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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 05:58 PM
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We all dislike Falwell but to advocate for his death is beneath DU
in my opinion. I know it isn't everyone, but I'm uncomfortable that it happens all too often on this site. I've even seen people post how they hoped the Pope would die. Falwell's a vengeful and hate-filled man, but WE are better than he is and the types at Freeperville who take pleasure when our heroes/leaders have been sick or at death's doorway.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 05:58 PM
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1. Prepare to be roasted. BTW, I agree with you. n/t
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battlebob1 Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:11 PM
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102. I agree also
If we wish him ill then we are guilty of the same meanness we accuse him of doing. We are better then that!
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dryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 11:06 AM
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123. Super ditto!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 05:59 PM
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2. I agree too.
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Cannikin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 05:59 PM
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Tit for tat. He all but advocates my death.
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 06:00 PM by Cannikin
but no, I'm not wishing for an expedited departure.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:02 PM
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11. Then tit for tat would be all but advocating his:
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 06:03 PM by Inland
Appropriate statements would be,
I won't miss him.
World will be a better place.
I'm sure his widow and children are grieving him, but I'm not

The most appropriate of all if you are going tit for tat is (drum roll please)
"Huh, must be AIDS, God's punishment"


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Cannikin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:04 PM
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15. I wouldnt wish AIDS on even him.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:14 PM
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30. Certainly not. I was just suggesting spreading a rumor
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:53 PM
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113. I won't miss him.
World will be a better place when he is gone.
I'm sure his widow and children are grieving him, but I'm not.

Thanks for the suggestions.

My thoughts exactly (the above statements).

And one more:

He has surely caused countless hurt and suffering - and I wish for him all he has directly and indirectly caused for myself and millions of others the world over. No more, no less.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 05:59 PM
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3. Can't disagree. I would be satisfied with him retiring above ground.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:00 PM
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4. agreed. eom.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:00 PM
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5. Biting tongue.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:00 PM
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6. Schadenfreude.
:shrug:
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:01 PM
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7. Beneath DU?
These days?
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Red State Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:25 PM
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39. Bingo!
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:46 PM
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54. AMEN!!
It's been really ugly.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:42 PM
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86. Good point! n/t
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:01 PM
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8. Noted n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:01 PM
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9. We should all rejoice! He is going to "Greener Pastures"
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:01 PM
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10. Pssst. Come here. I got something to show you
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/18/archive/main311660.shtml

(CBS) The Rev. Jerry Falwell apologized Monday for saying God had allowed terrorists to attack America because of the work of civil liberties groups, abortion rights supporters and feminists.

Falwell also said the terrorist attacks on the U.S. were "probably what we deserve."

The conservative minister made his remarks on "The 700 Club," the popular religious show on the Christian Broadcasting Network hosted by Pat Robertson. Robertson immediately said, "Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror."

more

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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:08 PM
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23. A conservative can get away with saying that sort of stuff.
Yet if a liberal suggests that we consider the motivation for 9-11, that person is accused of sympathizing with the terrorists.
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lyvwyr101 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:47 PM
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55. The Bible
In some "hands," the Bible is indeed a blunt instrument. The religious right in this country, does more "punching" than they do preaching.
Most established religions in this world, worship some form of a God. God wasn't "good" enough, for these people.
They "shifted" their focus to Jesus, his son. How arrogant can you be?
The answer........................pretty arrogant.

I do not recall any descriptions of Jesus thst describes him as enjoying "swinging" at people. Nor do I recall him discouraging the worship of his Father. They apparently, put other gods before him, and they enjoy something of a "brawling" God. go figure.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:50 PM
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59. Like this one?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:18 PM
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32. I'm aware of this and other comments he has made
but I still think we can demonstrate we are better than he is.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:45 PM
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52. Sorry, but I've run out of cheeks to turn. He's an evil man, and....
...should never have gotten to be as powerful as he is today.

If he goes, he will be no loss to me or anyone that I know.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:18 PM
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33. I don't need to advocate his death
he's going to die. fine with me. why should I be sad? or even happy for that matter? someone will come along to fill the vaccuum he leaves behind.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:02 PM
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12. For all of us who are helpless and feel
hopeless in the face of these tyrants, it is good to remember that ultimately everyone dies.
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Toby109 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:03 PM
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13. Exactly
Hate is a destructive thing. How does one think the Republican Party got started? Hell, it's basically in their platform.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:04 PM
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14. I agree, but...
good luck spreading that sentiment about. :-(
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:05 PM
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16. The emotions and anger toward this man are too great
Although I agree with you the man has done so much damage to our society that some cannot simply let it go.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:46 PM
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76. If he dies, an appropriate DU "funeral" would be a thread of just his
own quotes - with no responses or reactions.

I think we know what most (all except trolls or lurking freepers) of us here feel about the many comments he has made during his life.

Let his words be a testament to the man he is/was.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:56 PM
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114. Wonderful great idea.
And preserve it for all time for all to see what this creature was really like.

A true memorial.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:06 PM
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17. If God calls him home....
well... it was meant to be.

That's all I'm saying.
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SmileMaker Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:06 PM
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18. I totally agree - we shouldn't sink to the level of wishing death
on anyone, even those who would wish it on us.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:06 PM
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19. Medical science can save him, like it did Terri Schiavo. n/t
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:07 PM
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20. As he believes he is going to Heaven to be with Jesus,
I don't think wishing for his death is necessarily an evil thing.

I don't wish sorrow on his family, though. They're the ones who will suffer.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:07 PM
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21. FWIW, I agree. nt
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:07 PM
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22. He is going to die. He will not live forever.
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 06:08 PM by terrya
I will not regret his death, I will not offer any sympathy. I will not in the least pretend to say that I am saddened that he is dead. I will not engage in any phony bullshit "oh, we have to be nice" shit about this very personification of evil itself.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:08 PM
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24. I agree
I dislike him immeasurable and I won't grieve when he's gone. But I won't wish for an expedite death either.
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Medium Baby Jesus Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:09 PM
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25. I am doing it privately n/t
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:10 PM
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26. I don't agree.
The hateful things that that man has advocated have ruined people's lives. While I'd agree that taking the high road might be admirable, I'm not going to blame people for their reactions to his ill health and possible impending death.

Honestly, I don't blame them any more than I'd blame someone for hating their rapist and being gleeful at their death. While I think it takes extraordinary character to be able to rise above and forgive someone who committed such a horrible act against you, I'm not going to blame those who can't. That is how I feel about the reactions to the news about Falwell. I'm not going to point at them and judge them for those reactions that, let's face it, Falwell deserves.
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BornLeft Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:10 PM
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27. Actually
I am hoping his fundie brethren make him suffer long. Respirator,feeding tube, dialysis the works. Hope they can keep him alive like that for 50 years.
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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:12 PM
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28. Falwell
I agree, I have no use for Falwell but gloating at the death of people is contemptible--no matter their politcs. I remember the hateful statements on right-wing blogs after Paul Wellstone's death. We're better than that.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:14 PM
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29. I don't advocate for his death but I don't shed any tears for him
Death does not absolve a lifetime of wicked acts. Just my opinion.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:16 PM
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31. no need to shed tears
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:33 PM
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116. LOL
I like how you put it.

But Falwell and Robertson are a special type of evil. They wish to destroy all foundations of this country to build a theocracy. When they die, neither shall be missed.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:20 PM
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34. .
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:20 PM
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35. Remember after Reagan died? n/t
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:21 PM
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36. Well, when one imparts negative energy into the universe,
to balance itself out the universe must impart negative energy back into that person. Basically, one reaps what one sows.

I won't say anything other than I hope that he gets what he deserves, whatever that may be (I won't speculate).
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OneMoreDemocrat Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:23 PM
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37. I wholeheartedly expected it, and won't the least bit........
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 06:25 PM by OneMoreDemocrat
surprised when it gets worse if he dies'

There's a new breed of 'Democrat' that posts on DU, and they're every bit as distasteful and ugly as any Freeper.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:28 PM
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40. new breed of democrat?
I hear every day on DU--we must not surrender our principles--fine, I agree with that--We must fight the Republicans every step of the way and anybody who is aiding them. I strongly endored the candidacy of Howard Dean--but there is a time when, I think, it is best not to say anything. I'm not saying we should pray for his speedy recovery, but I don't think we have to be like the animals who cheered when Paul Wellstone died either. I know Paul Wellstone wouldn't be cheering the death of any person--and he was as great a fighter as any Democrat against the regime currently in power.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:36 PM
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47. I thought GD was out of control during the primaries but this
the past week is worse.

The mainstream media, the freepers and the republican bloggers are going to reap a bonanza of propaganda out of these posts.

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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:53 PM
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60. Then DU will never please you because - It's JUST a message board!
What? This is not a quorum, it's a diverse message board. If you want to join a group of people who all "hold" the same sentiments, you'll have to look elsewhere.

I don't like a number of harsh comments, but it's NOT my place to tell other people how to think or feel.

It's time to reign in some of your self-righteousness and/or not frequent here as much because AGAIN this (DU) is a message board not an ethics committee.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:31 PM
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42. yup thats me.
not a big fan of evil people. sorry. :P
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:34 PM
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44. who is?
Your perception is wrong if you think somebody who posts this appeal is a fan of the man. Either that or you didn't read what was said.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:22 PM
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110. Indeed they are. It was not always like this at DU

but welcome to the fight! :hi: Perhaps eventually the cooler heads will prevail.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:23 PM
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38. He wants all GLBT folk to die and burn in hell. One vs a ten million:
And why are we better? We're just as human. Even Bush is human.

Christianity is to love thy enemy and turn the cheek. Well, Bush - like the rest of us - isn't as Christian as we all want ourselves to believe of ourselves.

And I know people at work who OPENLY CHEERED upon Wellstone's death.

We're human. Nothing better. Nobody wants to try. The hate is so deep within each faction, who is going to take the first step - especially against a person who has made no sign of repentance or civilized discourse for those he vehemently hates.

I'll say this: The victim needs not be the first to feel sympathy against the perpetrator. If Falwell wanted civilized conversation, I would feel much more greivous, and even I felt a twinge when hearing of his condition. But he hates and has never shown any sign of growing up. None of us is obligated to give him a chance until he shows he's ready for change.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:30 PM
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41. thanks for sharing. this is only the umpteenth thread
posted by somebody telling everybody how they should deal with this. you deal with it as you wish and leave the rest of us THE HELL alone to deal with it and respond as we wish and who gives a fuck about what the freepers think?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:32 PM
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43. Well, if we can have a dozen threads wishing for Falwell's death
we can have a thread with another opinion. But Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:41 PM
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49. And thank you again for producing another unnecessary thread.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:48 PM
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57. and thank you
for responding to an unnecessary thread.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:35 PM
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46. THANK YOU!
I am so sick of being told by my "own" how I should think or feel or respond to something! They bitched and moaned when some of us disagreed with them on the Schivo issue saying they were not allowed to have an opinion. Now, they don't want us to have our say. I don't give a RAT'S ASS what the freepers think and I am getting to the point where I don't give a shit what people here think! Why are we all expected to always be above it? Must we always "turn the other cheek?" Because I am SICK of having TWO BRUISED cheeks!

Falwell can burn in Hell! The only thing I pray for is that he meet all those he helped hasten to the grave before him because of his hatred and lies! Fuck him!
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:35 PM
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45. Disagree. Why should we not be relieved--even gladdened-at the prospect...
... of something evil departing from the world?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:39 PM
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48. You said it....that's your opinion, and your opinion only....
...and quite frankly, I'm very tired of "turning the other cheek", or "taking the high road", or "being better than this".

It's time that we stood toe-to-toe with these fundie-fascists and fought fire with fire. The only thing those people understand is overwhelming force...and the harder we hit them the sooner we'll get this country turned around.

If you want to keep bending over and asking for more, that's your business.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:45 PM
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53. what does this have to do with bending over?
I'm a Howard Dean democrat. I'm a Paul Wellstone Democrat. They are fighters. What does advocating the hope that someone dies have to do with fighting the Republicans? If you excuse me, that logic makes absolutely no sense.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:43 PM
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50. I agree with you.
I believe it is wrong to be happy when someone is suffering. I am really surprised at some of the comments. Jerry Fallwell is still human, although very unpleasant.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:44 PM
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51. hate the sin, love the sinner? that's a nice christian thing to believe in
fortunately, i'm not a christian.

although, experience shows, one does reap what they sow.

if there is a god in heaven, he is sending falwell straight to hell.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:47 PM
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56. funny
but I Know many athiests who are as gentle and loving people as you could know who don't advocate the hope that somebody dies--even such a vile piece of crud as Falwell.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:11 PM
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68. now, now, i never said i was an atheist
but on DU two days ago i was called one who hates Christianity, by a christian who knew so little about the how the faith evolved and what it traditionally has involved, that when i pointed this out showed his true christian heart to me by insulting me several times.

one can sympathize with the common humanity of any person, but falwell's personality has been antithetical to the Christianity i was taught from childhood on. one need not accept jesus as messiah to perceive the value of his messages on how to lead a good and honest life.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:12 PM
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70. That is correct you didn't
and I apologize for making that assumption.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:56 PM
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62. Wow
Tell me, did you post on any of the several other threads which advocated Falwell's speedy death that they too are divisive? or do you consider them respectful of the membership of DU and positive discussion questions? And maybe you are hoping that Peggy Noonan will quote from them in her next column--as if anybody cares what Peggy Noonan writes.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:08 PM
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66. No, I didn't even read them ... like you should have done instead of this
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 07:09 PM by ElectroPrincess
thread.

The people who start the other "ill will" toward Jerry Falwell threads are not "my buds" either.

However, unlike you, they are not PREACHING their morals to others. They are spewing vile about Falwell and yes that's heartless. But guess what? You do not have to participate.

Suggestion: You will NOT be able to verbally *force* people to behave in the manner *you* want them to. It just won't happen.

All you have served here so far is LECTURE those of us who didn't participate in such "slam" threads to begin with. I am taken aback because it's none of your business how people choose to view a political figure.

Again, we are not a "coffee clutch" - this is a HUGE message board. Skip over the threads you find offensive and please stop lecturing us. I resent being TOLD how I must feel, think and post.

This place puts the D in both Democrat and Diverse.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:13 PM
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71. Love yer sig.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:25 PM
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73. thank - you ... she'll never be named a Saint but she was beautiful - IMO
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:38 PM
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75. Sigs like that are hard to live up to
but we can try, right?
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:27 PM
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78. No, Dorothy Day was her own beautiful soul, there will never be another
Not at all. I post her quote because she embodied charity. The thought of even coming close to being as humble and giving as her is beyond my comprehension.

Very few people are as beautiful and giving as Dorothy Day. In fact, if she would have not strayed as a young woman and had an abortion, I believe that the Catholic Church may have honored her as a Saint by now.

http://www.cjd.org/paper/occonnor.html

I honor her but go my own way ... emulate? Not at all.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:28 PM
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74. well, I'm glad you stopped by this one
to preach to me. :)
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:31 PM
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80. You're right and that comment was well deserved ...
I should NOT have interfered. I stand corrected.

Thanks for the education.

I will not again interrupt such festivals of IMO, haughtiness. ;)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:34 PM
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82. See we can be friends
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 08:35 PM by WI_DEM
:)

And, I have to admit it I like your sig too!
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:46 PM
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88. Excellent. I love happy endings :-)
Don't lose faith for I believe the significan majority of folks here at DU are not mean-spirited.

Best regards and thanks for a truly enlightening exchange.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:47 PM
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91. I do believe that too
Tbanks and take care.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:54 PM
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61. I agree, WI_DEM . . . people who wish others ill disgust me . . .
and I've seen enough of it today to be thoroughly disgusted . . . I really thought that most on DU were above that . . . apparently I was wrong . . .
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:57 PM
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:07 PM
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65. I love DU
why would I want to leave? (and believe me I've been here long enough and am not the trouble maker you must think I am from what you say in your post) I just gave an opinion which apparently differs from yours and all you can say is "get over ourselves"--Yes, the world is a cold harsh place and so is a message board, but if you and some people can get all out of shape because of this thread--well, I don't know what to say then.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:08 PM
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67. no . . . I'd rather complain ad nausea . . .
when I see people acting like right wing fundies, I will exercise my prerogative to point it out . . . thank you very much . . .
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:13 PM
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OETKB Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:00 PM
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64. A sympathetic soul
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 07:16 PM by OETKB
I remain emotionally non-commital on Rev. Falwell's ill health. To give him credit he has, by example, shown the wrongs in this society.

However any eulogies, if he died, probably would be a "by invitation only event." By the way, where is Mr. *'s good wishes for the recovery of his unflinching supporter?

The religious right must be feeling very bruised and hurt. Jessie Jackson, in a very personal way, comes to their aid while Mr. * makes an impotent attempt to support their cause by signing useless legislation. Then the unkindest cut, there is no sympathetic word for their number one ideologic talisman. There seems to be no honor among thieves or corporate politicians.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:11 PM
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69. It's not that I wish him death
Just in favor of him fianlly getting to Heaven


:evilgrin:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:09 PM
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77. It does us no damned good --
and that alone should encourage people to keep a lid on it. In fact, I thought DU rules prohibited advocating the death of public figures, but the rule must apply only to those under the protection of the Secret Service.
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ABaker Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:28 PM
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79. There better be a hell
The thought of him NOT being punished for what's he done makes me mad.

:grr:
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:33 PM
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81. I like to think I'm a Christian but I'm not really sure what
constitutes heaven and what constitutes hell or even for sure who or what the higher being is, but I think somebody like Falwell will have to answer to somebody or something for what he did on earth.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:36 PM
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83. I'll say the same thing I've said three times today
when presented with another of these hang wringing "oh heaven's what will the Freepers think" threads.

I hope he fucking suffers good and long before he dies.

It's not beneath me to take pleasure in that fuckwit's suffering.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:41 PM
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85. I don't see how people gets the "oh heaven's what will the
Freepers think?" from what I wrote. I said I thought we were better than the freepers. It's really not about that, but you are not the only one to see that for some reason.
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:38 PM
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84. I'd hope so
Truly.

Dude's a bunkshoot. Reminds me of Billy Sunday.


To a Contemporary Bunkshooter


YOU come along … tearing your shirt … yelling about Jesus.
Where do you get that stuff?
What do you know about Jesus?
Jesus had a way of talking soft and outside of a few bankers and higher-ups among the con men of Jerusalem everybody liked to have this Jesus around because he never made any fake passes and everything he said went and he helped the sick and gave the people hope.

You come along squirting words at us, shaking your fist and calling us all dam fools so fierce the froth slobbers over your lips… always blabbing we’re all going to hell straight off and you know all about it.

I’ve read Jesus’ words. I know what he said. You don’t throw any scare into me. I’ve got your number. I know how much you know about Jesus.
He never came near clean people or dirty people but they felt cleaner because he came along. It was your crowd of bankers and business men and lawyers hired the sluggers and murderers who put Jesus out of the running.

I say the same bunch backing you nailed the nails into the hands of this Jesus of Nazareth. He had lined up against him the same crooks and strong-arm men now lined up with you paying your way.

This Jesus was good to look at, smelled good, listened good. He threw out something fresh and beautiful from the skin of his body and the touch of his hands wherever he passed along.
You slimy bunkshooter, you put a smut on every human blossom in reach of your rotten breath belching about hell-fire and hiccupping about this Man who lived a clean life in Galilee.

When are you going to quit making the carpenters build emergency hospitals for women and girls driven crazy with wrecked nerves from your gibberish about Jesus—I put it to you again: Where do you get that stuff; what do you know about Jesus?

Go ahead and bust all the chairs you want to. Smash a whole wagon load of furniture at every performance. Turn sixty somersaults and stand on your nutty head. If it wasn’t for the way you scare the women and kids I’d feel sorry for you and pass the hat.

I like to watch a good four-flusher work, but not when he starts people puking and calling for the doctors.

I like a man that’s got nerve and can pull off a great original performance, but you—you’re only a bug-house peddler of second-hand gospel—you’re only shoving out a phoney imitation of the goods this Jesus wanted free as air and sunlight.

You tell people living in shanties Jesus is going to fix it up all right with them by giving them mansions in the skies after they’re dead and the worms have eaten ’em.

You tell $6 a week department store girls all they need is Jesus; you take a steel trust wop, dead without having lived, gray and shrunken at forty years of age, and you tell him to look at Jesus on the cross and he’ll be all right.

You tell poor people they don’t need any more money on pay day and even if it’s fierce to be out of a job, Jesus’ll fix that up all right, all right—all they gotta do is take Jesus the way you say.

I’m telling you Jesus wouldn’t stand for the stuff you’re handing out. Jesus played it different. The bankers and lawyers of Jerusalem got their sluggers and murderers to go after Jesus just because Jesus wouldn’t play their game. He didn’t sit in with the big thieves.

I don’t want a lot of gab from a bunkshooter in my religion.

I won’t take my religion from any man who never works except with his mouth and never cherishes any memory except the face of the woman on the American silver dollar.

I ask you to come through and show me where you’re pouring out the blood of your life.

I’ve been to this suburb of Jerusalem they call Golgotha, where they nailed Him, and I know if the story is straight it was real blood ran from His hands and the nail-holes, and it was real blood spurted in red drops where the spear of the Roman soldier rammed in between the ribs of this Jesus of Nazareth.

-Carl Sandburg
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:44 PM
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87. Ya know...
...I only logged onto DU a little over 30 minutes back. I didn't read the entire thread in LBN, but I did respond to someone in that thread.

My own personal belief is, that someone who preaches as much hate towards fellow human beings as what he has, doesn't deserve my compassion when he is as sick as what he is.

People who are calling for his death are blowing off steam that they have built up over so many years of having his shit thrown down their throats. They are entitled to their opinion just as you are to yours.

If you don't like what you are seeing, you can always ignore the threads or the posters you don't agree with.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #87
90. that is true of everybody
and you may be right that may be what people are doing. But that doesn't make my opinion any less valid than theres.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:10 PM
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101. No it doesn't...
...and I said that. But you are the one who started a thread to chastise them for blowing off steam about a hateful old bastard.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:46 PM
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89. The DEVIL will decide Falwell's fate
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:50 PM
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92. That's cynical
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:52 PM
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93. How's that?
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:58 PM
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94. I always thought the devil could make mischief
but that our own actions determined our fate. At least in THIS instance.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:00 PM
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95. I personally think Falwell sold his soul years ago
and the devil is deciding if it's time to collect!
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:04 PM
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98. Ah. Gotcha. Interesting.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:05 PM
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100. really??
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:13 PM
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105. It is interesting in that a judgement
has been rendered. I'm not so sure I am comfortable judging anyone.

Biased toward, yes. But judged, in this instance.... I would not presume. I don't know what motivates Falwell.

Ignorance is a tool of the devil. So I was taught.
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:18 PM
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107. Ignorance and want....


"This boy is Ignorance this girl is Want"

Beware of them both
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:13 PM
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106. Picture Falwell's head being pinched off and tossed to the demons
to play soccer...
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AWorkerBee Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:19 PM
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108. I feel it is better is imagine a world without
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 09:19 PM by AWorkerBee
his sort.

And leave it there.
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:03 PM
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96. If I understand Falwell correctly...
God wouldn't allow him to be ill if Jerry would have obeyed Him. I, for one, am not going to question God.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:03 PM
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97. Absolutely correct. I deplore his viewpoints on most issues, but wishing
for ANYONE's demise is not the way to go, unless we have a case where it's someone's OWN will and time.

You can't replace evil with more evil.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:04 PM
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99. Is there a line forming to Piss on his grave?
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:12 PM
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103. I agree, Yeah Jerry Falwell is a jerk in our eyes...
but let's not sink to his level, or anyone on freepervile's level. But I have a question, Is it bad to wish for someone to burn in hell when they get there?? because I said that over the weekend, and my brother in law told me that I'm no better then they are, But I disagree.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:13 PM
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104. poor Jerry, misunderstood and under appreciated, I hope he spends
eternity being sodomised with a drill
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:19 PM
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109. You are absolutely right and this is something that needs to be said and

said more often. It is never justified to wish harm to those with whom you disagree.

(The only exception is in wartime, in a declared war, if you are a combatant. Then you do wish harm to the enemy. But most of us here are opposed to most if not all wars, so this exception hardly need concern us at all.)

Wish for them to lose power, to lose influence, work against them, certainly, but don't wish your political opponents harm or death.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:26 PM
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111. I'm not advocating for his death. I want him to hurt for a long time.
And if he can end up in PVS for a few decades so much the better.
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:27 PM
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112. I won't advocate his death, but I won't celebrate his life either
The man has said and done so many hateful things that I am sublimely indifferent when it comes to his fate and am inclined to apologize to Lucifer for handing him over to his eternal reward. Even the Prince of Darkness deserves a better deal.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:53 AM
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115. nobody should celebrate a life full of hate
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:41 PM
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117. I do think it's wrong to be happy about Falwell's impending death.
But on the other hand, the Schiavo threads are bringing some stealth Freeps out of the closet, so maybe the Falwell threads can as well. Make 'em be their true selves, then tombstone 'em :evilgrin:
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:43 PM
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118. I don't advocate his death.
I just look forward to it.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:45 PM
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119. Hope you have your Nomex and Kevlar suits on
You're going to need both, even though you're correct.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 10:45 AM
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120. Advocating for the deaths of gays is definitely not beneath Falwell though
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 11:00 AM
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121. Fuck Falwell
The day that evil scumbag finally croaks is the day our world gets just a little bit nicer.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 11:04 AM
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122. I agree
Hollering and screaming for this filth to die is Freeper Mentality and I will not sink to their level. On the contrary, I want Falwell to live a nice long life. Going out on a heart attack is a little too peaceful for me. I want this man to suffer before the end so that he can get a taste of the hell he has unleashed on others before he enters his own hell.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 11:11 AM
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124. Please....sapre me the disingenious "we're better than that" drivel
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 11:13 AM by KzooDem
Since that pathetic waste of carbon, Falwell, is so fond of quoting Leviticus, I've got a passage to throw back into his fat, ugly face:

Leviticus 24:17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. (:18) And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast; (:18) And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; (:20) Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again; (:21) And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death.

While it's statistically impossible to offer any evidence, I'd bet money that more than a handful of scared, confused,young gay men and lesbians reared in fundamentalist environments have opted for suicide over life based on Falwell's (and all the others of his ilk) admonition of gays.

Furthermore, his rantings and ravings only serve to give tacit support to a more secular brand of discrimination against gays and lesbians, which has undoubtedly led to further suicides and hate crimes.

I think Leviticus makes it pretty clear what fate lies in store for Jerry Falwell. And so tell me, those of you who are of the "we're better than that" mentality, are you suggesting we should not take comfort and joy in the word of God?




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