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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:09 PM
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Face the Facts- The Game is Over
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 11:13 PM by chlamor
Global Eye
By Chris Floyd

http://context.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/04/08/12...

Let's face the facts. The game is over and we -- the "reality-based community," the believers in genuine democracy and law, the heirs of Jefferson and Madison, Emerson and Thoreau, the toilers and dreamers, all those who seek to rise above the beast within and shape the brutal chaos of existence into something higher, richer and imbued with meaning -- have lost. The better world we thought had been won out of the blood and horror of history -- a realm of enlightenment that often found its best embodiment in the ideals and aspirations of the American Republic -- is gone. It's been swallowed by darkness, by ravening greed, by bestial spirits and by willful primitives who now possess overwhelming instruments of power and dominion.

A gang of such spirits seized control of the U.S. government by illicit means in 2000 and maintained that control through rampant electoral corruption in 2004. The re-election of President George W. Bush last November was a deliberately shambolic process that saw massive lockouts of opposition voters; unverifiable returns compiled by easily hackable machines operated by avowed corporate partisans of the ruling party; and vast discrepancies between exit polls and final results gaps much larger than those that led elections in Ukraine and Georgia to be condemned as manipulated frauds. Indeed, a panel of statisticians said last week that the odds of such a discrepancy occurring naturally were 959,000 to 1, the Akron Beacon-Journal reported.

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Late last year, Congress heard sworn testimony from Florida programmer Clint Curtis, who created vote-rigging software in 2000 at the request of Tom Feeny, a Bush Family factotum. Feeny wanted Curtis (a fellow Republican) and his employer, Yang Enterprises, to produce untraceable programs that could "control the vote" as needed, investigator Brad Friedman reported. Feeny also told Curtis of Bush plans to "suppress the black vote" with "exclusion lists." This is exactly what happened. BBC investigator Greg Palast has shown that tens of thousands of legitimate African-American voters were deliberately "purged" from the rolls by a private Republican-controlled corporation hired by Florida Governor Jeb Bush. Afterwards, Feeny -- who had been Jeb's running mate in his first gubernatorial campaign -- was rewarded for his dutiful service with a plum congressional seat.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:11 PM
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1. working link
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:16 PM
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2. "The better world we thought had been won... is gone"
No, it's not gone - it's over the pond - Scandinavia, parts of Europe... up in Canada... Venezuela maybe... :shrug:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:29 PM
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3. Typical when a civilization/culture center crumbles - satellites blosson
We were supposed to last a bit longer though, but I guess everything is accelerated now.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:31 PM
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4. Share the writer's views but...
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 11:38 PM by teryang
...the game is never over. The excesses of this regime may or may not contain the seeds of its destruction. This ruling clique has operated with impunity for some time. This is "Who rules America." The same kind of shit has been going on for decades, only now its worse because the constitutional integrity of the United States has been destroyed. Yet this very extreme may mobilize some sort of counter reaction, however feeble, that may reverse our fortunes. The effort in Iraq is putting tremendous pressures on the government and the economy that are ignored and suppressed in an effort to pretend that they don't exist. This is what the talking points about chimps new upbeat attitude are all about. It's the Potemkin village approach to bad news. The virtual blackout achieved on news coverage from Iraq is very helpful and very misleading at the same time.

My feeling is that reversal will come from resistance from without the US. Significant military or economic failure(s) could bring the regime down relatively quickly. Of course this is the sort of fortuitous outcome that one doesn't like to have to hope for. That is symptomatic of how bad things really are.

Love Chris Floyd. Always enjoy reading his stuff. He is right, rational politics, the type the founders had in mind, is over.
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Greenbeard Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:39 PM
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5. Yes, we are in serious trouble
but the game in not yet over. I know this will sound strange and many will disagree. To those that do I say look a little bit harder. We ARE surrounded by good people. They have been blinded by the false patriotism and false religion of this administration. However, these things are false and any false prophet can be defeated. Stay strong. Stay vigilant. We are slowly waking up. It is understandable that it is taking so long. After all, sleep is sooooooo nice sometimes. Especially when you know that as soon as you wake up you have a whole lot of work to get to.

Hang in there. Not saying in will be pretty. But it will BE.
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Greenbeard Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:39 PM
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6. Yes, we are in serious trouble
but the game in not yet over. I know this will sound strange and many will disagree. To those that do I say look a little bit harder. We ARE surrounded by good people. They have been blinded by the false patriotism and false religion of this administration. However, these things are false and any false prophet can be defeated. Stay strong. Stay vigilant. We are slowly waking up. It is understandable that it is taking so long. After all, sleep is sooooooo nice sometimes. Especially when you know that as soon as you wake up you have a whole lot of work to get to.

Hang in there. Not saying it will be pretty. But it will BE.
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Greenbeard Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:41 PM
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7. Yes, we are in serious trouble
but the game in not yet over. I know this will sound strange and many will disagree. To those that do I say look a little bit harder. We ARE surrounded by good people. They have been blinded by the false patriotism and false religion of this administration. However, these things are false and any false prophet can be defeated. Stay strong. Stay vigilant. We are slowly waking up. It is understandable that it is taking so long. After all, sleep is sooooooo nice sometimes. Especially when you know that as soon as you wake up you have a whole lot of work to get to.

Hang in there. Not saying it will be pretty. But it will BE.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 06:57 AM
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19. Best. Post. Ever.
Except I haven't given up hope for a lack of "pretty," yet, either--in the semi-long term.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:38 PM
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27. We are indeed waking up
from the inside out. they're game is lost, they can fool some of the people some of the time , but you can't fool all of the people all of the time, its up to our elected NOW! to end this deception.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:10 AM
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38. Yeah, and If this hemisphere continues to shift toward populism, we may
get some outside help from other countries in isolating and eventually crushing neocon fascism.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 12:01 AM
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8. Chris Floyd again trumps our press.
Sorry, folks. The Commie Russian writer has waxed your vulnerable ass again! Check six! Look what is on your ass now!


The Big Blue Su-34

http://context.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/04/08/12 ...




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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 09:19 PM
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28. Built and designed to take out aircraft carriers.
Coming soon to the axis of evil theater near you, All courtesy of the interventionist prick and fascist neo-con invaders in the Pentagon.

That is one damn scary plane.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 12:07 AM
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9. I like this guy
I'm keeping my eyes on him. Could have stolen that from my own word processor.

Not sure much of the species is worth "imbuing" with anything other than a 2x4, however.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 12:23 AM
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10. Go gently into that quiet night...?
Not yet. Although he is a very good political writer.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 12:23 AM
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11. Aint no doubt ...... the election was stolen.
I live in Columbus, Ohio. It happened, end of story.

Ray Lemme got up one morning drove 120 miles to GA and committed suicide
in a hotel that had him checking in the night before.

Just like 80% of the new and undecided voters in Ohio thought at the last
minute ...... "Hey, I will vote for bush. He is a good and moral man."

NGU
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 12:29 AM
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12. there has probably been election fraud in every single solitary election
since the beginning of this country.

Unfortunately this time we fell into a glue trap. They delivered an cunning one/two punch, they got us with the 2000 debacle and goaded us into passing HAVA. HAVA is what enabled the theft of this election, and we will get past it, we will get out from under it.

I hope "we won't get fooled again" but being that liberals like to be happy and enjoy life and allow ourselves to believe that everyone else has the same goals, we fall too easily into the trap of complacency when things are going our way. What we should learn from this is that we can never ever let our guards down no matter who is president and how great a job we are doing running the country. The evil that is the right wing will persist and insist on their own misery and everyone elses no matter how peaceful and prosperous our nation becomes, and they will stop at nothing to see to it that their vision of misery and penitence plays out.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 04:04 AM
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13. great writing
Chris Floyd is a patriot in exile...
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MollyStark Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 04:25 AM
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14. This writer makes a common mistake
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 04:26 AM by MollyStark
He seeks to divide by religion. His use of the words "reality based community" he choses to insult rather than shed light. As a result he is of little use in this battle to win back the people from the false religiosity of the Bush family and the radical right.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 04:46 AM
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15. It's not a reference to religion at all
It's a reference to this article by Ron Suskind in the New York Times last year:

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/sloth/2004-10-16b.html


The enemies of the 'reality-based community' aren't the religious - they're the Republicans who manipulate the media and electoral system so relentlessly that all the evidence that voters see has been manufactured by the powerful for their own ends. Note that religion is never mentioned in the article - it's all about the fixing of elections and the justifications of wars.

I know it's a delicate time, but not everything is about religious views at the moment.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 04:54 AM
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16. I caught that right away...
Randi Rhodes has been using it too.

We are all proud members of the "Reality Based Community".

I read the quote that Susskind relates on Malloy one night. It is ominous indeed.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 06:29 AM
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17. Ah....the bitter irony that the free press...
...is in Moscow instead of the United States.

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 06:38 AM
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18. Recommended. n/t
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:40 AM
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20. A nation that continues year after year
to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death. -MLK

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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 07:28 PM
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21. Where are we going?-Where have we been?
" If we are not careful, we will end up where we are headed."
Lakota Proverb


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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 07:52 PM
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22. More grist for the mill.
From March 2005,

Another mysterious suicide connected with Clint Curtis, the Florida programmer who testified about vote rigging software.


http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001243.htm
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:17 PM
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24. they pave pradise and put up a parking lot

With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot
Don’t it always seem to go
That you don’t know what you’ve got
Till it’s gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
jm
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:16 PM
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23. Say, you want a revolution?

A gang of such spirits seized control of the U.S. government by illicit means in 2000 and maintained that control through rampant electoral corruption in 2004.


It's all part of the silent revolution taking place in the highest levels of government. This revolution is not a grassroots revolution, no, this an an elitist filled uprising determined to alter the American style of Democracy forevermore.

No longer will citizens have a voice in it's government, if they get their way. "Watch what you say" their spokeman has proclaimed!

"Who cares what you think," saith the fearful leader!

Anthrax gone unsettled. Patriot Act. Pre-emptive war. Never has this country revoluted in such a manner, in such a short period of time.

It is a Revolution, only it is also a criminal enterprise. Be aware.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:27 PM
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25. The news media screws us again!!!
You want to know what's fucked up? Last month, it was binges of Schiavo and Jackson, but look at this!

The copious documentation of the Bush fraud keeps growing. Last month, experts using actual machines and returns from the 2004 election showed Congress how a lone hacker could skew a precinct's results by 100,000 votes without leaving a trace. More than 40 million votes in 30 states were cast on such computer systems, BlackBoxVoting noted.

Don't you love the pursuit of sensationalism for greater profits at the expense of what is truly important?
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:33 AM
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34. Do you have a link?
What's the source of that quote?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:28 AM
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35. It's in the link found at the beginning of the thread.
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PleadTheFirst Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:31 PM
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26. Two quotes come to my mind ...
"Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always." - Gandhi

and

"Over? Did you say over? NOTHING is over until we decide it is!" - Bluto Blutarsky

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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 09:28 PM
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29. No. No, it's not. That's why we're here. As long as we are here...
it's not over.
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yojon Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 09:40 PM
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30. Its over for him if he says it is
but Im not ready to abandon yet. Might take a long time.. we might never see it.. but the fascist's shell will implode from its own evil and weight.
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:53 AM
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31. Its over.
The question is what next. Or what is going to happen the American people realize they can't stop the neo-cons because of election fraud. Then things will start to get interesting.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:50 AM
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32. then it isn't over
What Happens Next.

It surely will be interesting. It will not be pleasant.

too many guns in the hands of ignorant, religion-motiviated people who will become extremely frustrated(gas prices, economy, judges, etc); as their disenfranchisement grows, so will their simmering anger.

sound familiar? its the american taliban rank and file. and they'll be looking for targets

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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 06:15 AM
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33. Those where my thoughts
and yes, I guess you're right. It isn't over. Not by a long shot (no pun intended).
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 09:06 AM
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36. Take a long term view.
This is standard doom & gloom. Hell, the control that they have is marginal at most. You are posting on this site aren't you?

Take a look at the total control the Communists had in the old Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe, and that passed away. If you had even distributed unauthorized leaflets in the USSR or it empire, you went to the gulag.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:01 AM
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37. Kick.............
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Blackdog4241 Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:16 AM
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39. I Love The Article But....
I have to disagree with the notion that Congress heard any testimony from Clint Curtis or any other source.
I've seen both of Rep.John Conyers Jr's forums and I don't remember seeing but a few members of the Judiciary Committee and the Black Caucus.
(All Dem's)
That's hardly Congress.
As far as the main bodies of the House and Senate are concerned.These hearings never took place and never will.

And another thank you to the MSM for keeping us informed on this.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:00 PM
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40. welcome to DU, Blackdog!
just thought i'd say hello -- :)
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Blackdog4241 Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:17 PM
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41. Thank You nashville_ brook
I've been hear for a year or more.
Never felt the need to post anything.
My opinions have usually already been posted and I don't feel the need to repeat what's already been said.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:25 PM
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42. Thank you, Moscow Times
New York Times, are you ready to respond? I'm holding my breath.
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