions are muscle weakness/damage, memory problems...
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 11:58 PM by Conservativesux
..even tissue degeneration, loss of immune function/more infections and a higher incidence of Cancer.

In some cases, the muscle deterioration, that are encountered by using statins in a long term condition are incurable, even when the drug is withheld.

Further, many people of certain mediterranean heritages are fairly immune to the effects of "high" cholesterol, and taking statins actually _decreases_ their lifespans and often thier general health.

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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:35 PM
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3. Yeah
what does his own doctor know? Better he should get medical advice from a quack on the internet.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:56 PM
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5. Better he should get medical advice from a quack on the internet.
Nice try. Virtually every toxic drug out there has a safe and natural analogue. I wish you got it. You don't get it. I guess the epidemic of diabetes, cancer and heart disease in this country is a testament to the wonders of modern medicine. Pshaw.



http://www.classactionamerica.com/public/caseIndex.aspx?lngCaseID=1048
Pfizer Inc. (maker of Lipitor)
AMOUNT AT ISSUE: $$$ Pending

Cholesterol-Fighting Drug Tied to Liver, Kidney Injury
The Kahn Gauthier Law Group is investigating possible legal actions against Pfizer Inc., the manufacturer of the cholesterol-lowering drug Lipitor (atorvastatin), to recover for liver or kidney damage suffered by patients prescribed Lipitor. Like other drugs in its class (the statins), Lipitor can cause elevated liver enzymes. In clinical trials, this occurred in 0.7 percent of the patients, but the rate was much higher for those taking the 80 mg dose. Another serious side effect of Lipitor and other statins is a condition called rhabdomyolysis, in which muscle cells break down and release potentially toxic cell contents into the bloodstream.

http://www.legalnewswatch.com/news_565.html
Source: Business Wire
Published: April 11, 2005

A class action lawsuit was filed against Pfizer Inc., on behalf of all persons who died or were injured by the pain relief drug, Bextra, the Chicago law firm Kenneth B. Moll & Associates, Ltd. announced Monday.

http://www.baycol-recall-lawyers.com/baycol_recall/baycol_potential_baycol_class_action.html
MINNEAPOLIS, Sept. 19, 2003 (PRIMEZONE) -- German drug giant, Bayer AG (NYSE:BAY - News), faced with thousands of Baycol lawsuits across the country, now must assess what impact a Court Order, denying class action status, will have on the company. Instead of proceeding in one, unified proceeding or in several coordinated proceedings, the cases - estimated at about 11,000 - will proceed individually, trial by trial. To date, Bayer has paid out over $477 million on only 1,342 of the claims which have been brought by individuals injured by Baycol.

Bayer Corporation's Pharmaceutical Division, headquartered in West Haven, Connecticut, voluntarily withdrew Cerivastatin from the U.S. market after reports of 31 deaths associated with use of Cerivastatin in the United States. The cause of death was identified as rhabdomyolysis. Rhabdomyolysis is a severe muscle reaction that has been associated with the use of statins. According to published information, the incidence of fatal rhabdomyolysis was significantly higher for Cerivastatin users than for users of other cholesterol-lowering medications.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=bextra+class+action&btnG=Search

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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Let's see...
Dr. Sinatra has discovered the key to cardiovascular health. But instead of doing research and publishing in a peer-reviewed journal, following which he would likely win the Nobel Prize for Medicine if his claims are true... he chooses to sell his formula on the internet.

P. T. Barnum is laughing right now.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Nope.... you don't get it. I see you view a disease state as a condition
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 09:11 PM by 4MoronicYears
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #8
18. address my question
why, if Dr. Sinatra has discovered the key to cardiovascular health, does he pimnp his wares on the internet instead of publishing peer-reviewed papers that could win him a Nobel?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. Why should a man attempt to win a Nobel Prize for disseminating
information that is common knowledge in many areas of the world. What you are implying is that there is no way to prevent, reverse, mitigate heart disease. That is a foolish notion. Everyone knows that heart disease is preventable... diet, lifestyle and supplements can and do work.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15624283
1: Int J Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2004 Dec;42(12):672-9. Related Articles, Links

Docosahexaenoic acid restores endothelial function in children with hyperlipidemia: results from the EARLY study.
Engler MM, Engler MB, Malloy M, Chiu E, Besio D, Paul S, Stuehlinger M, Morrow J, Ridker P, Rifai N, Mietus-Snyder M.

University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, CA 94143-0610, USA. [email protected]
>>CONCLUSION: This study demonstrates that DHA supplementation restores endothelial-dependent FMD in hyperlipidemic children. The endothelium may thus be a therapeutic target for DHA. This is consistent with a hypothesis of increasing NO bioavailability, with the potential for preventing the progression of early coronary heart disease in high-risk children.<<

Publication Types:
* Clinical Trial
* Randomized Controlled Trial


PMID: 15624283


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15769607
1: Front Biosci. 2005 May 1;10:1079-88. Related Articles, Links

The role of omega-3 fatty acids in cardiac protection: an overview.

Ismail HM.

Department of Internal Medicine, East Tennessee State University, James Quillen College of Medicine, Johnson City, Tennessee 37614, USA. [email protected] <[email protected]>

There have been increasing research efforts in recent years to evaluate the role of various dietary supplements, such as antioxidant vitamins, L-arginine, glucan, isoflavones, soy estrogens, omega-3 fatty acids, etc., in cardiovascular health. Although there is not adequate evidence of the beneficial effects of many nutriceuticals on cardiac function, in the case of omega-3 fatty acids, the evidence has been more convincing. Fish oil has historically been thought to be good for cardiovascular health; however, data have revealed a stronger cardioprotective role of fish oil in recent years. Fish oil and specifically omega-3 fatty acids exhibit cardioprotective effects by mainly improving mortality in coronary artery disease patients.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. 25 ways to spot quackery
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 06:10 AM
Response to Reply #14
22. A better way... look at the list of drugs that have been pulled,
have maimed and killed, and the list of class actions suits that shrub is trying to protect the makers of counterfeit health from.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #22
29. so because some drugs
have been pulled, all drugs are bad? Some natural plants are poisonous -does that mean they're all bad?

Come on - that's lazy thinking. A large percentage of us would not be alive today without modern medicine. The knee-jerk reaction against it is simply unfounded.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #29
37. >>Come on - that's lazy thinking.
Lazy thinking is running to someone who has not had a single credit hour in nutrition and expecting him to correct what is wrong with you with an unnatural, toxic, questionable, potentially yet to be banned medication.

The opposite of that is to do your own homework and see what is available that is non-toxic at nearly any level, safe, effective and affordable. That's what I have done. I wouldn't have it any other way.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

Death by Medicine
By Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD

Something is wrong when regulatory agencies pretend that vitamins are dangerous, yet ignore published statistics showing that government-sanctioned medicine is the real hazard.

Until now, Life Extension could cite only isolated statistics to make its case about the dangers of conventional medicine. No one had ever analyzed and combined ALL of the published literature dealing with injuries and deaths caused by government-protected medicine. That has now changed.

A group of researchers meticulously reviewed the statistical evidence and their findings are absolutely shocking.4 These researchers have authored a paper titled “Death by Medicine” that presents compelling evidence that today’s system frequently causes more harm than good.

This fully referenced report shows the number of people having in-hospital, adverse reactions to prescribed drugs to be 2.2 million per year. The number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections is 20 million per year. The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million per year. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million per year.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #37
45. You have managed to dodge every single major
point I've made.

Can you try to address the first one? Why would someone who has solved a major medical problem choose to sell a formula on the internet instead of publishing peer-reviewed studies that win him a Nobel and change the face of modern medicine?

Why would he choose to enrich himself by selling some pills instead of convincing the rest of the medical community that he is right?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 05:37 AM
Response to Reply #45
47. Truth goes through three stages or so it is said..... remember Dr.
McCully? No? Let's see... he may be up for a Nobel Prize AFTER BEING RIDICULED AND HARASSED FOR NEARLY 30 GD YEARS. More answers to your question below.....

It goes like this...
http://www.nutritionworld.com/articles/a-homocyseine.html
The positive news is that an inexpensive B vitamin supplement containing adequate amounts of B6, B12 and folic acid is more effective in reducing elevated serum homocysteine than expensive, hazardous, cholesterol-lowering drugs. Assuring your diet contains adequate amounts of these vitamins is understood as a promising strategy for prevention. Highly processed foods are a rich source of calories, sugar and fat and a poor source of the vitamins and nutrients needed to help prevent the onset of arteriosclerosis by homocysteine. Thus, Dr. McCully's view of arteriosclerosis is significantly different than the widely accepted opinion--arteriosclerosis is a deficiency disease not a disease of excess.

The fundamentally different basis for Dr. McCully's theory caused some medical establishments to privately denounce it because it undermined conventional beliefs on arteriosclerosis. The majority of the medical community ignored the theory most probably because they had a limited knowledge of biochemistry and metabolism or because a small amount of evidence existed in the form of published research. In the past few years the medical community has deemed the homocysteine theory worth consideration in relation to arteriosclerosis. Today, Dr. Andrew Weil refers to Dr. McCully as "a visionary pioneer well ahead of his time."

Dr. McCully writes, "This development will call for major accommodation and changes in the attitudes, actions and philosophy of the medical, pharmaceutical, nutritional and governmental sectors of society." The homocysteine theory offers a unique, health-saving alternative to the conventional medical treatment commonly used to treat heart disease. The prevention and treatment of one of today's biggest killer rests in the hands of the individual.


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See more references to homocysteine revolution in this book.

Why would Dr. Sinatra sell supplements? Perhaps to correct some of the wrongs he has done prescribing harmful medications to accomplish the same thing that some of these safe and effective supplements do.

Perhaps help relieve his conscience for some of the patients he might have left as a statistic over the years by prescribing things that have now been pulled and or have been proven to do damage.

Perhaps to earn money... perhaps to start a revolution in the medical community, perhaps to help you find the truth.

Whatever his motives, if he harms anyone with his knowledge, information and advice, I am sure they will take action and justice will be done. Who knows... you could be the first to file a suit against him for giving out "bad advice" on how to remain healthy rather than fight a disease. It's a fine line.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0879839570.01._PIdp-schmooS,TopRight,7,-26_PE32_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0879839570/qid=1113820354/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/002-4490966-7862432?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
25 of 27 people found the following review helpful:
Literally a lifesaving book., September 17, 2000
Reviewer: D. R Schryer (Hampton, VA United States) - See all my reviews
(TOP 500 REVIEWER) (REAL NAME)
Coenzyme Q10 (often abbreviated as CoQ10) is essential for human life. It catalyzes the formation and utilization of energy in every human cell. Fortunately, our bodies manufacture CoQ10. Unfortunately, some people do not manufacture enough CoQ10 to keep them healthy, especially as they grow older. Research has shown that deficiency of CoQ10 is the major cause of cardiomyopathy, and congestive heart failure and these diseases can often be cured by CoQ10 supplementation. Even many heart transplant candidates have no longer needed a heart transplant after supplementation with CoQ10. Now it has been found that CoQ10 can also prevent -- and, sometimes, even cure -- cancer, as well a variety of other diseases. Dr. Stephen Sinatra -- a board-certified cardiologist -- is a world-renowned expert on CoQ10 and its health benefits. I beg your to buy and read this book and heed Dr. Sinatra's information and advice.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:26 PM
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10. I have the muscle reaction to statin drugs.
I went off them after a week of fire in all my muscles.
I already have liver damage from a burst gall bladder/peritonitis ten years ago..

Scary stuff.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:04 PM
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13. Umm, not to be argumentative, but what EXACTLY does he suffer from?
He may need the medication AND to venture into the alternative medicine field, but to claim that he should go off his medication and switch to herbal remedies is extremely dangerous if he actually has coronary artery disease. My father has had triple bypass surgery and a second surgery to put a new stint in one of his original veins. he is going to be on medication for the rest of his life and i would be a fool to tell him otherwise. Changing his diet and taking a few healthy vitamins is a great supplement but it isn't going to keep his arteries from clogging because his cholesterol is too high. Not COMPLETELY anyway!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 06:08 AM
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21. Would you believe that I have a friend back in West Palm... who
when he was 62 or so... had terrible arthritis in both knees, hands, had occluded arteries, was overweight, had high PSA and so forth... had a stent put in, received knee surgery... and then started on a path away from such practices.

Last I knew, he has no arthritis in his hands, never received the surgery on the other knee... had huge reduction in blockage in one of his arteries, lost alot of weight, and feels great. PSA down to better than normal.

Soy protein products, less meat.

Pycnogenol.

Lycopene.

Multivitamin (quality)

Saw Palmetto

And some other things I don't recall. If you don't understand the power of nutrients/supplements over disease then don't attempt to use them. Try this won't you.... google cardiovascular omega three, or cardiovascular coenzyme Q10, or cardiovascular l-arginine, or l-carnitine, or taurine, or pycnogenol.... it's not rocket science. It's using what is in nature to correct what is not natural in our bodies. If you are experiencing ill health because you don't eat enough of the healthy fats (omega threes), why take a chemical (that may or may not help and may even hurt) when you can simply add the missing omega threes and see their benefits for yourself? Why accept counterfeit health when the answers have been here all along?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11795505
1: Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2001 Apr;928:141-56. Related Articles, Links

Inhibition mechanisms of bioflavonoids extracted from the bark of Pinus maritima on the expression of proinflammatory cytokines.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10882879
1: Integr. Med.. 2000 Mar 21;2(2):73-77. Related Articles, Links

Pine bark extract reduces platelet aggregation.

Araghi-Niknam M, Hosseini S, Larson D, Rohdewald P, Watson RR.

College of Public Health, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ, USA



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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:42 AM
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23. but it isn't going to keep his arteries from clogging
The real culprits in coronary artery disease are C-Reactive Protein, Lipoprotein A, Inflammatory markers, Group B Cocksackie virus family, and others. Inflammation is the culprit, and some statins work mainly by inhibiting inflammation. If you don't think there aren't natural anti-inflammatories, think again. Taurine is contained in some of your better cardiovascular support products. Your mileage may vary.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15649278

1: Clin Exp Pharmacol Physiol. 2004 Dec;31 Suppl 2:S20-3. Related Articles, Links

FISH and LIFESTYLE-RELATED DISEASE PREVENTION: EXPERIMENTAL AND EPIDEMIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE FOR ANTI-ATHEROGENIC POTENTIAL OF TAURINE.

Yamori Y, Murakami S, Ikeda K, Nara Y.

International Center for Research on Primary Prevention of Cardiovascular Diseases, Mukogawa Women's University, Nishinomiya, Japan.

Summary 1. Taurine supplementation attenuated the development of hypertension and stroke in stroke-prone spontaneously hypertensive rats (SHRSP). 2. WHO-CARDIAC (Cardiovascular Diseases Alimentary Comparison) study revealed wide differences in 24-h urinary taurine excretion, which were inversely associated with age-adjusted mortality rates of coronary heart diseases (CHD). 3. Hypercholesterolemia as well as arterial fat deposition related to the cause of CHD was attenuated by dietary taurine supplementation in SHRSP on high-fat cholesterol diet. 4. Taurine affected the gene expression of 7alpha-hydroxylase and thus regulated serum cholesterol level through the control of the rate limiting step of cholesterol excretion into bile acids. 5. Taurine attenuated atherogenesis due to the control of oxidative stress through the inhibition of the production of oxidative LDL and to its scavenger effect on hypochlorous acid (HOCl) from leucocytes and macrophages. 6. Taurine may act as an immunomodulator of cytokine production, which is involved in atherogenesis.

PMID: 15649278
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:13 AM
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28. Changing his diet and taking a few healthy vitamins
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 08:14 AM by 4MoronicYears
No... not taking a few healthy vitamins.... yes changing his diet, BUT consider what you will read about the following proteins, enzymes, herbs and so forth if you look either at the NIH, or perhaps www.lef.org....

Magnesium and Calcium

L-Carnitine

Taurine

L-Arginine

L-Glycine

Coenzyme Q10

Vitamin E with mixed tocopherols and tocotrienols

Omega three fats

Hawthorne

This article is in reference to botannicals, many of the materials listed above are contained in comprehensive cardiovascular support products. The research on them is available. Read.

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/cardio3-6.html
Botanical Influences on Cardiovascular Disease
by Alan L. Miller, N.D.
Abstract

Several botanicals, including Crataegus oxycantha, Terminalia arjuna, Inula racemosa, and Astragalus membranaceus, have been found to have therapeutic benefit for the treatment of cardiovascular disease. Crataegus oxycantha has been used traditionally as a cardiac tonic and current uses include treatment for angina, hypertension, arrhythmias, and congestive heart failure. Animal studies have also indicated that Crataegus extracts may also have potential use as anti-ischemic and lipid-lowering agents.

The bark of the Terminalia arjuna tree has a long history of use as a cardiac tonic as well, and has been indicated in the treatment of coronary artery disease, heart failure, hypercholesterolemia, and for relief of anginal pain. Additionally, it has been found to have antibacterial and antimutagenic properties. Inula racemosa, also known as Pushkarmoola, is another traditional Ayurvedic botanical that has potential cardioprotective benefit.

In human trials, a combination of Inula racemosa and Commiphora mukul was shown to be superior to nitroglycerin in reducing the chest pain and dyspnea associated with angina. Astragalus membranaceus, a Chinese herb, is often used as a "Qi tonifier"and has been studied for its therapeutic benefit in treatment of ischemic heart disease, myocardial infarction, heart failure, and relief of anginal pain. Clinical studies have indicated that its in vitro antioxidant acitivity is the mechanism by which it affords its cardioprotective benefit. (Altern Med Rev 1998;3(6):422-431)

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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:49 AM
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24. When it comes to a matter of life and death...
I don't question traditional medicine. I have serious heart disease and, because a second heart surgery isn't possible for me, I have to rely on traditional medication, including 40mg. of Lipitor daily. It cut my cholesterol level by 50 points, so I'm not knocking it.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:57 AM
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26. The truth sprouts up in various places....
How little we know about what nature has provided us.

1: Biofactors. 2004;22(1-4):271-5. Related Articles, Links

Phase 1 study of multiple biomarkers for metabolism and oxidative stress after one-week intake of broccoli sprouts.

Murashima M, Watanabe S, Zhuo XG, Uehara M, Kurashige A.

The Department of Applied Bioscience, Tokyo University of Agriculture, 1-1-1, Sakuragaoka Setagaya, Tokyo, 156-8502, Japan.

Little is known about the direct effect of broccoli sprouts on human health. So we investigated the effect of broccoli sprouts on the induction of various biochemical oxidative stress markers. Twelve healthy subjects (6 males and 6 females) consumed fresh broccoli sprouts (100 g/day) for 1 week for a phase 1 study. Before and after the treatment, biochemical examination was conducted and natural killer cell activity, plasma amino acids, plasma PCOOH (phosphatidylcholine hydroperoxide), the serum coenzyme Q(10), urinary 8-isoprostane, and urinary 8-OHdG (8-hydroxydeoxyguanosine) were measured. With treatment, total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol decreased, and HDL cholesterol increased significantly. Plasma cystine decreased significantly. All subjects showed reduced PCOOH, 8-isoprostane and 8-OHdG, and increased CoQ(10)H(2)/CoQ(10) ratio. Only one week intake of broccoli sprouts improved cholesterol metabolism and decreased oxidative stress markers.

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial
* Clinical Trial, Phase I


PMID: 15630296
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 01:28 PM
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32. Hmmm, so how much is 100g ??
Really, I'd like to know. (Metrically AND numerically challenged here.)
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:44 PM
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35. Check this out.....
http://www.psinvention.com/zoetic/convert.htm

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-060d.shtml#nutritionaltherapy
Nutritional Therapy

* Coenzyme Q10
* Vitamin C
* Essential Fatty Acids
* Vitamin E
* Garlic
* L-Arginine
* Aspirin
* Calcium, Magnesium, and Potassium

Hypertension can be controlled through use of natural supplements. Mainstream practitioners believe that only prescription medications are proven to reduce hypertension. Yet, supplements are scientifically proven to help normalize blood pressure (Espeland et al. 1999).

There are nutrients that may reduce or eliminate the need for antihypertensive medications. However, nutrients may not work immediately to lower blood pressure the way drugs do, so it is important to continue nutritional-based blood pressure-lowering therapy over a period of 4 to 12 weeks. Physician cooperation is always crucial if you are to reduce your intake of antihypertensive drugs safely. Routine blood pressure monitoring is mandatory to determine if nutritional or integrated medical regimens are controlling or reducing your blood pressure. The following sections detail many nutrients important in preventing the development of hypertension, and may ultimately delay the occurrence or onset of hypertensive vascular disease and its subsequent and related cardiovascular diseases.


Coenzyme Q10
CoQ10 significantly improved diastolic and systolic pressure in essential hypertension. More than half of patients receiving 225 mg/day were able to terminate use of from one and three antihypertensive medications (Langsjoen et al. 1994 b ). A number of studies confirm that CoQ10 is an important supplement for both hypertension and Parkinson's disease (Digiesi et al. 1990, 1992; Langsjoen et al. 1994 a,b ; Singh, 1998, 1999).

It is effective in combating isolated systolic hypertension (Burke et al. 2001). Patients given 60 mg/day for 12 weeks reduced their systolic blood pressure by 18 mmHg, indicating “CoQ10 may be safely offered to hypertensive patients as an alternative treatment option." CoQ10 reduces blood pressure, possibly by mitigating the underlying disease causing hypertension. Studies on patients with hypertension and coronary artery disease receiving 60 mg of CoQ10 twice per day revealed "…that coenzyme Q10 decreased blood pressure possibly by decreasing oxidative stress and insulin-response in patients receiving antihypertensive drugs… Patients treated with an average of 200 mg/day of CoQ10 showed improvement in symptoms of fatigue and dyspnea with no side effects noted" (Singh et al. 1999).

Improved diastolic function and left ventricular wall thickness after coenzyme Q10 was noted in hypertensive heart disease (Langsjoen et al. 1997). CoQ10 was tested in 109 cardiology patients presenting with hypertension for at least 1 year. After 225 mg/day orally of CoQ10 was administered with antihypertensive medication, blood levels greater than 2.0 mcg/mL (3.02 mcg/mL) were obtained. Dosage was adjusted according to clinical response and CoQ10 levels. "A definite and gradual improvement in functional status was observed with the concomitant need to gradually decrease antihypertensive drug therapy within the first one to six months."

Over half the patients were removed from 1-3 of their regular antihypertensive medications 4.4 months after starting CoQ10. Improvement was seen in left ventricular wall thickness and diastolic function. Patients with essential arterial hypertension (n = 26) received CoQ10 (50 mg twice-daily) for 10 weeks. Systolic blood pressure decreased from 164 to 147 mmHg, diastolic blood pressure decreased from 98 to 86 mmHg, plasma CoQ10 levels increased from 0.64 ± 0.10 mcg/mL to 1.6 ± 0.3 mcg/mL, serum cholesterol decreased from 223 mg/dL to 213 mg/dL (p < 0.005), and HDL cholesterol increased from 41.1 ± 1.5 mg/dL to 43.1 ± 1.5 mg/dL (p < 0.01) (Langsjoen et al. 1997).
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 01:25 PM
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31. That's "conventional" medicine, or allopathic medicine, NOT
"traditional" medicine. Herbs and other natural healing methods are what are "traditional."
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 06:55 PM
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42. IMO, you can't knock medicine just yet and in my fathers case
He will flat out tell you he isn't going to eat tofu and become a health-nut after 60 years of living! The stress alone could kill him!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:54 AM
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25. Whenever you realize a drug company is trying to get
the ENTIRE population taking a particular pill for their ENTIRE lives, RUN like the wind. They are not concerned for your well being, they want your 3 bucks a day until you drop dead from liver failure.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:06 AM
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27. they want your 3 bucks a day
For some people who have found their way into the world of glyconutrition, 10, 12 and even 15 medications have been whittled down to ZERO. And all this at a cost of probably no more than 3$/day.

Not to mention that they are no longer being poisoned.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 01:07 PM
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30. Cinnamon
The journal Diabetes Care maintains that just a quarter teaspoon of cinnamon a day can lower blood sugar. For heart health, the lycopene in tomato products will prove to be beneficial.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:50 PM
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36. Plant Sterols and Stanols.... google for them or just read this......
http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jhtml?id=prod987245&CATID=100189&skuid=sku987233&V=G&ec=frgl_640877

# Dietary Supplement.
# Lowers cholesterol naturally.
# Clinically proven.
# May reduce the risk of heart disease.
# Cholest-Offs clinically proven formula helps lower cholesterol in as little as 30 days!
# Even if you watch your diet and exercise regularly it may not be enough to lower your cholesterol to heart health levels.
# Thats where Nature Made Cholest-Off can help.
# Cholest-Off is an all-natural drug free blend of plant sterols, which have been clinically proven to block cholesterol absorption and reduce LDL (bad) cholesterol in as few as 30 days.
# Cholest-Off is a safe and effective even if you are currently taking prescription medication to lower your cholesterol.
# Cholest-Off provides the extra 1.8 grams of plant sterols and stanols daily that Americans need to reach National Institutes of Health Therapeutic Lifestyle Change Guidelines.
# These guidelines include 2 grams of plant sterols and stanols per day.
# The average Western diet only provides 0.2 grams per day.
# Cholest-Off allows you to get these heart healthy plant sterols and stanols daily without the additional calories and fat of fortified margarines and orange juices.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 01:48 PM
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34. I got my cholesterol down to very healthy levels without drugs.
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 01:48 PM by UdoKier
Just used Policosanol, red yeast rice and non-flush Niacin ( I would go easy on the Niacin)


But it did remarkably well, and I'd just as soon avoid the expensive drugs and their dangerous side effects.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:18 PM
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39. Make sure you know what is in your
product... or not.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11327519
An analysis of nine proprietary Chinese red yeast rice dietary supplements: implications of variability in chemical profile and contents.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:08 PM
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40. Good to know. I've read that Red Yeast Rice is chemically similar...
to the inhibitor drugs like Lipitor, etc.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 06:52 PM
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41. Virtually identical. Be careful.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 10:44 PM
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44. Funny, if it's virtually identical....
wonder why the MASSIVE price differential between red yeast rice and the stuff pushed by Big Pharma.

;)
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 05:07 AM
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46. They had to study it.... then molecularly change it so that they could
claim ownership to it. Then they had to convince the public that it is the only thing on the planet that can do what it does... then they had to pay for the R&D.... then they had to pay for their CEO's taudry salaries.... not to mention the lawsuit they brought to try and get red rice stuff pulled from the market so as to be able to have a monopoly on this area of "health". Still.... as this article states... be careful, and consider plant sterols and stanols, they might be safer, and just as effective.
http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jhtml?id=prod987245&CATID=100189&skuid=sku987233&V=G&ec=frgl_640877


http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Jan/ai_81138236
Comment: Previous research has shown that one particular preparation of Chinese red yeast rice, previously sold under the name Cholestin, is an effective and apparently safe treatment for hypercholesterolemia. However, because it contains lovastatin, for which Merck & Co. owns the patent, Merck sued Pharmanex (the makers of Cholestin) for patent infringement. Pharmanex won the lawsuit (apparently god really owns the patent on all naturally occurring substances), but the ruling was overturned on appeal. Pharmanex is therefore no longer permitted to sell red yeast rice. The company has developed a new cholesterol-lowering product that is marketed under the same name (Cholestin), but this product does not contain red yeast rice.

Several other companies are now selling their own red yeast rice products; however, the results of the present study indicate that the composition of these products varies considerably. Therefore, the safety and efficacy of the newer preparations may not be the same as that of the original Cholestin. Although studies on Cholestin did not demonstrate any major adverse effects, red yeast rice contains a number of different potentially toxic substances, the concentrations of which may vary with the different preparations. Until these newer products are shown to be safe and effective, individuals with hypercholesterolemia might consider as alternatives the many dietary modifications, nutritional supplements, and herbs that have been shown to lower serum cholesterol levels safely.

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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:13 PM
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38. I'm worried about you and your brother
Lipitor is not a treatment for diabetes. It is prescribed to lower cholesterol. I would suggest that if you're not even sure what illness or illnesses your brother is suffering from then you should leave it up to the doctor to prescribe the appropriate treatment.

Just how high is your brother's cholesterol level? How much does your brother weigh? I do not have the option of "diet and exercise" to lower my cholesterol. I am at my proper weight. If I become underweight, well, I hope we all understand by now that severe underweight and eating-disordered behavior kills -- and it kills years or decades earlier than heart disease related to obesity. Even if your brother has some weight to lose, I think we need to be realistic about how often people actually do lose weight and keep it off. People who "yo-yo" may have a shorter life expectancy than the man who stays fat.

It has already been shown that a diet extremely low in saturated fat causes some people's bodies to manufacture its own cholesterol -- which is why low fat diets failed to improve cholesterol profiles for so many over the last couple of decades. A tendency to high cholesterol is very likely genetic or at least has a strong genetic factor. I'm afraid Mother Nature doesn't much care if any of us live much past age 40, so assuming that there is a natural way for everyone to treat every ill of aging isn't logical based on what we know of evolutionary science.

Finally, if your brother has already been taking the lipitor, you should be aware that there can be severe side effects, including a rebound in his cholesterol levels, if he suddenly stops taking it.

If your brother has asked you for advice, it's one thing. Otherwise, I would not get between him and his doctor.

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:01 PM
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43. It has already been shown that a diet extremely low in saturated fat
causes some people's bodies to manufacture its own cholesterol -- which is why low fat diets failed to improve cholesterol profiles for so many over the last couple of decades. A tendency to high cholesterol is very likely genetic or at least has a strong genetic factor. I'm afraid Mother Nature doesn't much care if any of us live much past age 40, so assuming that there is a natural way for everyone to treat every ill of aging isn't logical based on what we know of evolutionary science.<<

From this I get the impression that you believe cholesterol is a bad thing. Alright, let's go here.

http://www.oralchelation.net/heartdisease/ChapterNine/page9b.htm
The Role of Inflammation
Evidence accumulated over the past year suggests that inflammation in the circulating blood may play an important role in triggering heart attacks and strokes by activating blood-clotting mechanisms, which in turn can slow down or stop blood flow. Inflammation is the body's natural response to injury and blood clotting is often part of that response.

During the inflammatory process, a substance-C-reactive protein-is produced in the blood. By measuring blood levels of C-reactive protein, researchers now have an important tool for studying the role of inflammation in heart attacks and strokes, since the amount of inflammation can be measured by the C-reactive protein.

A study this year by Dr. Paul M. Ridker and colleagues at Brigham and Women's Hospital showed that measuring C-reactive protein levels can help predict the risk of heart attack in postmenopausal women. Last year, the researchers showed that C-reactive protein was an excellent way to gauge the heart attack risk in a group of middle-aged men.

Inflammation can limit the effectiveness of clot-busting drug therapy, which is the first line of treatment for patients suffering a heart attack. Dr. Agha W. Haider at Boston's Massachusetts Veterans Research Center and colleagues at Hammersmith Hospital in London showed that heart attack patients with high levels of C-reactive protein respond more slowly to treatment with clot-busting drugs called thrombolytics.

And then here:
http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jhtml?id=prod987245&CATID=100189&skuid=sku987233&V=G&ec=frgl_640877
# Dietary Supplement.
# Lowers cholesterol naturally.
# Clinically proven.
# May reduce the risk of heart disease.
# Cholest-Offs clinically proven formula helps lower cholesterol in as little as 30 days!
# Even if you watch your diet and exercise regularly it may not be enough to lower your cholesterol to heart health levels.
# Thats where Nature Made Cholest-Off can help.
# Cholest-Off is an all-natural drug free blend of plant sterols, which have been clinically proven to block cholesterol absorption and reduce LDL (bad) cholesterol in as few as 30 days.
# Cholest-Off is a safe and effective even if you are currently taking prescription medication to lower your cholesterol.
# Cholest-Off provides the extra 1.8 grams of plant sterols and stanols daily that Americans need to reach National Institutes of Health Therapeutic Lifestyle Change Guidelines.
# These guidelines include 2 grams of plant sterols and stanols per day.
# The average Western diet only provides 0.2 grams per day.
# Cholest-Off allows you to get these heart healthy plant sterols and stanols daily without the additional calories and fat of fortified margarines and orange juices.

And here:
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm
Death by Medicine
By Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD

Something is wrong when regulatory agencies pretend that vitamins are dangerous, yet ignore published statistics showing that government-sanctioned medicine is the real hazard.

Until now, Life Extension could cite only isolated statistics to make its case about the dangers of conventional medicine. No one had ever analyzed and combined ALL of the published literature dealing with injuries and deaths caused by government-protected medicine. That has now changed.

A group of researchers meticulously reviewed the statistical evidence and their findings are absolutely shocking.4 These researchers have authored a paper titled “Death by Medicine” that presents compelling evidence that today’s system frequently causes more harm than good.

This fully referenced report shows the number of people having in-hospital, adverse reactions to prescribed drugs to be 2.2 million per year. The number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections is 20 million per year. The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million per year. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million per year.
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