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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 05:59 PM
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Protests Outside Schiavo Hospice Chaotic- keeps families from the dying
<http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050326/ap... >


Protests Outside Schiavo Hospice Chaotic

Sat Mar 26, 7:57 AM ET


By JILL BARTON, Associated Press Writer

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - Jennifer Johnson, barefoot and in her pajamas, ran to her grandfather's bedside once a hospice worker said his death was moments away. She got there one minute too late. Johnson said the chaos outside the hospice where Terri Schiavo is dying kept her from saying goodbye.

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"It's a terrible, extra obstacle to put in front of a family. ... Everything is about Schiavo," Johnson said. "It's all about her and in my family's case, it cost us dearly."

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Family members visiting patients must pass through a police checkpoint to park, then show identification outside the door before another security screening inside. They also must walk by scores of signs decrying Schiavo's "crucifixion," "torture," and "starvation," plus navigate around hordes of media who have been camped outside.

"To have to maneuver through all of this and have a hostile environment outside when all they want is peace and quiet and to enjoy those few days they have left with a loved one is a horror," said Dr. Morton Getz, executive director of Douglas Gardens Hospice in Miami.

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"It's causing a lot of grief and questions in their own mind on whether they did the right thing," he said. "It's unconscionable to have a family member to be near the end stages of life and to get there, you have to walk through signs that say, 'Murderer.'"

<snip>

One woman in a wheelchair regularly moves up and down sidewalks in front of the hospice yelling in a megaphone, "We're disabled, not disposable!" and "Terri is a person, not a vegetable!"

Relatives of hospice residents say the clamor intended to rattle Michael Schiavo rattles their patience.

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"They've taken away hospice's greatest quality, that it is peaceful and serene and quiet and calming and it's not fair," Johnson said.













Ok, I probably put too much of the article above, but what to cut? It's all so upsetting. I held my grandmothers hand as she died. We made the decision that when she finally went, she was not to be recessitated. It was time. My family had privacy. I can not imagine going through this with a freak show outside the window.

I can not believe this has dragged on for 15 years. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that after 15 years, this woman is brain dead, her brain has deteriotated, her body is too weak to ever move on it's own and that the noise she makes is instinctual and not actual words.

Those who are so convinced they are for "family values" are standing in the way of famlies being together. They are causin pain to people who have done nothing to them. What is happening in this country when the media is parked outside doing a virtual countdown to Terri's death.

As a human being, it saddens me.

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:07 PM
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1. These people are not Christians. They are obsessive compulsive people
who need medication far more than they need prayer. Terri Schiavo is a convenient focus for their sickness. The rest of the year embryos fulfill what Terri cannot.

The Bush family KNOWS EXACTLY what they did by getting these very sick people to fixate on Terri Schiavo.

May they all get 4 flat tires and an endless attack of diarrhea (sorry folks, it's my mother's sicilian curse :evilgrin:
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:37 PM
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19. Unfortunately, they are typical Xtians.
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 06:43 PM by stopbush
Ref: check any reputable history book.

It's quite clear to me that the benign, happy, healthy Xtian next door fantasy of my childhood was just that, a fantasy. For all its prattle about accepting and loving others, you don't see a hell of a lot of it in the Xtian religion's history. In that, it matches most other religions.

It's time that we as a people stop giving religion a pass for the killing, the pedophilia, the racism. the sexism and the rest of it and start down a healthier road by admitting that religion is a source of many of the ills in the world (notice, I did not say "the "source"). That's to be expected when people are depending on a social and political structure that is millenia old to give them guidance in their daily existence and interactions with people. It's just plain nuts.

To too many, faith = fact free. Time to face the facts, starting with the biggest fact out there, the 700-lb gorilla standing right in the middle of the Xtian's church: the man Jesus was a re-do of the saviours of previous religions (see: Mithras) and never existed. Hell, even St Paul preached a never-corporeally incarnate Christ (a fact conveniently left un-taught in non-Paulist sects)!

It's time to throw off the shackles of religion, to take account and accountability of one's self and move forward into a better world.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:42 PM
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21. They are not typical by any stretch of the imagination
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 06:44 PM by cynatnite
History books aside when you talk with most people, christians even, not all are like this. I consider these people protesting extremists and could care less about the other residents of this facility, their families and the people that work three. They don't even care about Terri Schiavo.

You don't have to like christianity, but to paint them all with the same brough stroke is insulting to those who are christians and are just as outraged as the rest of us about what is happening.

Not all christians are the same and shouldn't be considered the same as those freaks at the hospice.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:53 PM
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26. I wish I could agree, but I've spent a lot of my adult life as a singer,
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 06:58 PM by stopbush
and I've been in the church services of just about every sect around. This weekend, I'm singing with the First Xtians. Sorry to report, but the basic philosophy being put out even in this milquetoast denomination is anti-Semitic, anti-woman, anti-individual, smugly self-serving and - ultimately - poisonous. In the past month I've heard how "god is keeping a book...and we're all going to be judged," placed as an intro to taking the offering, no less. I've heard the story of Jesus and the Pharisees used in a sermon with very much an anti-Semitic undercurrent to it. I don't even know if the minister was conscious of it. I think it just comes with the territory.

It doesn't have to be radical or outrageous to be racist, you know. Sure, the Xtians displaying their hatred in Florida are extremists, but they are to a large extent a product of *the* religion that so dominates their lives, just as we are all products of our own environments and relationships.

Are you telling me that their religion has nothing at all to do with their actions? Right. Like the Crusades had nothing to do with the way Xtianity was practiced in the Middle Ages. If so, please see my previous post on giving religion a free ride.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 07:27 PM
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32. I said history aside
I know a lot of christians. Hell, I'm in rw country where on every block there's a church. Just down the road is two churches and a church camp. I grew up southern baptist.

With the many denominations of christianity there are today, painting all of them with one broad stroke strikes me as almost bigoted.

There are christians who spend all their time with the homeless, the sick, and others which are cast aside by society. Would you still paint them as the same by your definitions?

They don't seek fame, fortune or recognition for their tireless work. Their love for god comes through in their work...not their words, their signs or anything so outrageous. They are not sanctimonious to the point of disregard for those that are different than them.

Another thing to keep in mind is that many christians have evolved their beliefs as knowledge has increased. Their religion and science work hand in hand together. The bible teaches how slaves and women are to be treated and this has evolved through hundreds of years. There are christians whose other beliefs such as homosexuality, rapture and others that evolved as well.

The way I've always seen it...with all religions...is that it's not the religion itself...it's the people. The diversity of people is where you will find the diversity that is present in all religions and the denominations within them.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:10 PM
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34. Jimmy Carter is a Christian.
Just saying.

(I am not, BTW.)
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:20 PM
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36. Jimmy Carter is the RAREST of Christians
...one who is not a hypocrite.

I remember when he publicly admitted (and asked forgiveness for) his personal "failings;" the Reight Wing Uber-"Christian" "Moral" "Majority" went after him like lions attacking...well, Christians.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:30 PM
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38. True.
And I struggle mightily against my own anti-religionist prejudices. But I actually do struggle against them. I know so many Christians who really do practice their religion decently--and many of other religions too--that I wish I didn't have an immediate negative response the minute I hear someone is a Christian. I always have to smack myself down and force myself to give them a chance.

Of course, I have also noticed that the ones who practice their religion decently also tend not to wave it under my nose.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:38 PM
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41. I agree
I'm a Christian and don't think I'm like that at all. These people are a pick and choose Christian and hypocrites who are brainwashed. All they do is follow their little leaders whether it be Pat Robertson or Randall Terry. If they really followed Christ they'd see what they were doing is wrong.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:36 PM
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40. You got it
They knew what they were doing. At first I wasn't so sure if it was a Karl Rove thing but now I'm sure he was behind it. Hence Bush "rushing" back to D.C. to sign the bill and all that crap and divert us from other issues such as SS and gas prices.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:09 PM
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2. This is just shameful...
I don't think I could handle that if I were at a loved one's side. I feel sorry for all the people who have to deal with this...

I wish this would just be OVER, you know? These people don't give a shit about anyone but themselves...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:41 PM
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42. Since people are so diverted on this
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 08:41 PM by FreedomAngel82
they'll drag it out as long as they can. It helps them more then anything. That's why I think in 2006 we have to play our cards right to win any seats in Congress and Senate. There are so many issues out there we can use to help us if we do it right.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:10 PM
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3. What was that man doing in Terri's Hospice anyway?
Couldn't he at least have had the decency to die somewhere else?
At least he died before Turner had someone with a truck bomb blow it up. The rest of his family could have been taken out as well.
These people are nuts. Nuts, nuts, nuts.
To the lady in the wheel chair.........enough already. Nobody wants to kill you, except perhaps someone of your won ilk, just to make a point.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:11 PM
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4. Thsi is totally unacceptable to me!
The Schindlers's ought to pay for all 60 of the other hospice patients to be moved elsewhere so their "media circus" doesn't intrude on one of the most intense grieving processes of these families lives!

Is there a freaking judge with ANY compassion for the other people the Schindler's have drug into this mess? Fine them! Please!

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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:15 PM
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5. The wheelchair lade (since her name wasn't given) makes no sense.
What has her wheelchair and Terri have in common? Terri isn't wheelchair bound, she's brain dead. If her only ailment was to be in a wheelchair, this whole situation woulnd't be focused around her.

Once again, the selfishness of people making this about themselves is insane. ANd indicitative of what is going wrong with AMerica.
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 02:31 PM
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48. They aren't called extremists for nothing.
My wingnut brother said they'd be killing the lame next. They take an idea, take it to the extreme and then move on to another extreme idea(his was no use to save starving kids in Africa if we were for starving Terri) if you challenge them. My mother would have said they lack common sense but its much deeper than that.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:15 PM
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6. Damn those people.
Those vile, disgusting people. You are all despicable and I can only hope karma bites you right where and when it hurts the most.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:18 PM
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7. This is criminal. n/t
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:20 PM
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8. Those Who Can Stomach The Sites
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 06:48 PM by Bark Bark Bark
...should post the above article--if possible--at/to FreeRepublic, NotDeadYet.org*, Randall Terry's sites, Pat Buchanan's e-mail**, and to everyone involved...on the other side.

We can't make them feel shame, of course, but maybe we can get them to stop.

Not a big lawsuit fan, normally, but...I hope everyone with someone IN that hospice, and the hospice itself, proceeds to sue the living hell out of Randall Terry and the Bush Administration and everyone in between. (I wish judges could sue people...)

*I've criticized NotDeadYet over their wild mischaracterization of "Million Dollar Baby," but at least I thought I could understand WHY they felt the way they did then. Now they're describing Terri Schiavo as "handicapped" and "disabled," and saying Michael and the Liberals want her to die because she can't feed herself. That's all complete horseshit, and they need to be called on it. They shouldn't be able to hide behind their professed good intentions any more than Barry Bonds can hide behind his own son at press conferences.

**Pat Buchanan compared the doctors at the hospice to Nazis murdering Jews. Congratulations, Pat, you beat all the talking heads I've seen on TV comparing Michael Schiavo to Scott Peterson (God!) for the award of Biggest Obnoxious Asshole Commentator of the Issue.

EDIT: SORRY! Should've been NotDeadYet.org, not .com. Corrected above now.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:31 PM
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13. Not Dead Yet
When I opened this site, the screen was black with green writing that said "nothing to see here."

What does that mean?

I really don't know how much I can stomache. Can someone else with more tolerance do it?
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:47 PM
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24. My bad--should be NotDeadYet.org, not .com (n/t)
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:23 PM
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9. Truly unconscionable...
why hasn't someone ordered that the frenzied media/protesters be pushed BACK, FAR BACK, so as to not interfere with visitors to and employees of the hospice? It makes no sense.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:31 PM
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14. Exactly--at least as far back as anti-war protestors are pushed.
It's disgraceful that the city of Pinellas won't force them at least to the sidewalk, if not further. Even "roght to bology" protestors are forced to the sidewalks, not allowed on the sites themselves.

On the site? Unconscionable.

The mayor should be terribly ashamed.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:24 PM
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10. It's time to enforce the laws and enforce them now
You CANNOT protest outside of a healthcare facility.
Arrest these people who are breaking the law--move them back a couple of miles or whatever you need to do--but get them out of there. They are disrupting the natural order of life.
I worked at what was then Midland Memorial Hospital when Baby Jessica was brought in.
They instituted what they call "Plan David". The administrator didn't have his name badge and guess what? He didn't get in.
It locks down the entire hospital--all entrances and the police enforced it. They establish a perimeter around the hospital and it is guarded to protect the safety of ALL patients, not just one.
Had to laugh when the policd told Dan Rather to move his satellite truck or be arrested.
This isn't the first time a high profile case has necessitated this.
Why are they acting like it is? They want violence to erupt.
And that is what is so horrible.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:31 PM
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12. Its time to arrest
harassing fundamentalists IMO. Peaceful protests of bush's policies aren't allowed. This harassment is? The world is upside down right now. This is a bait for some democratic politician that opposes bush. Its good no one is biting. Its bad law enforcement won't do their job.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:47 PM
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43. I'm glad nobody is biting
I wonder how they're feeling though. :shrug: I wish their mayor would do SOMETHING. Where is he/she?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:34 PM
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16. Agreed, and give everyone who has reason to be there (family members,
friends of the patients, as well as employees) a temporary pass. It's unconscionable that family members must be searched prior to entering the facility.

The mayor should never have let it get to this.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:24 PM
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11. Unimaginably sad.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:33 PM
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15. I just had to go to freeperville for the attitudes...proceed with caution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371470/posts


"Well, it's all about Terri Shiavo, so get used to it. Who cares if some people missed the last few minutes of a loved one's life? I mean, hello? How does that effect Terri? It doesn't, so it's not important..."

"Well, if you don't want scenes like this around your hospice, maybe you shouldn't allow your hospice to be used as a prison and killing ground. Maybe you shouldn't fire your nurses for talking to a patient. Maybe you shouldn't violate your Hypocratic Oath by allowing patients under your charge to be maltreated.

You made good money by allowing your hospice to be used as a prison camp. So shut up."

"Gee, perhaps families should move their loved ones out of the hospice. There are others out there, there's the option of home nursing.

If there is something happening at a place that people object to, it is their duty to remove their business from that place. They don't, then they have to deal with their own problems and stop complaining."

"Anyone who has their loved ones in this Felos-Greer-Euthanasia Hospice doesn't give a rat's patootie for them anyway."



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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:36 PM
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17. Disgusting. May it never happen to them or one of their loved ones.
I may dislike them intensely, but I wouldn't wish for that emotional trauma on my very worst enemy.
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Big Lebowski Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:38 PM
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20. Wow
There are some of the fine members of the "culture of life"
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:47 PM
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23. "Hypocratic oath"?? There's a genuine Freak-Freudian slip...
:eyes: :grr:
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:50 PM
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25. Mmmm, compassionate conservatism.
Like a breath of fresh horsecrap. You can just feel the warmth. They must believe that nothing in the world could be simpler than making arrangements for the actual sick and dying there (who are not, actually, prisoners in a prison camp, because no one would pay for that in quite the way they would for say, decent, benevolent, attentive care...right?) to be relocated so that the passion of the pissed could go on to its last, bewilderingly desperate gasp.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 07:17 PM
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30. I won't hold my breath for any of their comments...
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 07:19 PM by TWriterD
to appear in Noonan's next screed. "Hypocratic" Oath?! Cruel and stupid -- what a dangerous combo.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:19 PM
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35. Send them to her.
I won't. I can't make myself email Noonan. But someone with a stronger stomach should.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:53 PM
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46. Ugh - I just did, but I feel like I've sullied my poor computer. (n/t)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:49 PM
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44. Oh God
Hey fucker it's ILLEGAL to protest at a hospital! Dear REAGAN made it illegal in 1989!!! And it's UNCHRISTLIKE to keep families from seeing each other. Freaks.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:57 PM
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47. I think the first one is satirical.
Or at least I hope it is.
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Big Lebowski Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:36 PM
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18. Absolutely sick
It's heartbreaking to think that the other hospice patients and their families have to deal with this. Unbelievable.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:45 PM
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22. Would I Love To See A Lawsuit Or 10 Coming Here
Not only against the Schindler's hack lawyer who has made a travesty of the judicial system, or Randall Terry...the hypocritical adultering Elmer Gantry, but at the corporate media for their non-stop, unrebutted slander and lies they continue to pump out in their zeal for ratings and profits.

This media circus has all but made that Hospice inoperative as the hordes outside surely are impeding with the facility's operation. If you haven't seen a media tent city or the circus that goes around it, it's sickening to watch. The people there don't care about Terri Schiavo or anyone else inside that facility, they're there for the TV cameras and their 15 minutes of fame. The more outrageous get on the tube and the corporate media encourages it. Shameless and shameful.

I would almost imagine anyone who had legitimate business in that facility must endure tons of abuse by these goons...people who are just going to their difficult jobs, families with no stake in this soap opera and the delivery people and others who need to supply this facility with the special prodcuts they require. Unfortunately, corporate media dares not show these people, since they don't walk around with a crown of thorns on their head or send their children to be props in a pre-arranged "arrest".

Shameless, shameful, and I'm hoping millions of others are as revolted.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 07:03 PM
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27. I can assure you to 99.9999%'s accuracy that should such a lawsuit be
filed, the RW nuts would frame their defense as "freedom of religion." And, you know what? If that's their defense, I'd have to agree with them. There's nothing in the Constitution that says that religious speech must be pretty or kind. Hell, Christ himself said he came to pit father against son. Looks like those in Florida took that lesson to heart.

On the other hand, there are laws against inciting a riot or yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre, not to mention blocking access to a health facility...
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 07:31 PM
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33. Defamation Of Michael Schiavo
The trashing this guy took should alarm anyone...and I really hope he goes after the goons who lied about his actions in this case, his "estranged marriage" (sorry, you can't be estranged if no divorce decree is granted) and all but calling for violence against him. Randall Terry calling him a "liar" is a good case right there.

While the venom spewed by many is protected by the first ammendement and I defend their right to speak, I draw a line when it goes from expression of one's feelings, emotions or faith as opposed to an orchestrated, deliberate slander attack to intimidate and incite. It'd be interesting for a libel lawyer to chime in as to where that line is drawn and the difference between public speech and private.

Also, the Schindler's hack Operation Rescue laywer, Gibbs, has violated several ethic standards already...and I would hope the Florida or American Bar Association investigate his abuse of the legal system...opening the door to suits against him and his organization for the false affadavits he's submitted that have prolonged this fiasco and cost taxpayers millions of dollars.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:51 PM
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45. If I was
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 08:51 PM by FreedomAngel82
Michael Schavio and/or the owner of the hospice is I'd sue every single person who started this crap and did this to people who are staying there. I would not let them get away with this.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 07:10 PM
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28. I'd wondered about the disruption
We had home hospice for my Mom who was in the final stages of Alzheimers. Thanks to the excellent care and counseling we received, she had a beautiful death, and for this my family will always be grateful.

I've wondered about the ramifications of the Schindler circus, and how different, and horrible, things would have been if we had wackos outside the window bellowing slogans at us, accusing us of "murder", and trying to invade our home in order to disrupt the process of my mother's death.

I've wondered about how the Wacko circus outside was going to impact the families of other residents of the hospice, and feared that it might be disruptive.

Reading this account, I am deeply saddened, and now enraged. As someone stated above, they are disrupting the fleeting final moments of so many other souls there, just to act out how righteous they are for the benefit of the cable news. What a disgrace.

Certainly, these people have a right to protest and perform civil disobedience, but I really must draw the line when they disrupt the peace of other residents and infringe on the rights of others.
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 07:17 PM
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29. Remember Elian Gonzales?
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 07:19 PM by Wilber_Stool
When the cameras left, everything stopped. It's *'s media that is whipping this into a frenzy. Chuck them out and they'll all go home. Piety is worthless if no one can see it.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 07:20 PM
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31. I just sent an e-mail to Jim Davis
hes wants to run for gov.in 06

as follows

with case at Hospice has a terrible effect on other patients who are in their last days of life.the relatives are enduring unwanted searchs.unruly crowds and the continuning drums guitars signing.ect.this has to stop!!!!!

also Monday the school starts again...last school day the walking and bikers had to meet up and be bused past these crowds......they are worse now...............out of 600 students 200 stayed home.

there has to be a law to get these protesters into a postest zone away from here.....let law enforcement do its job.this is totally uncalled for and we are sick of it!!!!!!!!
Thank-you for anything you can do.bring it up to the "media" cause they don't listen to us "little" people.
............................
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:29 PM
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37. Why haven't the police moved these protesters away from the
Hospice? I was speaking to my hubby about this the other day, wondering if they were close enough to disrupt the peace and disturb the other patient's families. I'd be enraged if it were my family member living his/her last moments with a damn circus taking place outside.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:34 PM
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39. It makes me sad and so upset
I can't stand it. They're disturbing the peace. Didn't Reagan make it illegal to protest outside a hospital in 1989? So why aren't all these people arrested?! They are breakin the law! Imagine the pain that you'd feel walking in to see a loved one and you can't say goodbye because of these bastards.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 02:39 PM
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49. Johnson's story is heartbreaking
that's a moment lost that she'll carry with her for the rest of her life, and a precious moment lost for her departed grandmother, too. :cry:

Those protesters are nothing more than self centered monsters. I wish the police would move them far away from the hospice.
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