Kerry speaks out about election fraud on CNN

[lonestarnot]

wwwCNN.com/insidepolitics BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- Many voters in last year's presidential election were denied access to the polls through trickery and intimidation, former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry told a voters' group Sunday."Last year too many people were denied their right to vote, too many who tried to vote were intimidated," the Massachusetts senator said at an event sponsored by the state League of Women Voters."There is no magic wand. No one person is going to stand up and suddenly say it's going to change tomorrow. You have to do that," he said.

Kerry supporters have charged that voting irregularities in largely Democratic areas made it difficult for voters to cast ballots in the November election. A lawsuit in Ohio cited long lines and a shortage of voting machines in predominantly minority neighborhoods, but the Ohio Supreme Court dismissed the suit.Kerry also cited examples Sunday of how people were duped into not voting."Leaflets are handed out saying Democrats vote on Wednesday, Republicans vote on Tuesday. People are told in telephone calls that if you've ever had a parking ticket, you're not allowed to vote," he said.

Kerry has never disputed the outcome of election, saying voting irregularities did not involve enough votes to change the result. Bush won the pivotal state of Ohio by 118,000 votes, giving him enough electoral votes to win re-election.Bush supporters have denied using voter intimidation tactics to keep people from going to the polls. A call to the Republican National Committee media office was not immediately returned Sunday.Earlier this year, Kerry joined Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a New York Democrat, in filing voting reform legislation. The Count Every Vote Act would create a federal holiday for voting, require paper receipts for votes and authorize $500 million to help states upgrade voting systems and equipment.

Congress' investigative agency, the Government Accountability Office, has also begun looking into the handling of provisional ballots and malfunctions of voting machines. The study could lead to changes in the election process. Kerry, using crutches as he recovers from knee surgery, suggested the United States should spend as much time promoting democracy at home as it does abroad in countries like Iraq.
"We need to go about the business of making our own democracy in America work better," he said.

[lonestarnot]

1. kick

:kick:

[thecorster]

2. hell yeah, John

While I'm sorry you didn't scream about this on November 3rd, I'm really excited about the count every vote act. Best of luck.

[Eloriel]

3. Color me completely underwhelmed

"There is no magic wand. No one person is going to stand up and suddenly say it's going to change tomorrow. You have to do that," he said.

Oh, don't worry, Senator. We know better than to count on you. But thanks for the heads up.

[Rose Siding]

29. You nailed it

Beautifully put, my dear.

[mattclearing]

59. Seriously. If he had said this five months ago things might be different.

Next.

[LittleClarkie]

99. He said it three months ago and got blasted for it

actually, at a luncheon on MLK Day.

And if you count the "Man in Exile" video, where he said that he would fight for election reform because it was a travasty that we STILL don't have confidence in the system, he said something 17 days after the election.

I should go back and watch that again, actually, and see how many of the things he said he wanted to do are coming true. All I can remember is the health care issue and electons. That and telling us not to be discouraged.

Then there is the lawsuit still pending in Ohio. That rather makes a silent statement.

And he will, I suspect, continue to comment on this in and among the other issues he's trying to cover at the same time. He's not making any one issue his own, he's going for several. Some might say that's not a good idea, but it seems to be his style, multi-tasking.

So, as for your statement that "Seriously. If he had said this five months ago things might be different" well, perhaps if it wasn't Kerry, aka Johnny Velcro, the man to whom, for right or wrong, everything sticks, you might have been paying attention.

[Doctor_J]

65. Only 5 months after it's too late

yeesh. Why didn't we nominate CLark?

[PsychoDad]

88. Amen Bro..

A dollar short and 6 months late.

[Flammable Materials]

4. ... one too many Presidential candidates rolled over and played dead ...

Feh.

[bbernardini]

5. NOW he says something...

Jackass.

[The Doctor.]

6. I do not live in a 'purple' state...

So it would be difficult to execute canvassing tactics where necessary.

But it couldn't hurt to gear up for '06 and start informing people...

And telling them to call everyone they know.

That way, if they get the phone message or letter in the mail warning them about the 'consequences' for showing up to vote, it will back fire Big time.

The trick will be to figure out what new methods Rove and Co. will devise. A tactician will stay only one or two steps ahead of his opponent, and Rove is a tactician - not a strategist.

We should think about that.

[Selteri]

7. Too little Too Late,

I'm not holding out any hope with that wimp unless I see some major reforms and an impeachment or two.

[WillowTree]

10. Ditto.

The time to show a backbone was November 3rd.

[intheflow]

8. The election wasn't really stolen, blah, blah, blah.

I'm sorry, Mr. Kerry, but :wtf:

Why not demand access to the voting machine source codes? Why not demand an explanation for Blackwell counting votes in private? Why this half-way wussiness? :grr:

[saracat]

31. He did. And the court STILL hasn't acted!

I guess we should STILL be waiting. Even Gore knew you had to quit sometime.What are you supposed to do when they won't release the evidence? When John Ashcroft is Attorney General? It isn't as if the deck wasn't stacked against him. Nah. Not at all.:sarcasm:
I wonder how mny would have participated in a civil war to put JK in the WH? Nice to say after the fact, but I'll bet most would just as soon stay home and display the same type of loyalty to their candidate that they do today! And people wonder why he didn't march in the streets? Not!

[LittleClarkie]

58. Would have likely been a "Les Mis" moment

how many of our bodies on the barricades, I wonder.

[tavalon]

83. What are you supposed to do when they won't release the evidence?

Stand up and scream and keep screaming until they can't ignore you, can't shut you out. It's also really important that you scream right at the beginning, like on November 3rd, rather than in April.

I don't give a damn whether Kerry could have found enough votes within the fraud to get the WH. That wasn't the point. Even he said that it was important to count all the votes. Of course, saying that is easy but it's the actions that count and his actions on the day after the election said that counting all the votes didn't really matter unless it was going to get him into the White House.

He was supposed to have our backs. He didn't and this Johnnie come lately play now really quite underwhelms me.

[Botany]

9. no retreat no surrender?

More than a little late John! I worked my ass off for you and you rolled over
and played dead. The machine with 3,900 extra * votes in Franklin, County
might have been a tip.

Go away!

[blm]

13. You have a record of service that earned you the RIGHT to tell Kerry to go

away?

Wow. You must be amazing. Especially since John Kerry has investigated and exposed more government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history. But, YOU think he should go away. I hope YOU, with your stellar record of service will replace him, since YOU must be quite the accomplished lawmaker yourself to tell a lesser man like Kerry to just "go away" so he needn't be heard from again.

[Botany]

18. Look Kerry was and is great on the BCCI scandle and so on ......

..... but I feel used. As I stood there @ Ohio State w/ thousands of others
he did not say, "While if their is fraud I will go back and really investigate it
as a Senator." He promised to fight. On 1/6/05 he was a no show. It would not
have changed anything but the Conyers' report would have given him cover and
forced the press to look at the fraud for at least a nano second.

And BTW ....."I disagree w/ what you say but I will defend to the death your
right to say it." Do I not have the right to my feelings? Look I saw and
heard voter crimes first hand and i feel nothing is being done about it.

[blm]

20. He's fighting underneath the surface.

If you don't want to hear it from me, then ask Will Pitt.

He can only play the cards he has in his hands.

[Javaman]

39. You know, nothing against you, but I'm so tired of hearing...

"he's fighting underneath the surface".

And you know what else? As a party the Democrats fucked up. Period. He can fight all he wants under the surface, but that doesn't do a damn bit of good for the Democrats out there that demanded action for this vote fraud.

His silence was deafening. Yeah, Gore may have given up, but you know what? Gore at least tried to fight it, Kerry rolled over only after a few days.

Howard Dean is a fireball no bullshit person. Could you possibly believe that Dean would have given up?? Hell no!


edit for spelling

[Old and In the Way]

50. So how would it have been different with Howard?

Except that CNN probably reports a 5MM Bush mandate. Just what would Dean have done under similar circumstances? Call out the Vermont National Guard? Call you Democrats to take to the streets? You do remember how the MSM played the "Dean Scream" ad ininatum, right? Can you imagine how a Dean "I don't accept the election results" would have gone over in the prism of this Republican corporate media?

Our best candidate got screwed. But way too many people voted for Bush and that gave the Republicans cover to steal the election.

At some point, Americans who vote against their best interests will have to figure this out on their own. In the mneantime, we ought to fight for election reform and neutralize the advantage that Republicans have created in gaming our election hardware.

[blm]

53. Are you rewriting history? Dean rolled up after the media unjustly kicked

at him after Iowa. He withdrew from his "fireball" personality in the immediate aftermath of that one trumped up media assault.

Are you trying to claim that Gore would have fought on if the public perception was that Bush had won the popular vote by 3million? The two don't even compare.

Further, if Dean felt this election was stolen I am sure he would have been out there in front of the cameras letting everyone know it. He was close enough to Kerry at that point that he was advising him and acting as a spokesperson for him on the campaign trail.

None of them had the smoking gun evidence and with the Ohio Supreme Court safely in the hands of the GOP they knew they wouldn't be able to get it with an overt challenge.

[Javaman]

54. This is about the big picture..

I'm saying IF Dean was the Candidate he wouldn't have given up so easily.

Also, what of the battery of lawyers that Kerry promised to use to investigate any voter fraud??? Where were they?

You don't get it, this isn't about the election or about who won or lost, it's about our rights as citizens to guard our votes.

I'm pissed off because moron* now believes, however wrong, that he has a mandate (god, the word is bitter in my mouth), because we let him believe that.

We didn't investigate the rampant voter fraud that washed over this country. We didn't hold the electoral process accountable.
Kerry rolled over. Period. He didn't do a damn thing. Even the lawyers who where hired, were confused as what to do, because they got no information or instructions from Kerry campaign. They were ready.

Now moron* feels he can do what ever he wants, because Kerry's inaction, lack of accountability by the voting officials, no investigations and the quelled voices of Democrats yearning for leadership.

[blm]

55. Bush doesn't believe he has a mandate. He KNOWS they had to commit fraud

to stay in power.

Listen...I appreciate the anger about the fraud....we ALL feel it....but, until we get a firm grip dealing with the GOP control of the media, nothing will happen. There were plenty of stories and court cases about the last election, some of which involved the Kerry/Edwards campaign, but, the media chose to ignore those stories in favor of pushing the idea that Bush had a mandate from the values voters.

An honest media would have examined the voting machine issues, LONG ago. Until we get the media exposed as GOP shills, we will get nothing fixed on the voting machine issue.

Maybe this Clint Curtis situation will give the story the legs it needs, so we can FORCE it into the media, whether they like it or not.

[seeker4ever]

74. Maybe monkeys will jump out of my ass too,

[LittleClarkie]

60. The lawyer's name is Don McTigue

and Ohio lawsuit still pending.

Dean likely wouldn't have had anything to fight. I suspect he would have been "McGoverned" with a gap to big to fight over.

I'll say it again. If you couldn't make it out of the primaries intact, they sure as hell weren't gonna put on the kid gloves for the general election. Dean would have been a fireball alright. That's what happens upon re-entry after being knocked into orbit.

Gore had a much closer election to fight. And he lost. So why would that tactic be worth repeating.

I'm happy to have Kerry politically alive to fight another day.

[BillyDoc]

66. There's only one way that I see Democracy happening here

in the USA. And that way is if the people of America INSIST on it. And by that I don't mean simply beg and plead with our bought-and-paid-for politicians of both parties. If you really want democracy, you will have to fight for it, and you WILL have to engage in civil disobedience in that fight.

Of course, hardly anyone is willing to fight . . . so maybe democracy really isn't a good idea here. We have way too many wimps and too many "good Americans" waiting patiently for "somebody else" to do their duty for them. (http://breakthelink.org/The%20reason%20why.php)

For those rare Americans with the stones to actually work on this problem, see if you can find some good ideas here: http://electionfraudbounty.org/Two%20simple%20election%20plans.php. And if you are an actual code-monkey with Linux programming experience . . . PLEASE, PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE check out this site. Then contact me!

[tavalon]

85. Actually,

he rolled over in just one day. Heck, I think it was about 12 hours if my memory serves. That's some record breaking rolling over, I think.

[PsychoDad]

89. Well, to be fair...

He had also rolled over for the Patriot act and the Iraq war. Rubberstamped both those along with many other Demopublicans.

So his quick acceptance of the will of the repugs shouldn't come as too great a suprise.

[tavalon]

91. It did to me n/t

[tavalon]

93. My name for those same sort

is Corporaticans - same concept, just adding in the name of them that brung 'em.

[zann725]

51. I agree. There is "movement." Didn't someone say last week that Andy

Stephenson was intereviewed about EF on MSNBC?

I've been critical about Kerry at times too, but I just feel things are starting to significantly "move" against Shrubco (maybe not as fast as we'd like)...still, all together I believe it will yield essentially the result we wanted on Jan 6.

The timing of the knee surgery on Kerry is interesting. Prior injuries to his knees aside, Eastern medicine says that "knees" are the area of the body where we store unresolved/unexpressed anger. Seeing him at the Pope's funeral on crutches...unable to "stand up" by (and for) himself...I thought perhaps things are coming Karmically full-circle for him. Silly analogy, I know. But just a thought.

All in all, I'm glad he spoke up about it on CNN.

[tavalon]

84. Uh huh, heard that one before

While I am a huge fan of Will Pitt, I'm not buying this one.

Kerry fucked us. In a way, it's more painful coming from one who is supposed to be one of us than from Chimpster and his crew. I expect it from them. Kerry blindsided me and many others.

He's very much a day late and a dollar short.

[CTLawGuy]

97. wouldn't want anyone to know you were fighting...

the Republicans might crack a frown or something equally horrible if they knew :eyes:

[kerrygoddess]

25. Conyers asked him not to be there.

I think Will Pitt reported that.

[Javaman]

38. I'll tell you what my right is, my vote.

[blm]

56. Vote, criticize....fine. That he should go away is stupid and absurd and

damaging to democracy. The GOP has been trying to make Kerry go away and stupid postings from Democrats who agree with them just make them more powerful.

[Javaman]

57. Never said he should go away...

but he should refrain from continuing to piss off the people that supported him.

Making this kind of comment, now, only makes us feel that much worse. Why in hell didn't he say this crap 6 months ago?
No one gives a crap now, the nation is cnn obsessed with the pope croaking/Schaivo dying and the Jackson trial.

To me this reads like announcing that the Red Sox won, even though it was 8 months ago, instead of saying it last oct.

To little to late.

[whometense]

67. You may be speaking for yourself here,

but you're not speaking for me, or for many many other Kerry supporters who feel grateful to have him on our side in this fight.

He's not pissing me off. I'm happy every day that he's willing to be out on the front lines, using his brains instead of shooting off his mouth.

[globalvillage]

70. I'm with you, whometense

Sen Kerry has been speaking out loudly, and not just re election fraud.
Against Bolton and Wolfowitz, *s SS "plan", ANWR drilling...
For healthcare, for Vets benefits, for kids...
The list goes on.
We're all upset about the election results, but he's still fighting for us, and I'm grateful for that.

[blm]

69. and the last TEN times he spoke out about this since Nov. some folks here

always reply with the same old "too little, too late." Just because the media doesn't give Kerry the reporting airtime for his statements doesn't mean nothing was said.

[karynnj]

80. It's to motivate people to fix it for the future

Nothing will change 2004, but if no one speaks of it and motivates action at the local level, how will it change by 2006. From a posted account from someone who was there, this one only one aspect of what Kerry spoke about. He was speaking about activism.

[DemonFighterLives]

11. I hate to disKerry

But he could have done much more than he did. I guess the skull and boners decided the timing was not right for him to succeed.
Until the regime is dismantled, I don't care to see all kinds of new voting equipment. I'd be more inclined to go back to the way we were. A paper trail can be manipulated as well. What will stop a computer from saying that you voted for x, but record a vote for Y.
Throw the bums out!

[lonestarnot]

12. I find it odd that CNN chose to print this.

[Liberal In The West]

14. yea me to

It is very odd for CNN to mention anything that qualifies as that forgotten thing called new.

[lonestarnot]

15. Hmmm maybe something is brewing????

[lonestarnot]

16. Welcome to DU "yea me to"

[DemonFighterLives]

19. Welcome to DU

CNN is covering for "them".

[DemonFighterLives]

17. I guess they are going for the fair and balanced moniker

But alas, mistakes were made, nothing can be done about it. But we have a strong war pResident and "Don't Worry Be Happy".
dubby and the gang are well on their way to destroying this country and the rest of the world as well.

I find it hard to believe that exit polling quit working in 2000 and voting machines were inadequate and lines became so long.

[lonestarnot]

21. I find it hard to believe that the United States of America has a chimp

in the Oval office!

[DemonFighterLives]

41. I know if I wasn't in this country

I would send a sympathy card. :mad:

[lonestarnot]

76. To Whom?

[DemonFighterLives]

90. To all the good Americans who were caught with their pants down

We let them get the voting machines at our cost and then watched them steal the elections. My condolences to most Americans, but not the cult followers.

[lonestarnot]

98. Thank you we'll take that.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. Don't forget how polls worked in Ukraine

But here they're skewed and never work. :eyes:

[KoKo]

63. Bush poll numbers tanking so they open the door an inch to let Kerry in.

They always do this. That's all it is. And Kerry took advantage of the inch open door.

[LittleClarkie]

61. Where do you get your Skull and Bones information

I've been seeking a source so that I could check it out. Do you have one?

[DemonFighterLives]

92. It's a super secret - no one will talk

There is a great history on them. See: The boodle boys
http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boodleboys1.html

There is a part 2 that goes along with that.

Of course no one believes that */kerry would go by the "old Frat" rules. Just a big possibility considering the way Kerry kind of stepped out of dubbys way.

[kerrygoddess]

22. This has been all over the news today and DU.

With much better responses than this thread.

[lonestarnot]

23. So what are we supposed to do cry because we don't meet your

expectations...your criticism blows!

[kerrygoddess]

24. Just making a statement...

Sorry you felt it was criticism. Not everyone has a negative attitude around here.

[lonestarnot]

26. Well if you don't know a criticism when you see it then I guess you better

reread you post.

[kerrygoddess]

27. I know criticism

I stated fact. It's been all over the news for hours not just on CNN and there are multiple threads on DU about it and they are not filled with Kerry bashing. Those are facts. Like it or not, many here support John Kerry.

[lonestarnot]

28. Well I was here this a.m. here this afternoon for a brief period and am

here tonight and this is the first I have seen of it on DU...link please...and I don't watch TV this came from net alert...

[kerrygoddess]

33. Look on the Greatest Page

There's links there to a couple that made Greatest Page, I know it's in GDP and LBN.

News links:
Kerry says Americans need to pressure lawmakers for voting reforms - http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-04-10-kerry-democracy_x.htm?csp=34

Kerry: Trickery Kept Voters From Polls - http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050410/ap_on_go_co/kerry_campaign_lessons_2 & http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3127452

Kerry: Election Reforms Should Be Pushed - http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050410/ap_on_re_us/kerry_campaign_lessons_1 &
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=658106&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0405/219745.html

http://www.wrgb.com/news/regional/regional.asp?selection=article_32367

[lonestarnot]

34. Thank you.

[lonestarnot]

30. I voted for the bitch and was at every protest every gathering worked

my ass off for him but he disappointed many of us for not taking a stronger stance is this a crime? I am not brainwashed for any one man although I love Kerry, he simply did not do enough to fight for us.

[kerrygoddess]

36. That's wonderful...

I volunteered for him since July '03. I guess I would rather work for change than complain. Kerry's done a lot since the election to works towards change. I'm grateful for that.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. So my question is

why is MSM covering this? Are they trying to send a signal out to the Bush camp or what? :shrug: I'm confused.

[lonestarnot]

77. donno...Got an email from Kerry tonight re Bolten fight... bitching away

about the freak and how he's simply amazed at the stupidity and that he couldn't believe bushitler had stuck to his guns on dumbass rummy after 800,000 signatures to his petition. Still feel something brewing....maybe another terra attack.

[journalist3072]

32. A word to Senator Kerry

Thank you for being a day late and a dollar short.

BTW, what happened Nov. 2 wasn't 'trickery.' It was voter suppression, pure and simple. And it was illegal. Remind me again why you conceeded the election so fast?

Sincerely,

Someone who got up on Nov. 2 and took their soul to the poll, to cast their vote for you!

[Javaman]

35. Um, John, I guess you didn't get the memo...

The FUCKING election was 6 months ago!!! Where the fuck were you than???

God damn, this better late than never bullshit just pisses me off.

John has a rep of being slow and methodical, but damn dude, 6 months late??

Where were the fucking lawyers you promised? Were was the investigation???

Sorry John, I supported you, I campaigned for you, I volunteered for you, I made phone calls, wrote letters, gave my hard earned money, and fucking NOW you say something???

Here's some advice John don't run in 08, I want someone that carries through and strikes back hard.

I'm writing in Howard Dean in 08.

[kerrygoddess]

37. Oh my such anger...

You go ahead and write in your vote, that will be helpful.

[OrwellwasRight]

40. Couldn't have said it better, Java! nt.

[lonestarnot]

42. Me too, but don't think Howard wants the job so I'll skip that part.

[Javaman]

49. Purely a protest vote because...

we have had two elections thrown in a row and both Democratic candidates both bailed and rolled.

I as a democrat truly feel that my vote no longer matters, so the hell with it, I'm not voting for who is on the stupid Democratic ticket any longer, I will vote for who I believe in.

I have been a Democrat since I was able to legally vote, that's 25 years. But when I have a party that I support, roll over and take a dive and not fight for this country and our voting process, it becomes pure and simple bullshit.

Part of what voting is, isn't just casting a vote for a candidate but also knowing full well that you have to defend that right to vote. We have forgotten that, and our candidates, our elected leaders, all now think that if we protest for our votes or we march, etc, that we are left wing radicals. This is what happens when we allow our system to become corrupted by not following through with defending our votes.

John Kerry let me down. Period. He did not fight for me, you and everyone that voted for him. Him not fighting means, the right wing now has a free ticket to vote suppress, like they did in Florida, Ohio and in countless other states.

Honestly, I'm ashamed and afraid of who we put up at candidates now. I am now fully gun shy at the prospect of who the Democratic party is going to march out in 08. Can I honestly believe that this person will have character and balls to follow through and do the hard work? Or are they going to roll over yet again, because "it would hurt the country". That is such a colossal piece of bullshit. We as a nation have survived far worse.

The Democrats are like people running around and bumping into each other in a dark room looking for the light switch. Here, we are 6 month after the last election and what do we have? A big fat zero. We piss and moan when rep or a congressperson does this or that, that we don't like. We clap our hand and stamp our feet when they do something good. All the while the wolf is still watching the hen house and what the democrats say and do is nothing but a dog and pony show to keep us stringing along with false hopes.

A few senators speak out but nothing happens, but hell "it goes on the record". Big deal. So that means some boob several decades from now can research the fact that we were bulldozed.

The answer is plain and simple but requires hard word, but alas, I don't think the Democrats are up for it.

While the repukes continue their rampage, we twiddle our thumbs and continue to say our mia culpas.

We need to plan. The DNC need to plan or have a plan to unify the party, but so far, they have done a fantastic job of splintering it. When you have a has-been candidate stating the obvious, months after he should have taken action, you only continue to piss of the base that supported him.

If they need to do anything at all, try being proactive (I hate that word), unite the party. Look long term. Found various Democratic institutions for political study. Appoint local leaders to continue to campaign in the off season. Get people talking, give the average Joe the real facts.

This, oddly enough is exactly what the repukes did after moron* sr. lost. And here we are.

Plain and simple, repukes organize. Democrats flail about.

This is what I'm pissed about.

And to the person that says, "boy, you are angry", you know what, damn straight I am. And you should be too!! If not every single Democrat out there isn't pissed off, then there is something wrong with you or you just don't give a damn about the American electoral process or your vote mattering.

Hell, I live in a red state and I know right out of the gate my vote ain't gonna mean a whole hill of beans, but you know what? I still voted. And even though my vote didn't amount to much in this red state, I'm pissed and angered over the votes in Ohio not being counted. Those Democrats that voted and/or were suppressed, they are part of the same political party I support. I'm pissed for them.

And to the person that says, "yeah I'm angry, but want can you do, they are all crooked", So then you open the door time and time again for letting votes be suppressed or out right thrown out. And that's okay, right? bullshit, unless we start working now to change things, 06 and 08 will be more of the same, folks. Mark my words. The Democratic party will vanish from this earth.

[LittleClarkie]

62. What six months late?

He's been saying this at least since MLK Day, when he got blasted for mentioning it, oddly enough.

Let's see, MLK Day is when, January?

A continuation of stuff he's said before and no surprise.

[tavalon]

87. yeah

You're right. January was only two months late!!!!!

[tavalon]

86. I don't think he'll run

He might dip his toe in the water but his time as a Presidential candidate ended on Nov. 3rd. While he has many supporters (I support him as a Senator. I think he's doing good things. There.) I think there are far more of us who wouldn't support him for a second run. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me! Hey look, I'm smarter than the chimp.

[Straight Shooter]

43. Timing is everything. This is one more chink in the Repub armor.

I also wish more had been done following the election, I really was counting on Kerry to be working in the background and forcing the issue. But I guess that isn't how Kerry works, not really.

But, think about this. bush's approval ratings are sinking, Tom DeLay is in a sh*tload of trouble, there's infighting amongst the elephants, we haven't heard the last of Gannon, bush is being questioned about taxpayer monies for his Social Security roadshow, Carter just got dissed by the bushies (I don't care who spins it positively, he got dissed big time).

Timing is everything. Go, Johnny, go!

[lonestarnot]

45. I've thought about it and I hope the jig is up. Hope something brewing we

are privy to and all hell is going to cut loose. It would be better than the present hell.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. I hope so too

Don't forget Bush's raitings are still pretty low. Either forty-one or forty-three percent. So that's pretty low for a "war time" president. Plus I am enjoying the show of the republicans eating each other up. :D

[Straight Shooter]

48. I think you're right. All hell is going to break loose.

And, after that, I hope that America returns to some semblance of sanity. The current sociopolitical situation is damn near intolerable.

edit: Freudian slip? :P

[FreedomAngel82]

52. Something I was thinking about

was how come he's talking about it now considering how MSM is? I'm sure he knows about that from his own personal experiences. Now we're seeing the MSM talking about this, so I wonder if they're trying to warn the Bush camp. I know he only talked about election fraud really once at a MLK jr breakfast he spoke at in Boston so I wonder why he's speaking about it now. Call me a hopeful I guess.

[paineinthearse]

64. See the Massachusetts forum for TayTay's first hand account.

Her post is worth an nomination.

[ck4829]

68. "Bush supporters have denied using voter..."

"Bush supporters have denied using voter intimidation tactics to keep people from going to the polls"

Using those stupid election challengers didn't qualify as intimidation?

There was stuff in the newspapers a week before the election in Ohio as to how to try and avoid these people!

[mrdmk]

71. If Mr Bush Jr. did not allow people to vote, why the hell do you

think he would let people of opposing views enter his town meetings.

I agree with a lot of you folks who say, "Mr. John Kerry is a day late and a dollar short!", but the Republicans are up to their ears in elephant shit and there needs to be a push, a big push. Also note that more people than Mr. Kerry need to light a fire under this issue.

In 2006 anybody but Republicans need to be in charge of the congress. Impeachment proceedings need to occur starting in the House. For anybody but Republicans to be in congress we need to count all honest votes. Anybody remember H.R. 2239 or the latter H.R. 550 with 130 cosponsors still hung in committee. This is the biggest joke on the United States of America's citizens in all of its history. We need to push this bill before 2006 to get the Republicans and all of their misery out of congress starting now.

Our collective question needs to be, "Why is a bill with 130 co-sponsors struck in committee?"

End of story!

Links
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/article.php?list=type&type=43
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.2239:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.00550:

[lonestarnot]

78. Yeah just why the fuck is it in committee with 130 co-sponsors?

Unbelievable! Don't know whether to scratch my watch or wind my balls as Dolly would say.

[Califooyah Operative]

72. good. nt

[seeker4ever]

73. So he thinks there were irregularities...wow!

He's a real sharp cookie. I hope he shuts up though.

[lonestarnot]

79. Nah! He should never shut up... I hang on his every word! He would have

been a great leader if he hadn't been cheated! by a roving hitler!

[blm]

95. Then you join with Ann Coulter and Rush. They want Kerry to shut up, too.

Of course, the man who investigated and exposed more government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history did not earn the right to speak up and be heard. But, YOU earned the right to tell him to shut up. Wow....you must have some record of accomplishments to be in the position to demand Kerry's silence.

[LittleClarkie]

100. The farther you go to the right or to the left

the more they sort of meet on the other side. I often find them in agreement on Kerry, re: flip flopping and windsurfing and elitist crud. Worries me more than alittle.

There are lefty freepers to go with the righty freepers. But I guess if you're going to have a light, you need a dark to put it in. The darker the night, the brighter the light. Rather goes for some uber religious folk as well, as in the greater the need for change in one's life, the more violent the religious conversion.

But understanding why some folks are the way they are, and wanting to deal with extreme views day in and day out are two different things. There is a certain detachment from reality. God forbid the facts should get in the way of a good theory.

[w4rma]

75. Tell us what WE need to DO and we will do it. I want a strategy.

I want to know that there is a short and long term strategy to remedy this. I want to know what that strategy (or at least the parts of it that *I* can be a part of) is so that WE can help.

Yes. The first step is to admit there is a problem. NOW we need a PLAN. *Now* we need to be told what to do so we can get to work.

[lonestarnot]

81. Ask Howard or Hillary and we need to drill the deficit and oil prices

outsourcing and taxes and if they suceed with social security and bk bills...we won't have to do much...

[alittlelark]

82. If Kerry becomes loud and effective on Election Reform

I would consider voting for him again in 2008. This is the ONLY way I would consider him to be a contender.

I wish him ALL THE BEST.....Really!

[PATRICK]

94. Courageously, defiantly

adopting a weak and ineffectual position little different from the duped and I'm OK, you're not position on November 5th.

That is what impresses me. The honest, determined principles of weakness and tepid sidestepping. He is far from alone among Democrats in that. I don;'t think that like Dan Rather they are afraid of telling people the hard facts. I think they only believe the soft facts themselves.

[Bluesplayer]

96. give me a break

I got out of a hospital bed with chest pains to go vote for Kerry, and it was still the right choice. Dems will never win another presidency until they play at the same mean level as their opponents.

[DemonFighterLives]

101. Welcome to DU Bluesplayer!

Hope you're feeling better. Time to dig in and fight tooth and nail. :hi:

[Melynn]

102. I'm going to wait and see what Kerry does

I'm wondering if Kerry is serious about finding out about fraud or is just playing up to the base of the Democratic party. If he can stop another stolen, crooked election in 2006 then he will be my hero. If not, I won't vote for him in 2008.