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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:33 AM
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The Egg, Pie, and Salad Dressing Rebellion..
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 12:30 PM by SoCalDem
Today on Washington Journal, a teensy bit of the Ann Coulter incident was mentioned and then a bit about the salad dressing incident with pat Buchanan. Of course Brian Lamb chuckled a bit when he reported it, and seemed truly confused as to why this is happening.
People make a long distance call to C-Span, sometimes dialing for hours....get through..and if they are not disconnected duing the interminable wait, they are given a scant 30-45 SECONDS to try to make their point. Of course if there is a "guest", the guest always gets the oppportunity to totally ignore the comments or just re-spin their propaganda.

What Brian does not understand is this:

When ordinary people are DENIED their opportunity to set the record straight, and are finally tired of hearing propaganda, they will resort to extremes, just to make a point. We rarely see "the pundits" squirting salad dressing or tossing the occasional egg. The reason they don't have to is that they have virtually unlimited air time, and have the capability to "silence" any and all "guests" who dare to disagree with them.

The president and his minions travel the US on OUR dime, and then speak before hand-picked audiences. If a detractor manages to get inside, and has the courage to say his/her piece, they are unceremoniously escorted OUT, and possibly arrested. The next time they try to fly, they might find out there are further ramifications too..

A person like Coulter is paid 10s of thousands of dollars to spew hatred, and then "deputizes" burly republican students to "throw the dissenters out". This is incitement to violence, pure and simple, and she's being paid by a university that is supported by ALL our tax dollars, democrats and republicans.

Pat Buchanan may have every right to say his xenophobic "piece", but he should expect to hear some opposition when he ventures outside his little media cocoon. Salad Dressing is actually quite inventive when you consider that lettuce pickers tend NOT to be blond, blue-eyed wasps.

When a Vice president or president "visits" a town, it should not be unusual for the general public to take notice and want to participate in some way. Tossing an egg at a vehicle that would probably fare well in a nuclear blast, is not a threat..especially when it's tossed by an adolescent girl.

None of these bold "attacks" are sophisticated or even original, but it's a symptom of just how frustrated half (or more) of the nation has become. It's kind of like a water balloon.. Squeeze one part of it, and the water will just go to the other side, but if you twist it and poke it and stomp on it, the water balloon will eventually burst.

It is ironic though, that these pranks are widely reported, when millions of people in the streets marching, is not..

Civil disobedience is a long-held tenet of our country and "first amendment zones", hermetically sealed leaders and storm-troopers lining the streets are starting to bring out the "kid" in all of us..

We must be careful though... There was a girl who put a flower in a gun barrel...and then 4 students died.. (Kent State)

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:34 AM
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1. Well written!
And AMEN! :thumbsup:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:40 AM
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2. Thnaks.. I have a question for ya..
Did KO ever wear your tie?? I forget where the KOEB thread is these days.. I enjoy all the funny posts in it..:)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:43 AM
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4. YES! He did. TWICE now.
Is that not just TOO COOL FOR SCHOOL? :loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:

Photographic evidence:


The nightly thread is still in the Election Results and Discussion Forum, but we also have a Countdown/KO Group as well. C'mon by anytime! The show is actually doing their own liveblog now, so our thread is considerably less informative, but we still have the virtual drinks and the virtual table dancing! :evilgrin:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:45 AM
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6. I wonder if he knows all the machinations that went into
the slection of that nice tie:)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:52 AM
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9. I think he, or his staff, must drop by DU from time to time,
so I think they know where it came from. Now, whether they realize it took FIVE DAYS of online tie shopping ... hee! Who knows. Oh well, it's all good fun. :7
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:41 AM
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3. Be-ooo-teeful!
Thanks.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:44 AM
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5. Nominated.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:47 AM
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7. GMTA.. I missed that one
I have been culling "stuff" and am not here much lately.. Our neighborhood is having a garage sale, and I am getting stuff ready to sell (hopefully)..and with the Schiavogasm of late, I have not enjoyed myself here much :)
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:49 AM
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8. Wonderful !!! - Nominated By Me Too !!!
:yourock:
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:56 AM
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10.  Great post!
:)
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:58 AM
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11. There are two types of terrorists
the evil terrorists like george bush, and the disenfranchised terrorist who starts with salad dressing.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:59 AM
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12. excellent post AND excellent graphics!!!
How's my kitties doing? :hi:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:09 PM
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oops.. a dupe
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 12:10 PM by SoCalDem
:)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:09 PM
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13. The kitties are napping
and are as ornery as ever:)
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Sewsojm Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:10 PM
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14. Fantastic !!
"Kick"


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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:17 PM
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15. Anyone here remember the 1960's?
There were genuinely interesting protests then. Chicago 1968. The hippies nominating a pig named "Pigasus" as the Democratic candidate. They used the four-letter words the media was afraid of. The protests had the impetuousness and courage of youth. The protestors (and I admit I wasn't one of them) didn't care if they were clubbed or imprisoned; they were going to make their point and make it loud.

Then, Kent State happened. The protestors suddenly discovered that they could be killed doing protests. That cooled their ardor really quick. That cooling has gone on so long, the people protesting the current administration are afraid to get so in-your-face, choosing to be "responsible" and "intelligent" protestors. As if that ever worked.

If the people here really cared about their protests, they'd load up on salad dressing, bring their farm animals to Bush's speeches and wear loose-fitting pants so they could moon Ann Coulter at appropriate moments.
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MockSwede Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 04:16 PM
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47. Helman's!
We should protest in good taste! Only HELMAN's mayonnaise! In fact, throw it while still in the glass jar! It IS time to protest loudly again. (I started a bit young in 1967, myself.)
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:18 PM
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16. It occurred to me this morning
after reading about the salad dressing incident that pressure really seems to be building. Your post gives color and detail to my vague feeling. Great job. Thanks.

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:19 PM
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17. Very well put.....
Frankly I think we need more civil disobedience like this, but Amurikans have become to comfortable and sedate. Why bother - it might interfere with watching Idol.
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:35 PM
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18. Eggs - cellent
Salad dressing, eggs, pies, etc.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:59 PM
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20. Now I am hearing "Simpsons" music in my head
:)
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:35 PM
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19. Bullseye!
better than a pie in the face!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:01 PM
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21. I was just thinking about this this morning!
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:03 PM
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22. Important point about the Coulter lecture, though:
She was a guest of an endowed lecture series. The university's money did not pay her, and the representative of the people whose money pays for the Vickers Lecture series invited Coulter.

(I am here at KU, so I am aware of stuff that doesn't get into the national reports.)
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:05 PM
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27. thanks for posting that so I didn't have to
she's still and hatemonger any way you cut it

"Ann, which is larger? Your adam's apple or your dick?"

wish i'da been there to see that one :rofl:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:58 PM
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33. BUT.. she was still at a public university..not Bob Jones
so it would be expected that a wide spectrum of people might go to her "performance"..

:hi: to a fellow Jayhawk:)
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:24 PM
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23. kick
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:31 PM
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24. There was a shoe thrown at Perle
...but he's not a pundit...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:11 PM
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34. Oooh. I had forgotten that one..
Too bad they weren't Mafia "shoes"...(the concrete ones)
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:58 PM
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25. well said
I was thinking when I heard about these things - what you said - people are getting frustrated and there doesn't seem to be a good outlet - so it's not a surprise to me.

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 03:48 PM
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26. kick
:kick:
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:18 PM
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28. Thank you for giving me a frame to think about this.

Good job.

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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:45 PM
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29. The spirit of the Boston Tea Party lives
in anyone who opposes this heavy-handed regime which puts dissenters in corrals and muffles the voices of the opposition. So, a thrown pie here or there. A heckler ot two. I see no harm. Especially if the "scoflaw" incident gets on the news. Because we need exposure. The professional liars, Swiftboat and all their adherents, are paid to get on the nightly news. We need our voices heard over Bush's paid thugs. And the media loves the visual of a gooey pie sliding down the face of some smug blowhard. That's the game.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:11 AM
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46. Not responding..and in large numbers to the SwiftieLiars did a lot of harm
beacuse it actually legitimized their lies to a lot of people.By not responding it looked as if our side was desperately looking for material to refute, and was unable to come up with any. Those guys should have been shouted down everywhere they went, and the Kerry camp should have been front-row center every place they went, and demanded "equal time"..

It's sad, but these days, the one with the loudest voice usually has their argument accepted.:(
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:34 PM
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30. Nice.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:42 PM
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31. Great Post...
Pat Buchanan doused with salad dressing

KALAMAZOO, Michigan (AP) -- Commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan cut short an appearance after an opponent of his conservative views doused him with salad dressing.

"Stop the bigotry!" the demonstrator shouted as he hurled the liquid Thursday night during the program at Western Michigan University. The incident came just two days after another noted conservative, William Kristol, was struck by a pie during an appearance at a college in Indiana.

<snip>

Buchanan's visit had evoked controversy on campus because it fell on the birthday of the late Mexican-American labor leader Cesar Chavez. Buchanan favors tighter controls on immigration.

Kristol, editor of the influential conservative magazine The Weekly Standard and former chief of staff to Vice President Quayle, was splattered by a student during a speech Tuesday at Earlham College in Richmond, Indiana.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/01/buchanan.attacked.ap/index.html

Crazy juxapose...Kristol and Buchy

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:45 PM
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32. They start throwing pies but if they get no voice...they will use bricks..
that is always the way it works.....

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Sir Craig Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:34 PM
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35. I know I'm risking a flame here...
...but aren't we supposed to be better than this? Engaging in food fights is sophomoric at best, and should one of those pies/eggs/whatever actually do some damage to the target (like scratch their corneas or whatever), then it becomes assault.

Believe me, I understand the frustration that is felt when some mindless twat like Coulter gets paid thousands to spew her bullshit, but petty acts of vengeance are not going to convert anyone (or rather, not convert anyone that we would want to be connected with), and instead becomes further fodder for the conservative talking heads, allowing them to shower the American viewing sheeple with images of random acts of food violence and then pontificating, "See how their debate style devolves into mayhem in the face of our superior wisdom."

I for one do not want to give pricks like Hannity, O'Reilly, Savage, et al that opportunity, and I would encourage everyone else here to not only distance themselves from this kind of petty behavior (behavior that should remain the sole property of freeping assholes), but discourage it in the strongest possible terms and instead continue to expose the idiocy of the far right through blogs, LTTEs, and frequent emails to the MSM. These actions may lack the momentary satisfaction one gets from seeing the right-wing blowhards being made to look foolish, but it certainly makes us look a hell of a lot better in the long run.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:44 AM
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36. I agree that we are "better than that", but frustration eventually
morphs into action. Luckily for our side, eggs, pies, shoes,and salad dressings are the weapons of choice.. Republicans seem a bit too comfortable issuing "fatwas" and offering $50K bounties on the LIVES of their supposed adversaries, even if they are republican judges who DARED to not give in to their histrionics.

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Sir Craig Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:08 PM
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40. The problem is, we need to stop the attacks NOW...
...before they become left-wing fataawa. Again, I understand the frustration, but it doesn't matter if you attacked these twits with feather pillows: it's still an attack, and no amount of frustration is cause enough to justify that (otherwise, all our protests against what ShrubCo has done to the Iraqis are moot).

And shrugging these attacks off or ignoring them is not an option: look at the drubbing the Congressional Dems took from the MSM when the Dems simply refused to get involved in the DeLay/Frist/Santorum "Shiavo Fiasco." All it would have taken was one brave Dem to step up and say, "No. This is a private matter that the federal government has no right to step into the middle of, because once we do, when or where will it stop?"

Again, fight these losers with reason, not violence -- don't descend to their level, or else you become that which you despise most: a pig-ignorant freeper.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:17 PM
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41. Um, excuse me, but that ain't happenin'.
>All it would have taken was one brave Dem to step up and say, "No. This is a private matter that the federal government has no right to step into the middle of, because once we do, when or where will it stop?"<

The false opposition is 'nutless'. I refuse to be castrated.



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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:40 AM
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37. next year's headlines?
I just wrote a verbose reply, as I do, but then I shit-canned it.

We're not the ones who will write next year's headlines, and the ones who do are taking the country steadily toward repression and violence. We see it, the rest of the world certainly sees it, the ones in power...well, if they have any understanding at all of the social dynamic that writes history then we can only conclude that they intend for it to happen.

And if their chickens come home to roost, "Four dead in Ohio" may not even make the front page.




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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:47 AM
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38. You are right.. They want conflict so badly, they can taste it.
That's what "sells".. people marching peacefully with signs is not "newsworthy", but a guy dragging a lifesized crucifix on a boat trailer is front page material. Calm discussion of the real issues we all face is a no-no, but thrombosis-inducing tirades are the norm on tv.

The "in your face" stance of republicans is breathtaking...and the acceptance of it, by so many is mindnumbingly dangerous.

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:15 PM
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42. I want to buy of those Venus de Milo statues
And drive around so that everybody has to look at it. :)


"Edinburgh yard art business told to hide nude statues"

http://www.southbendtribune.com/breakingnews/posts/2922.html
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:43 AM
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39. kick
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:32 PM
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43. Destroy them all
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:04 PM
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44. kick
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 11:52 PM
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:33 PM
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48. kick
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