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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:31 PM
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I've had enough. rant.
I have had enough of seeing Bush. I have had enough of stupidity being glorified. I have had enough of unnecessary wars. I have had enough of the looming darkness over the country and the constant death watches while our soldiers' deaths and injuries get ignored completely. I have had enough of holier than thou attitudes of the Republicans and the Religious Right. I have had enough of faux patriotism. Having my side called traitors and sinners. I am tired of the bad economy and I am tired of having to prove myself to get a job. My background should speak for itself. I want to beat these people in the worst way. I want to wipe those smug expressions off of their faces once and for all. I want it so bad I can taste it. My anger is a tide that will not ebb. :rant:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:32 PM
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1. Ditto.
:rant:

Peace!
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:36 PM
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2. I can't agree more
and it frustrates me because I feel so helpless.

Let me add, I am extremely tired of the media playing on the pope There is only so much one can say, only so much one can repeat.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:39 PM
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3. You said it.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:40 PM
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4. You are not alone......
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:45 PM
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5. .
ditto
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:45 PM
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6. I can empathise, truly
I got tired of being called a moron, a cunt and worse by RWers on the board I was on.... so I came here.

The thing that bothers me the most though, is that is exactly what they wanted me to do. Give up.

It's what GW hopes we all do.

:hide:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:56 PM
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10. True
I'm also tired of being told to leave if I disagree. :banghead: That isn't how things are supposed to be. We're supposed to work together instead of them telling me to move to France or Canada. Fuck them!
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:40 PM
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39. Or swim to Cuba
They quit telling me to go back to Russia!!
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:57 PM
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11. Yes -- the "Surrender, Dorothy!" syndrome
Isn't it remarkable that the people who think of themselves in the most assured possession of the truth who are the ones who are most threatened by people who disagree with them?

And, let's face it -- most people are group oriented and don't want to stick out. So the tactic that is used by authoritarians is to build a "Potemkin Village" of imaginary consensus. For example, two dozen protestors outside a hospice in FL can monopolize the media for weeks, whereas hundreds of thousands, or even (worldwide) millions marching against Bush or the war in Iraq do not even get a mention. They don't REPORT what is going on as much as selectively use it to advance a political agenda.

They may be succeeding in the short term by fooling good people but inevitably, they will fail because they are built on deception -- they implode because they cannot bring themselves to make an honest assessment about ANYTHING.

Look at the Bush "town hall" phenomenon. Or Bush refusing to address the Parliament of our closest ally. Because the "popular support" might evaporate if anyone was able to critically examine some issue....

And now we're being told "Liberalism is DEAD! Never to be resusitated!" They have to say it again and again and again and again -- and then stick their fingers in their ears and shout it again and again and again -- because it ISN'T dead.
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:09 PM
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14. Thank you
I will NEVER surrender.

But....... I may back off to recharge my batteries for a while.

The thing is their poison starts to affect one and one can become as hateful and unforgiving as they are.

I got to an awful place. I'm coming back pretty quick after being here for a bit though. Glad you folks are here.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:36 PM
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16. There are lots of different ways to resist
Yes, it can be poisoning. But, you're going to be all right, because you truly oppose this crap -- you aren't merely substituting your dogma for theirs, which, I would suggest, indicates moral vacuity.

Part of the "Surrender Dorothy" syndrome is that they are trying to make you feel that you are mentally inferior, or somehow defective, for disagreeing with them. Some of us are reminded by this of how Communist China and the Soviet Union regarded dissent as mental illness, which was to be treated in re-education camps.

I have compared it to how women who are being battered feel -- their abusers are able to keep them in control by telling them no one will believe them and that they are crazy, etc. They have to keep up constant intense emotional chaos in the victim, to stop them from THINKING, because thought and analysis and acknowledgement of reality puts an end to such personal horrors.

You no doubt know of the concept of mental pathology. Well, my dear, imagine when whole societies sink into madness. Social Pathology.

The fact that you have gotten through this shit so far -- and yes, I KNOW how wrenching it can be -- shows you are innately strong and that you WILL survive to see the rebirth of reason and freedom.

I wish i could say that this is going to be over soon. Sadly, I feel it's going to get a lot worse beore it gets better. We all have to find ways to resist, or fight, if we can, in the meantime.

WELCOME TO DU, you good American!!! :hi:
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:01 AM
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20. That's just what I needed to hear
I'll go back there and kick some RWers behind. They wear ya down, but I know they have nothing but verbal abuse and ad hominems in the face of reason and logic. Any of you ever hear of Bart Katz? He's a piece of work, for sure. The way he can twist words is on the level of Hermann Goering.

I have a sinking feeling you are right about it getting worse before it gets better. Your 'battered' analogy fits. The American people are being battered left and right. Everyday--EVERYDAY--it's something else, more executive rule changes to get around Congress, another bogus report that conveniently ignores the VPs involvment of the lies that led to the war, undermining the court system, reports of torture and abuse... it just goes on and on and on and on!

No wonder so many prefer to "go along to get along," but we all have our limits. There will come a day when the "mob wakes up."

Thanks for the welcomes. I appreciate them very, very VERY much.

:toast:



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Pounder Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:10 AM
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23. Newbie, Too..
Edited on Mon Apr-04-05 10:55 AM by Pounder
I know exactly what you are talking about, A Worker Bee. I, too, was on a board that literally turned into a fascist, authoritarian circle jerk! A bona fide good ol'boys club where every post was devoted to patting each other on the back for a job well done...unless, of course, you had a contradictory P.O.V.

If you had an opinion even slightly askew of the party line, you were literally brow-beaten until you either submitted, or threw up your arms, and left in disgust. I haven't left there, but I'm not there nearly as much now. Actually, In retrospect, most of the forward thinking people that were there moved on to greener, more pro-active pastures, leaving a very small core of inbred hate-mongers.

I say let'm rot in their own vileness & filth!

I've been poking around here...this place is huge! Lot's of different ideas, and not a lot of hate. I know that the vast majority of people aren't the poison spewing bastards that I've been butting heads with for far too long now. I know this because I've experienced other realities, in other lands. I've been to third world countries, and I've seen the devastation...the horrendous, and heartbreaking conditions that soooo many people are living in. And yet, in spite of their dismal station in life, and despite any previous dealings with the classic "ugly American" they might have had, the vast majority of them were still uncommonly kind and generous. I've also witnessed the behaviour of more than a few arrogant and condescending Americans in these countries, and it's no wonder that Americans are so despised in so many places...but, I will say this, if I may...I've visited a few places where Americans were not as well loved as we like to think, and I was not greeted with open arms..BUT, when I left those places, the majority, if not all, of the people that I personally came in contact with, had a higher regard for Americans than they did before my arrival there.

I'm not bragging, because I did nothing to brag about...unless you consider treating people with respect and kindness something to brag about.

We will overcome...I refuse to lose hope!

O! One more thing, A Worker Bee....I noticed your quotated reference to "the mob"....are you a Sandburg fan, perchance?

:)
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:29 AM
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27. Welcome Pounder!
Hope you enjoy it here! :hi:
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Pounder Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 04:41 PM
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30. Tanx fer dat!
I already do!

:hi:
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Pounder Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:27 PM
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33. Appalachia 2-Step
Would I be wrong in assuming that the tn in tnlefty is fer Tennessee?



Just now I'm listening to the Gandy Dancers, and a little Blind Alfred Reed...good ol' Appalachian music.

:woohoo:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 04:48 PM
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31. Weeeellllllcome!
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:15 PM
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32. Welcome to DU n/t
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Pounder Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:41 PM
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34. Howdy Ya'll!
Thanks peeps!

MisterP, & taught_me_patience, and everbody else in these here parts!



:toast:

My Country Awake

Where the mind is without fear and the head held high;
Where knowledge is free;
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls;
Where words come out from the depth of truth;
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection;
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;
Where the mind is led forward by Thee into ever-widening thought and action;
Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.

by Rabindranath Tagore


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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:04 PM
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35. Perhaps
I Am the People, the Mob


I AM the peoplethe mobthe crowdthe mass.

Do you know that all the great work of the world is done through me?
I am the workingman, the inventor, the maker of the worlds food and clothes.

I am the audience that witnesses history. The Napoleons come from me and the Lincolns. They die. And then I send forth more Napoleons and Lincolns.

I am the seed ground. I am a prairie that will stand for much plowing. Terrible storms pass over me. I forget. The best of me is sucked out and wasted. I forget. Everything but Death comes to me and makes me work and give up what I have. And I forget.

Sometimes I growl, shake myself and spatter a few red drops for history to remember. ThenI forget.

When I, the People, learn to remember, when I, the People, use the lessons of yesterday and no longer forget who robbed me last year, who played me for a foolthen there will be no speaker in all the world say the name: The People, with any fleck of a sneer in his voice or any far-off smile of derision.

The mobthe crowdthe masswill arrive then.

Carl Sandburg, 1916.

;)
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Pounder Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:12 PM
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36. Magnificent!
:applause:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:14 PM
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15. I remember a time when Time magazine
had a cover proclaiming GOD is dead. What happened?
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:57 PM
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17. It's an urban legend
The myth is that people who are secular in public orientation reject God. Or that the advances in science, such as evolutionary science or physics, means that people who are knowledgable on such matters reject God, because supposedly these bits of science totally paint God out of the picture. And supposedly every person exposed to Darwin and progressive ideas, like civil rights, are responsible for the ills that now plague society, but apparently never existed before. Supposedly science laughs at God.

Nonsense.

So, sure, there are authoritarian absolutist atheists, and there are authoritarian absolutist divinists. But most of us can happily live in the freemarket of ideas, and tolerate, if not wholly embrace, the worldview of our neighbors.

That's why I am puzzled by people who demand that it be one way or another.

A famous evolutionary biologist I had the privilege to meet said that he never understood what the fuss is all about, because all he ever studies are facts, that he never has made any statements about absolute causation, which he thought was not the subject of his life's work.

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 12:19 AM
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18. I agree with that.... n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:04 PM
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13. Welcome to DU and never surrender! n/t
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 12:21 AM
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19. Thats what brought me here
Welcome to DU :hi:
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:30 AM
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21. I want to welcome you too
We are going through some very dark times. Hang in there!
:hi:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:33 AM
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22. Welcome to DU, A Worker Bee
Glad you found some sanity on the internet.


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:16 AM
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24. Well we sure don't allow THAT kind of language here!
Welcome to DU.:toast:
(It sounds like you were someplace that isn't long on logical arguement.)

They will become increasing irrelevant as America wakes up and wonders where the "news" went.
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:32 PM
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38. You are all so kind
It may take some getting used to.



:yourock:
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:46 PM
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7. ME TOO! And what's more....
...I am deeply troubled that I believed the post-WWII "NEVER AGAIN!" crap, and thought mankind had learned through such global tragedy that we would never see militarism and genocide -- and the embrace of these horrors -- be suffered to repeat.

I used to study stuff like this, in history. I never imagined I would ever live in a negatively transformational era; this I used to wonder "How did such a thing ever happen?" -- now, I think I know -- evil rises stealthfully, and people find themselves engulfed in events, unable to escape, like a tsunami.

Sadly, I don't see how any of this is going to play out for the foreseeable future.

You don't see them on CNN, but I know there still are authentic moral leaders out there. They are opposing the rise of fascism in our time just as surely as a young Karol Wojtyla did Poland, against the Nazis and the Soviets.

It may be decades before we emerge from this madness.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:51 PM
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8. Would like to slap em in the puss w/o a problem for what they are doin'
to us...to our country! You go ahead on an rant...does a soul good.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:54 PM
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9. I know how you feel
I'm tired of it myself. It's always been this way though. With the democrats being "traitors" and all that nonsense. I'm fed up with Bush getting free passes. If this was a democratic president doing the SAME thing his head would've been hung long ago but with Bush and the republicans they get away with it all the time. I'm freakin fed up with all the shit!
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:01 PM
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12. Tell it
I agree. I'm sick of not being employed just because I didn't attend WKU, being called godless because I graduated from EMU, and the endless media on anything remotely religious which cheapens it.
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Butterflies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:21 AM
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25. I know. Where is their backlash? When will people wake up?
The problems are so ridiculously obvious now, and I can't believe half of America can't see what's going on. The Republican party has all 3 branches of government now and the future of our country depends on a rebalance of power.
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lasttrip Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:24 AM
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26. count me in on that.
there are even days i have to take a break from du. i think many people have reached or are nearing their breaking point. i see more and more people waking up, although i do live in NYS. people i have avoided because of past confrontations have actually come up to me and admitted they were wrong for not giving any credence to my views.


sorry to steal a sig line but - NGU!

peace.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:48 AM
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28. * is a symptom, not the disease.
I save the real hate for the players who manipulate him and both major parties. Money is the problem; when we let it speak, it silences the rest of us.
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Discord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:57 AM
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29. *standing ovation*
Welcome to the club. Even my activist family has been taken aback by my fire and passion in which I have found. I feel like the grip of evil is dragging my down and its a constant fight to keep my head above water. I just want to scream sometimes, but then I think... who will hear me? who would care? I start to feel more and more isolated as I see the people I called allies turn and fire at each other in their desperation. I feel powerless in a community where I fight to get people to act, but to no avail. They just smile and nod, apathetic and frustrated, with a shrug of the shoulders as if to say... what can I do? Its like running into a brick wall, falling down, getting back up again only to run again full tilt into the same wall. I draw attention to issues, and see only division and bitterness spread around like warm butter on bread. Put too many mice in a cage and they will eventually kill themselves off.

Its a sad state of affairs we are in, and the light at the end of the tunner grows darker and farther away every day. But regardless of the insurmountable odds I may face, I cannot give up, will not give in. It is in my spirit to fight, and I will continue to fight as long as I have air in my lungs in which to speak out with.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:18 PM
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37. Tell me about it.
I'd had enough after about one week of the Bush administration, and it's gone steadily downhill ever since. It's just unimaginable that we'll have four more years of him - it's like a bad dream you can't wake up from.

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