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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:44 PM
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55 percent of Americans believe in the rapture
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2027&nc...

A Newsweek poll last year found that 55 percent of Americans believe in the rapture.

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GR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:45 PM
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1. I Think the Easter Bunny Is More Scientifically Likely....
At least there really are bunnies and egg candy.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 02:35 PM
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95. people belive crazy shit: From scientific america
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0002F4E6-8CF...
snips:

30 percent of adult Americans believe that UFOs are space vehicles from other civilizations; 60 percent believe in ESP; 40 percent think that astrology is scientific; 32 percent believe in lucky numbers; 70 percent accept magnetic therapy as scientific; and 88 percent accept alternative medicine.

Education by itself is no paranormal prophylactic. Although belief in ESP decreased from 65 percent among high school graduates to 60 percent among college graduates, and belief in magnetic therapy dropped from 71 percent among high school graduates to 55 percent among college graduates, that still leaves more than half fully endorsing such claims! And for embracing alternative medicine, the percentages actually increase, from 89 percent for high school grads to 92 percent for college grads.
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tekriter Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:46 PM
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2. Good. After they're gone there will be...
less traffic.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:11 PM
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18. yeah and we can have all their
Edited on Thu Apr-14-05 09:12 PM by yorkiemommie1
STUFF!!!!

:evilgrin:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:46 PM
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3. And the majority voted for the blivet.
:eyes:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:47 PM
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4. The country is lost. Neocon theocracy awaits.
:(
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:50 PM
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5. Most Christian mainstream churches do not believe in a rapture.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:06 PM
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11. Same poll - 17% of Americans think it will happen in their lifetime.
To me the 55% number means they think that the world will come to an end some day. I'm surprised it isn't higher.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:23 PM
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22. They are scientificly correct,
depending on how one defines "world". Our sun will begin to die in about 5 billion years. Then over more billions of years, will expand, cool, and eventually become a nebula, and then a black dwarf. Then we're gonna be in some serious trouble.



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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:56 PM
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34. Oh man.. tiw that picture is awesome.... n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:46 PM
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29. It's pretty much only doomsday cultists who do.
NT!

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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 02:33 PM
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93. Something doesn't smell right.
About 20% of the population is non-Christian, atheist or agnostic. That would mean that nearly 70% of all Christians believe in the rapture. Nearly all of the mainstream denominations think it's a silly idea.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:52 PM
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6. I'll stick with the Tooth Faery
She's got loads of money :)
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tekriter Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:08 PM
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13. But she only gives it out...
a quarter at a time!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:09 PM
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15. LOL!
Good point!
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 10:02 AM
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74. hey it's $20 a tooth in my neck of the woods
The people around here have more money than sense, but their kids are not too stupid.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72


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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:35 PM
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85. "Gads....20 bucks?" All the green teeth rednecks say
:rofl:
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 02:30 PM
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92. there's some pretty snotty neighborhoods around here
I couldn't believe it either.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72


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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:00 PM
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7. Really?
I'd like to see the underlining sampling methodology. I think that's BS.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:01 PM
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9. Me too.
Respondants are probably thinking: Well it sounds biblical, so I'll say YES.
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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:05 PM
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10. They probably "sampled" the congregation in a fundie church.
I'll never understand why people unquestioningly accept the results of "research." :silly:
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 10:22 AM
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77. I think it's BS too
they probably went around to a bunch of fundie churches and asked about the rapture...next time they should try a better sample of christians...I bet the results would be much different.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:00 PM
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8. I guess when
many Americans have enough of what's going on in this country and leave, these nuts are going to think they were left behind. That will be crushing for them.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:07 PM
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12. 55% of Americans are superstitious idiots.
No surprise there.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:08 PM
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14. Yea! Will they be gone soon?
I can't wait for the peace and quiet after they all leave. :hi:
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tinonedown Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:09 PM
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16. That's a lot of votes.
Lot of votes.....
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:48 PM
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30. Anyone deluded enough to believe in a literal Rapture...
...isn't anyone who would vote for a Dem anyway.

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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:10 PM
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17. "There's a sucker born every minute"....
What a sad commentary on our society. The Rapture is the only hope 55% of the people have for a better day.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:12 PM
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19. Escapism, literally
People can't bear the grimness of day-to-day life. They dream they'll win the lottery, or be whisked away into a better world. Hmm, I wonder how many Rapture believers play Lotto?

I blame the aging population. When sex, drugs and rock & roll don't blot out reality any longer, look to the sky for an exit hatch.
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:16 PM
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20. that's just sad.
just sad.

and more than a little scary.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:19 PM
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21. I'm Catholic and I think the rapture is garbage.
I think the the Book of Revelations is garbage as well.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:30 PM
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23. My mother is a fanatical Catholic who has never read the bible
She believes in the rapture. My father is a converted Catholic who believes anything my mother does to keep my mother off his ass so he does too.

Don

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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:39 PM
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25. If you read the "cliff notes" in a Catholic bible, they will tell you that
the Book of Revelation is an outstanding example of apocryphal literature, popular at the time. A BIG metaphor designed to buck up the early struggling Christians. The Church has never been really big on Bible reading because of the concern for individual interpretation.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:41 PM
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26. I think this country is suffering from mass psychosis
I bet if you look at history, Germany in the '30's was in the same shape.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 02:23 PM
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89. Astounding how many Christians don't even read the bible.
I had a conversation with a guy yesterday at work who is against gay marriage. Nice guy, but not the most informed about his own religion - I pointed out that the whole "homosexuality is a sin" thing comes mainly from Leviticus, then asked him if he's ever eaten shellfish or if he was wearing cotton/poly blend clothes. He answered in the affirmative to both.

I commented that, according to Leviticus, he's breaking God's commandments. His reply? "I never knew that was in Leviticus."

How is it that I, an atheist, know more about his bible than he does?

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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:46 PM
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86. Book of Revelations is about the Roman Empire
which was hated intensly by the Christians (and for good reason). They used the same type of rhetoric as fundamentalist Muslims are using about the American Empire today - also intensly hated, and also for relatively good reason.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:39 PM
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24. LOLOLOLOL LOLOL LOLOLOL LOLOLOLOL LOLOLOL!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I live in a country filled with retards!!!
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:44 PM
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27. I don't think so
Most people I've talked to have no idea what the rapture is. the only churches that teach it are the fundamentalist churches. None of the mainstream Protestant nor Catholics teach the rapture.

The question was probably worded wrong.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:44 PM
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28. Wow. Such mass stupidity.
It's one thing to have faith in something - I'm cool with that, and even if I wasn't, it's not my right to say who can believe what.

It's another thing entirely to disregard proven science to believe in allegories and parables as literal truth.

The Rapture is a seriously deluded 1800s teaching not found in the bible fundamentalists claim they follow. Jesus' purported words pertained to that generation, not some always-in-the-future group of 144,000 lucky people who will get "raptured" to watch everyone else suffer.

Rapture Christians are just, well, dumb. Can't say it any other way.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:54 PM
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32. Wonder why they chose a gross (144) x a thousand as the magic number?
Is 144 supposed to be some kind of magic number or something? I used to purchase M-80 firecrackers by the gross when I was a kid.

Don

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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:08 PM
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37. I think it's related to the "twelve tribes of Israel."
12 tribes*12,000 people per tribe=144,000 people

Yep, I'm a Christian. Yes, I believe in a final day of judgement. But I am well aware of past predictions of apocalyptic d00m that have not come to pass, and as such, am wary of the rapturistas.

As far as if I believe in the literal Rapture...well, let's just say that I would want to be raptured out of George W. Bu$h's "America." :evilgrin:
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 01:02 PM
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88. It's largely due to the
"Left Behind" books isn't it? That Tim LaHaye is a well-connected fellow, by the way:

"In the last two decades, Tim LaHaye has emerged as not only the theological brains behind the best-selling Left Behind series, but also as one of the most influential figures in the American Christian Right. Indeed, when the Institute for the Study of American Evangelicals decided to name the most influential evangelical leader of the past 25 years, they chose not Billy Graham, Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, but Tim LaHaye, in large part because of his work in evangelical politics. Not only is LaHaye an influential preacher and interpreter of prophecy and revelation, he has also become a remarkably powerful force in domestic and now even international politics through the highly secretive Council for National Policy, founded in 1981. Called by some "the most powerful conservative group you've never heard of," the CNP includes among its members Reverends Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, Jesse Helms, Tom DeLay, Oliver North, Christian Reconstructionist R.J. Rushdoony and, formerly, John Ashcroft (himself a Pentecostal Christian). Recent speakers at the Council's highly private meetings have included Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, and Timothy Goeglein, deputy director of the White House Office of Public Liaison. Although the group initially focused primarily on domestic agendas like abortion and homosexuality, LaHaye's Council has recently begun to turn to larger international issues such as U.S. policy in the Middle East and the state of Israel."

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/archive/index.php...


---------------
I think if you cut us, Jerry and I would bleed red, white and blue, says LaHaye. We believe that God has raised up America to be a tool in these last days, to get the Gospel to the innermost parts of the earth.
(...)
At the Watermark Community Church in Dallas, Rev. Todd Wagner tells his flock that the books may be fiction, but they are based on hard facts. Non-believers are doomed.

Safer asked Wagner who would be Left Behind: What would be my fate?

Folks like yourself that are gonna be here, are gonna go through all the events that Christ outlined in Mark:13 and Matthew:24 -- some of which are quite horrific, says Wagner. It would be the time of trouble like weve never seen before.
(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/05/60minutes/mai... )
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:52 PM
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31.  I just wish they'd go already. More room for us.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:55 PM
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33. The other 45% have been nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:32 PM
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44. LMAO
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:00 PM
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35. Hey, thanks, not I'm totally depressed. We are screwed!!!
I could go with 30-35% but not 55%. We will become, as Warren Buffett predicted, a nation of "sharecroppers beholden to foreign interests."

:wtf: happened? This is just awful. Thanks so much @%#@%@$^@ :crazy:

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:05 PM
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36. Peep Wars!
The yellow ones always win. 55% of Americans believe that.

I want the 55% of Americans who believe in the Rapture to be right. Please, Lord take these people away, off my beautiful planet.

Get them the fuck out of here.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:25 PM
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38. An Ethics quandry...
If the Rupture actually happens, and I come across an SUV upside a phone pole with a brace of Trek Madone 5.9's on top...

Could I take the bikes, seeing as how they don't belong to anyone anymore?
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:26 PM
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39. not shocking - 95% believe in an invisible sky god
i am surprised the rapture number is so low :eyes:
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:29 PM
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40. This may be OT but-
Edited on Thu Apr-14-05 10:29 PM by Kool Kitty
why is CNBC re-airing "Revelations" twice tonight? I know that it is an NBC show, but I don't remember CNBC re-airing any other NBC shows like "The West Wing" or "American Dreams". Okay, they do re-air "The Apprentice", so maybe I'm just being hyper-critical about this. (I watched this last night, and it was pretty entertaining.)
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:31 PM
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41. I believe in the end times
They will come in about five billion years when the sun blows up. Then again, I am sure the end times will come long before then. The longer we are controled by Republicans the sooner the end times will come.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:31 PM
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42. Doubt It
When people are asked questions about religious beliefs they are intimidated and tell the questioner what they want to hear. People are afraid of this pseudo-religious onslaught. In reality, most folks, even those who attend church weekly, prefer the secular in all other situations!! We are being manipulated.
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:31 PM
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43. Most are getting the rapture confused with Ecstasy. n/t
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:35 PM
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45. I think they are confusing Rapture with the Second Coming
I can easily believe that 55 percent of Americans believe in a Second Coming since that is the cornerstone of Christianity. You really can't be a Christian without believing that.

The Rapture is something else entirely. Catholics don't believe in it. Neither do most mainline Protestants. That doesn't leave very many people.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 02:29 PM
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91. "You really can't be a Christian without believing that."
Um, there are Christians HERE who don't believe that. Are you saying they're not real Christians?

Seems like you're defining their beliefs for them. I hate it when assholes here arrogantly (and quite wrongly) define my atheism for me, and I think it's just as wrong for one Christian to define another's Christianity.

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 04:03 PM
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97. Yes, I am saying that.
How can you be a Christian and not believe that Christ is the Son of God? At that point, you are treating Christ as a philosopher and not the Messiah. Which is your right, I suppose. But you are not following the tenets of the religion.

They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. Men of Galilee, they said, why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1, v 10-11
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:07 AM
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102. You realize Jesus' alleged divinity was decided long after he died, right?
There are Christians here who don't believe as you do. IMHO, they're actually closer to authentic Christianity than the modern version.

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lcbart Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:41 PM
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46. Armageddon/Apocalypse book sales
have been steady over the last twenty five years or so (Hal Lindsay etc) up until the last five/ten years when they upsurged on sales of the 'Left Behind' series.

55% is still shocking though.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:45 PM
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47. That's what happens when you underfund education
and your kids are left without critical thinking skills. Republicans don't want people to think!
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:49 PM
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48. WTF? I have never met anyone who really believed in the 'Rapture'..n/t
Edited on Thu Apr-14-05 11:44 PM by tyedyeto
edit for spelling
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:54 PM
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49. 2 questions:
1. how do they know it hasn't already happened yet?

2. Why do they believe that one day millions of people will just vanish into the sky, but can't believe that bush is a worthless goddamn liar?

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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:01 PM
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53. Good point, the fact that so many people are this stupid is why I
question the existence of a God. How could an all perfect God create so many stupid dumb ass people????? The amount of stupidity kind of throws a wrench in the Intelligent Design theory. It's much more probable that Nature would create a creature that fails to grasp how imperfect Nature is and have a hard time grasping reality and truth.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:11 PM
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55. I think bill maher stumbled onto something declaring religion
a neurological disorder. I'd go a little further and say that organized religion is a neurological disorder. Spirituality is a human characteristic IMO.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:55 PM
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50. Anyone want to give them a push?
:)
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:57 PM
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51. original story
newsweek story i think this is something of an oversimplification of the poll results. the story is about la haye and the "left behind" stories.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:01 PM
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52. 55% of Americans POLLED believe in the rapture....
...now ask yourself who was polled.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:09 PM
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54. Interstingly enough, that same 55% of Americans
Edited on Thu Apr-14-05 11:09 PM by ComerPerro
will be shocked, absolutely shocked to learn that they have been "Left Behind" once the ratpure happens.
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:15 PM
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56. Speaking as an Xian 55% of amerikans are idiots...n/t
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:20 AM
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57. this is such bullshit . . . who's doing these polls? . . .
this is nothing but Christianoid propaganda couched as a poll . . . I don't believe it for a second . . .
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:29 AM
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58. And The Government Is Working Hard To Get The Other 45%!
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:31 AM
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59. Good for them! Let me know when they are all gone!! I will celebrate!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:45 AM
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60. I DO TOO!!! Bush and the x-tian fundies have finally convinced me!!!
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 03:48 AM
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61. the numbers dont add up
55% believe in the rapture, 30% are catholics, 5% are Jewsm 3-5% are Muslims, 1-2% Buddhism... So where are the atheists and non-rapture believing Protestants... only 10% of the population ???? Hmmmmm.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 04:53 AM
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62. I've got a good extension ladder if it'll help get the ball rolling...
;)
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 05:17 AM
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63. All right get raptured already---and don't let the door hit you in the ass
on the way out.

Good God. I once took a course on mass delusion in Medieval Europe. This included a great deal of the same sort of stuff that we're hearing in this article.

When the year 1,000 rolled around thousands of people literally dropped everything and went out to the fields to wait for Jesus. When nothing happened everyone pretty much assumed they got the date wrong. That didn't stop them, of course. The end of the world was too good a concept to let die. Kings, princes and popes routinely took turns calling each other the antichrist--what a great way to get back at someone you hated--and prophets solemnly pronounced the end of days.

It's pretty damn sad that with all of our education and sophistication people are still living emotionally in the dark ages.
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Radio-Active Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 05:29 AM
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64. the poll WAS conducted by Newsweek
and not the Moral Majority.

rapture n.
1. The state of being transported by a lofty emotion; ecstasy.
2. An expression of ecstatic feeling. Often used in the plural.
3. The transporting of a person from one place to another, especially to heaven.

I guess I also believe in "rapture".
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 05:55 AM
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65. The End Times Are Here
for the American expirment if this is true of the voting population.

Soon 144,000 x 1,000 left activists will be "taken up" never to be seen again, and those who remain will be subject to trials and tribulations at the hands of the just.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 06:56 AM
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66. Someone correct me if I am wrong...
but didn't the whole notion of a "rapture" first get created (or at least written about - as it is not detailed in the Bible) sometime in the nineteenth century? Isn't this a man made construct? Or did I miss that there was a recent times "prophet" who has added a new book to the Bible?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 07:13 AM
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67. You're correct
It may come as a surprise to many Christians, but the doctrine of the Rapture is not mentioned in any Christian writings, of which we have knowledge, until after the year 1830 A.D. Whether the early writers were Greek or Latin, Armenian or Coptic, Syrian or Ethiopian, English or German, orthodox or heretic, no one mentioned a syllable about it. Of course, those who feel the origin of the teaching is in the Bible would say that it only ceased being taught (for some unknown reason) at the close of the apostolic age only to reappear in 1830 A.D. But if the doctrine were so clearly stated in Scripture, it seems incredible that no one should have referred to it before the 19th century. This does not necessarily show that the teaching is wrong, but it does mean that thousands of eminent scholars who lived over a span of seventeen centuries (including some of the most astute of the "Christian Fathers" and those of the Reformation and post-Reformation periods) must be considered as prophetic dunces for not having understood so fundamental a teaching. We are not denigrating the doctrine in mentioning these historical facts. That is not our intention. But we do feel that the Foundation should show the historical problems associated with the teaching. This lapse of seventeen centuries when no one mentioned anything about it must be a serious obstacle to its reliability.
http://askelm.com/doctrine/d760201.htm

It's always seem so convenient to me. When you decide you need an out clause just throw one in, it's such a pleasant concept everyone will agree with it.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 07:13 AM
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68. Here's a detailed summary of "The Rapture"
It also explains The Millenium, Postmillenialism, Amillenialism & Premillenialism. Pretty complex stuff. "Pre-tribulationism" is the belief that corresponds to contemporary "Rapture theory."

...in the 1800s, some began to claim that the rapture would occur before the period of persecution. This position, now known as the "pre-tribulational" view, also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism. Darby's pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C.I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible, which was widely distributed in England and America. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically accepted what its footnotes said and adopted the pre-tribulational view, even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history.

This is a Catholic site, but other viewpoints are represented:

Problems with the pre-tribulational view are highlighted by Baptist (and premillennial) theologian Dale Moody, who wrote: "Belief in a pre-tribulational rapture . . . contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:2427; Matt. 24:2631; 2 Thess. 2:112). . . . The theory is so biblically bankrupt that the usual defense is made using three passages that do not even mention a tribulation (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 Cor. 15:52). These are important passages, but they have not had one word to say about a pre-tribulational rapture. The score is 3 to 0, three passages for a post-tribulational rapture and three that say nothing on the subject.
. . . Pre-tribulationism is biblically bankrupt and does not know it" (The Word of Truth, 5567).


www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp


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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 07:19 AM
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70. Correct. No Biblical mention of the Rapture, so
So much for "Fundamentalism."
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 02:35 PM
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96. Doesn't that technically make Rapturists 'heretics'?
NT!

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 07:17 AM
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69. TOTALLY skewed results/sampling
The HUGE majority of Christians do NOT believe in the Rapture. Only Baptists and other Fundamentalists churches do. Not Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists., etc. So, explain these results to me? Some Stats 101 trickery, I suspect.

Also, how many Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Pagans, Unitarians, etc. were sampled? Hmmm?
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 04:06 PM
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99. True Fundamentalists don't believe in the Rapture, either.
It ain't in The Bible!
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 07:25 AM
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71. does the article have the actual poll question? eom
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 11:10 AM
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80. Good point
HOW a question is phrased has a great deal to do with how it is answered.

I don't believe most polls, so I'm not going to believe this one.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:32 PM
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84. yeah
asking "do you believe the world will end someday?" is much different than "do you believe in the rapture?"
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 09:57 AM
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72. This only proves to me what I have suspected all along
The majority of Americans who consider themselves religious are only about one step away from belonging to the next death cult which would certainly be lead by some charismatic psychopath using religion as bait. And this leaders name may be George W. Bush.

The patients truly are in charge of this insane asylum we refer to as America.

Don

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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 10:00 AM
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73. no they don't
And I live in the Deep South. The Rapture is not a part of mainstream Protestant belief. It is a rather recent (Hal Lindsey era) invention to the lore that belongs to the true nutters.

But thanks for reinforcing my belief in the total ridiculousness of the polls! :-)

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
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ucmike Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 10:07 AM
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75. i don't buy that.
since i became aware of this lunacy about a year ago, i have yet to meet anyone who is willing to admit to being a rapturist. i know some pretty conservative christians who don't even have any clue about it.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 10:22 AM
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76. Oh please
More bullshit media polls.

They could tell you that 55% of Americans believe almost anything and some people would uncritically believe it.

I might believe that 55% of people in Alabama believed in the rapture. Maybe. But not on the basis of some stupid media poll or lazy reporter at the tribune.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 10:25 AM
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78. 55%+ people breathe air
Edited on Fri Apr-15-05 11:12 AM by SoCalDem
and at least 55% of people probably don't even get polled or refuse to take the poll when offered :)


Newsweek polls are highly unreliable, so I would take even that with a grain of salt...

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obnoxiousdrunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 10:56 AM
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79. I'm not surprised..
70% of Americans at one time beleived Saddam had something to do with 9/11/.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 11:25 AM
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81.  H.L. Mencken was right.
Edited on Fri Apr-15-05 11:28 AM by Tierra_y_Libertad
"Nobody ever went broke overestimating the stupidity of the American people."
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 11:31 AM
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82. How else will they escape their credit card debt?
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PST Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 11:33 AM
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83. look, it's here already!!
"According to such believers,..... these people will depart the Earth as it is plunged into a seven-year period of tribulation as the Antichrist rules."


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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:47 PM
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87. Is that the same percentage
that believe Hussein was behind 9/11?

If so, is it the same people?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 02:26 PM
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90. 90% never heard of F=MA
Sorry, but there is such a thing as SCIENCE and the laws of nature.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 02:35 PM
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94. I saw a bumper stcker here about a year ago.....
"After the Rapture, can I have your car?"

How about your house? Oh come on....you won't need it any more!
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xpat Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 04:05 PM
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98. 55% of Americans are unfit for self rule.
They need to be colonized by a superior civilization.
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 04:16 PM
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100. ...
And people are still looking for Noah's Ark on the peak of some mountain. You know... the ship that carried two of everything: 2 cockroaches, pairs of every venemous snake in the world... pretty much everything.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 04:18 PM
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101. no they don't
They only think they do.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:31 AM
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103. I don't believe that 55% of Americans believe in "the Rapture."

Catholics don't, mainstream Protestants don't, Mormons don't, Jehovah's Witnesses don't, Muslims don't, Jews don't, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, B'ahais, pagans, Wiccans, agnostics and atheists don't. I think all those groups add up to far more than 45% of the population.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:45 AM
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104. Newsweek must have been paid by someone,
This is bullcrap.
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