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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 03:30 PM
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"Former" lesbians & gays:"EX-gays are facing hostile acts, discrimination"

As an aside, how does "Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays" translate to the acronym PFOX?

Contact: Regina Griggs, Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays, PFOX Executive Director, 703-360-2225, [email protected]

ANNAPOLIS, Md., April 12 /Christian Wire Service/ -- Many thanks to Maryland state senator Alex Mooney for introducing an amendment to include "former homosexuals" to the Maryland sexual orientation hate crimes bill. You can listen to Sen. Mooney's speech to the senate at Under "Listen to Prior Senate Proceedings," select Wednesday, April 6, Session #2 and when the audio comes on, fast forward to 1 hour and 22 minutes (1:22) to hear the ex-gay speech. PFOX believes this is the first time ex-gay legislation has been introduced anywhere in the country.

Although the ex-gay amendment was rejected by a vote of 15 - 28, it alerted the Maryland state senate to the intolerance ex-gays face in Maryland. For example, our PFOX ex-gay representative on the Family Life Committee of the Montgomery County Maryland Board of Education had her ex-gay materials rejected by the Committee. Instead, the Committee and the Montgomery County, Maryland Board of Education approved materials published by gay activist organizations as school resources, even though some of these gay materials contain hateful claims about ex-gay

s. This was not considered "hate speech" because the hate was directed against ex-gays and not against gays.

Last year PFOX's ex-gay billboard in Rockville Maryland was interpreted as "hate" against gays by lesbian protestors and Equality Maryland, a gay rights organization.

Magellan Health Service, based in Columbia Maryland, is the largest managed behavioral health care company in the nation. Last month, Magellan dismissed psychology professor Dr. Warren Throckmorton from its National Provider Advisory Council because of complaints from gay activists that he counsels individuals struggling with unwanted same sex attractions.

The Prince George's Sentinel, a Maryland newspaper, refuses to accept PFOX news releases because it considers ex-gay press releases to be "hate mail."

Linda Wall, a former lesbian, was equated to the "Taliban crashing into the Twin Towers" by a gay activist because she shared her coming out of the lifestyle story with a student who had testified before the Maryland State Board of Education that he was "gay."

Maryland ex-gay author Richard Cohen was accused of hate against homosexuals when he released his new book 'Coming Out Straight'.

The list is endless because every day brings new hostile acts against the ex-gay community under the justification of fighting "hate" against homosexuals. In this climate of intolerance against ex-gays due to their very existence, support for the ex-gay community is interpreted as bigotry against homosexuals.

Claims of hate based on sexual orientation should not be used to silence the ex-gay community and their supporters. Nor should sexual orientation hate crime laws be misused to legitimize intolerance against ex-gays. To give sexual orientation protection to one group while excluding another is discriminatory.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 03:35 PM
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1. Yeah, they think they are pretty clever ...
twisting anti-discrimination wording around to accomodate their own evil purposes. Shameful.

The one thing they cannot provide is any CREDIBLE scientific evidence that their techniques work long-term to any degree.

I always see the same cast of characters: Throckmorton and two others (I'll look the others up; the org. is NARTH - Nicolisi).

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 04:14 PM
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8. By their definition, any gay person who is not currently having sex
is an ex-gay.. These people are just plain looney.. There are many gay people who try to "not be gay", but they mnight as well try to "not be a human".. It's not something you can change..
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 04:16 PM
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9. Exactly, SoCalDem.
They seem to be engaging in crazymaking behavior ("Down is up. Up is down.").

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 03:38 PM
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2. The REAL victims of hate crimes are white straight males!
And the tax code punishes the rich, and the media is liberal and too hard on Bush, and Delay is being railroaded, Saddam did 9/11 and Osama is in jail.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 03:41 PM
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3. OK, I'll bite
(since I'm not going to their website to RTFA)

If they're "ex-gays", what's their sexual orientation now, if any?

Or is this where the box turtles come in?

Just a little morbid curiosity....
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 04:14 PM
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7. I drove down route 95 in the south and missed the PFOX billboard
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 04:17 PM by IanDB1
Apparently, the billboard is on I-64 near the turn-off for I-95.

I guess you can't see it from Route 95.

Pity. I wanted to take a picture of myself peeing on it.

Ex-Gay Billboard Goes on Up on One of America's Busiest Highways

RICHMOND, VIRGINA, September 29, 2004 ( - At a time when homosexual activists are seeking special rights, such as "gay marriage," hate crime laws, adopting children and promoting homosexuality in schools, they are also attacking the freedoms of the ex-gay community.

As a counter to homosexual activists' campaigns, Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays (PFOX) has put up a billboard on one of the busiest Interstate highways in the nation -- on I-64 near the turnoff for I-95 in the Richmond, Virginia area. The billboard features a photo of a young man who overcame homosexuality, and says: "Ex-Gays Prove that Change Is Possible. Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays Seeking Tolerance for All."

"Homosexual activists seek total acceptance and tolerance for their decisions but they openly discriminate against ex-gays' decisions to leave homosexuality," said Regina Griggs, executive director of PFOX, a support group for families with loved ones dealing with homosexuality.

"All major mental health organizations have proclaimed the right to self-determination. This includes seeking counseling to overcome unwanted same-sex attractions," Griggs said. "Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that anybody is 'born gay' and left without a choice."

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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 03:49 PM
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4. yeah...when ex - gays like
John Paulk are caught in DC gay bars, then they should expect some heckling...

"...Washington, DC -- John Paulk, the ex-gay leader recently confronted in a Washington, D.C. gay bar, has been removed as board chair of Exodus North America, the nation's most prominent ex-gay organization.

Exodus officials said Paulk lied when he said he did not know he was entering a gay bar. "We believe that John's actions -- to spend time socializing in a gay bar, and then to mislead both the public and Exodus leaders -- merit some form of disciplinary action," said Bob Davies, North American Director of Exodus International, in a statement released Tuesday.

The controversy over Paulk erupted on the night of Sept. 19, when the ex-gay leader was confronted and photographed by activists with the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group, while patronizing Mr. P's, a gay bar in the heavily gay DuPont Circle neighborhood of Washington, D.C..."

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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 03:49 PM
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5. OMG... What's next... Christians claiming persecution?
Oh yeah, that's happening already... the similarities are remarkable... :crazy:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 04:05 PM
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6. An offense against hypocrisy will soon be a hate crime
Only in *'s Merika
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