Will somebody slip Shiavo a painless death pill already?

[Deja Q]

She deserves a painless death, not this prolonged agony.

And before you call me heartless, just remember: Peak oil is nigh. Ultimately we'll see as much as 6 BILLION people die. WITHOUT THE PAINLESS PILL. We've millions of Americans dying right now. Many others without insurance unable to get what they need to maintain a painless existence.

Sorry, we need to look outside the box. Not piss away time whining about one person who's in a state where she'd envy a vegetable if she could.

Concentrate on the living whose brains work who might just be able to make a difference; humankind has done so much good when it doesn't do evil. Or are we at a point beyond recriminations?

The M$M and everyone needs to STFU about their spurious morality. It's doing nobody any good. That much is damn obvious.

[slackmaster]

1. They're giving her morphine now

It will be over soon.

[Lone Pawn]

2. Well, we're certainly going to see 6 billion people die regardless of PO.

;)

[Deja Q]

5. Quality of life, my dear fellow, quality of life. How'd you rather go?

Slow and for a long period?

Or quickly?

Especially when you're consciously aware of what is to happen?

If it ends up being nuclear armageddon, you can get your ass to a big city and get turned into atomic flambe or hope that you can move so far away that the radiation won't affect you or the environment... :rofl: Hell, it's not even funny. There is NO such place.

[Lone Pawn]

16. I don't understand what that exactly means, especially with the nuke

reference. I was just saying that regardless of Peak Oil, Earth will see for certain at least 6.4 billion more deaths--is there anyone alive who, if peak oil is wrong, will not ever die?

I suppose I could make the point that life is a terminal disease, and as such, I'd rather go slowly and for a long period than kill myself off because it'll happen eventually.

And as for nuclear armageddon, it depends on who it happens with. Russia? No chance to survive make your time. China? Survival is possible.

[mondo joe]

3. Hypno, I don't know why you think it's so agonizing.

Seriously - there's lots of hospice documentation about it, and MANY DU members have posted their personal experiences with loved ones in this process. Every one of them has described it as a peaceful process.

But this is not about one person. This is about protecting one person and ALL persons from invasive government and religious extremists.

[hinachan]

24. "I don't know why you think it's so agonizing"??

Clue #1: They don't give morphine to people unless they're in a lot of pain.

As for the other patients you're referring to, they really were PVS patients. This woman's alleged PVS state is highly debatable. I, too, had a relative in a PVS, back in 1987. Let me tell you, she was a lot farther gone than Terri S. ever thought of being. She needed a respirator just to breathe, and she sure couldn't sit up in her hospital bed (not without toppling onto the floor).

When I first heard about this issue, I was of the "let her die" opinion, but then I started doing some research, and reached a very different conclusion. Seriously, open your mind for just a moment, go to http://www.terrisfight.net and look at the other point of view. Download the videos and watch them. Read the transcripts, the court documents. Stop judging these people simply by the company they keep, and letting your hatred for those people blind you to facts that you're missing.

[mondo joe]

27. Incorrect information. Allow me to correct you:

#1 Morphine is given as a precaution in some instances, this one included.

Additionally, some hispice workers have said the morphine is to quell the anxiety and fears of the family as much as it is the family.

#2 Even if you were right - and you're not - the morphine IS administered, so that knocks the pain argument out.

#3 Terri's PVS is well documented. EVERY qualified neurologist who has examined her reached the same conclusion.

Despite your vast experience with your cousin, if I ever need a medical diagnosis your opinions will not be considered, but a medical specialist's will.

#4 I am well aware of the sewer full of bogus claims on terrisfight. I suggest you find yourseld an UNBIASED source of information.

[Wonk]

4. This ranks right up there with your "I wish Uday and Qusay were still

alive" thread.

Shall we start a pool of how many RW blogs pick this one up as an example of why liberals are pro-death?

edit: re: "pill", she'd choke, btw.

[Deja Q]

8. I'm going to find that one myself...

Make sure I said it in the right frame of mind and/or to ensure nobody spun the comment out of context, which humans are wont to do.

I'm pro quality-of-life. Not "pro life inside a womb and then keep it alive in the worst ways imaginable just for the sake of it". That makes me infinitely more compassionate than any bozo who dares take my words out of context.

At the time, FWIW, I recall writing something about it. Probably about how the US paraded their carcases all around Iraq, which certainly did no good. Does my old post matter? Just as much as the millions of people who protested the Iraq war. In other words, it's pointless.

[AntiCoup2K4]

11. Easy & Queasy are still alive.

And that guy they staged the spider hole thing around wasn't their daddy.

The REAL Husseins are living very well in exile, you can bet on it.

Why? Because they know too many Bush Criminal Empire secrets. They were paid off very well to maintain their silence.

[BuyingThyme]

6. How dare you

bring up a legitimate issue/question in the middle of a circus.

[Name removed]

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[BuyingThyme]

18. Even here on DU,

people have a hard time understanding that the family's issue is a private and personal one. Just as it is not Tom DeLay's place to participate or judge, it is not ours.

Issues regarding the right to die (or the lack there of), on the other hand, are our issues.

[mondo joe]

21. Actually she is on public assistance.

But that aside, I think the majority of DU posters have not expressed a desire to decide whether she lives or dies, but a desire to respect the privacy of the decision.

For me this is a much bigger issue than social security or a lot of other things, because I think the right to privacy is so important.

[AntiCoup2K4]

7. You can't give her a pill

She would choke on it!

[Walt Starr]

9. She cannot feel pain so it doesn't matter much

:shrug:

[EVDebs]

10. Really, the media have made absolute asses of themselves with this

They even broke into reports on a new earthquake/tsunami in Indonesia in order to put on relatives of Terri say something. Hello, the possiblity of even more thousands being swept away and CNN cuts away to...24/7 coverage of this tradegy.

[Bluebear]

12. My mother-in-law says we should all have "a big black pill" option

if suffering becomes too great. :)

[Deja Q]

14. She's probably one of the few compassionate people on this sad planet.

Who likes suffering? But when there's no chance of recovery, it's either endure in a humiliating state or die with a shred of dignity. That's the choice. And a bunch of media and mythology crackpots want to skewer reality.

[Connie_Corleone]

15. It's against the law. n/t

[not systems]

19. Why?

:shrug:

[Connie_Corleone]

20. I don't know.

Good question.

[not systems]

17. damn straight.

One morphine shot would have saved a lot of BS.

That is what I want should it be needed.

[Deja Q]

23. Let's hope it's NEVER needed.

I just like to think of all possibilities; even the bad ones.

And if some people want to insult me or take me out of context, then they're not worth anyone's time. If people question my morality or ethics, let them. But if they choose to make baseless accusations, they're not worth the time. One of their followers might have enough brain cells and guts to ask me "why" I believe a certain way. And I will tell them. After all, it's common in human nature to spread rumors and avoid going to the source.

[not systems]

26. If I took you out of context I'm sorry...

but I do think it would be better to check out quickly
rather than slowly.

[Bucky]

22. It's not a pleasant death. People dying from morphine make these faces...

[slackmaster]

25. If they have both eyes open do they both look like red 'X's?

Seriously, people who OVERDOSE on narcotics become unconscious and stop breathing. They feel nothing. Doses given to dying people are controlled very carefully so as NOT to kill them with narcotic effects.