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JamboGuide Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:02 PM
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Northeast and West CRUSHING the South and Midwest---> Gay Rights
Has anyone noticed how said areas have become more GAY under our very eyes? Conn. LEGALIZES Civil Unions WITHOUT court interference, NY is, i think, going to legalzie gay marriage, Cal. passed law to defend civil rights of gay couple, Wash says gay marriage ban is UNCONSTITUTIONAL (though they r still fighting on civil right bill.) Now, this is happening for OBVIOUS reasons, but what abotu ANNOTHER reason. Could it be they r trying to make the REST of the country look BAD? Make THEM look backward, drachonian, whatever. Like "Hey look at us we are the REAL AMerica, u r Third World trash leftover over from cotton and pioneering days" Also, since WE have more money to spend, all these states would, i ASSUME, get more gay dollars and more JOBS by gay ppl. This COULD cripple the economy in SOME states. Me thinks New ENgland and NorthWest r pulling an EU.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:07 PM
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1. I'd like to see us secede from the union
We blue states have less and less in common with those folks in the red states.
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ProgressiveConn Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:14 PM
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3. No.
They are the minority! They have just used propaganda and electoral manipulation quite successfully. Let them leave the Union. We should have let them leave 140 years ago... Well at least after we went down crushed their armies, executed every slaveholder and turned their land over to the slaves.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:31 PM
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15. I hate to tell you this, but your state is 46% red.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/WA/

Are you going to evict that 46% when you secede?

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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:12 PM
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2. There will certainly come a day, when history looks back
at this time, and people are roundly stunned and embarrassed at the rest of the country and the ideas they had about civil rights for gay folks.

It WILL happen. And, yes, then CT, and MA, and VT and NY and CA and WA will start easily look like the only sane places. We're just not there yet.

I hope it does make these places even better places to live. They're pretty nice already, actually.
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JamboGuide Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:19 PM
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4. But....
Does anyone agree w. my assesment. That the blue states REALLY BELIEVE the Blue/Red state war. Want to make them look BAD. Make the Blues look like the TRUE America. Rake in the $$$$ while promoting gay rights.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:20 PM
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6. No
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:28 PM
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12. No
I don't think they're considering financial implications very heavily -- except the more mundane ones about how much changing the laws might cost them.

It's actually about fairness and equality. Strange as that seems in this day and age.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:20 PM
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8. I wish the fundies would leave my county.
I live in California, but in a rather RED county, full of fundies and neocons. It's a beautiful place to live, but I get frustrated with the people. :(
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:19 PM
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5. If anyone is trying to play the
"i'm a real american card" it's the radical right.

And no one can make another "look" good or bad. Look to your own actions when you want to discover who is "making" you look good or bad.

And I use "you" in the general sense I'm stating no assumptions about the author of the OP.

Although I will point out no one is becoming "more GAY" by passing laws affirming equal rights for everyone.
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Ithuilwen Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:20 PM
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7. Maine just passed a bill prohibiting discrimination against gays,
as I understand it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:21 PM
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9. Yes but those areas are not becoming "more GAY"
No amount of legislation will make people's sexual identity different. That's what the "Heartland" folk think is going to happen anyhow! :crazy:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:25 PM
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10. actually I think it would affect who chooses to move there
I can't imagine places like Massachusetts and Vermont didn't get some influx of gays after legalizing unions for gays.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:27 PM
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11. If so it's not news around here
That's the funny thing, Massachusetts did not fall into the ocean. Lava did not start flowing from the Berkshires. It's same old same old around here, no one's marriage is being "attacked"! :)
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:30 PM
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13. I am not implying the effect would be massive
but I would think it would be existent. Heck, even cities find gays moving to them from surrounding country places when the cities are only somewhat more tolerant. I think Vermont would have been more affected than Massachusetts given how small Vermont is. It would be interesting to find out how many immigrants Vermont got between 2000 and 2004.
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:31 PM
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14. Unfortunately there is no "movement" in CT
There is no attempt to make others look bad. It's just that most (CT) people feel that this is the right thing to do. If the State was truely Liberal, we'd be instuting gay marriage, not Civil Unions.

I hope CT starts a trend, but realize we're not that organized on political issues.






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