Republican Moles and Trolls

[opihimoimoi]

If you were a Pub Op, what are the things you would do to the DEM cause/program/campaign? Suppose some rich Pub dude gave you big bucks to hire a staff, what are some of the ways you would carry out your "mission".

Jus curious to see if our side can think of some tatics they see here on the DU

Come, we plan big luau, fire walk even. then hang gliding and sky diving too. scuba w sharks is ole hat.

[mitchtv]

1. send in a lot of new posters, all "moderates"

to say this or that will"Damage us"

[jonnyblitz]

39. exactly..and bitch about fringe leftists n/t

[leftofthedial]

2. I'd gradually infiltrate online communities like DU and MoveOn

and I'd try to disrupt them with divisive "your candidate sucks" flame wars.

[Cocoa]

3. identify magic words

words and topics that always lead to flamefests, such as DLC, Nader, pink tutu, etc. Encourage the primary campaign to get as negative as possible.

I'm pretty sure they've identifed the most damaging division as being between Dean and Kerry. If I were a GOP mole, I would whip up as much enmity between those two camps as I could.

[opihimoimoi]

7. Yup, confirmed.

I starting to see this here more frequently as of late. Other tatics is to get posters so pissed off they break the rules. result, the good poster gets tossed and the disruptor stays/ dammn.

These guys are pros, so I suspect, they come in waves too, indicating a concentrated effort to hurt the DEm Party and places like DU. Some day they will find they got had, all that money has a smell to it, like those Iraqi Saddam supporters, it was good but now he is gone and no one respects you.

[blondeatlast]

61. I think they are too late . . .

We've managed that nicely!

[Divernan]

4. Hey! I scuba with sharks and it's the ultimate experience.

I used to say, Don't mess with me, I'm a lawyer. Now I say, Think you can intimidate me? I scuba dive with sharks. Judging from the reactions, sharks are a lot scarier than lawyers. And of course, the sharks leave me alone out of professional courtesy! But I didn't see any sharks in Hawaii, just lots of humongus turtles and some cute little octopi.

Seriously, I think Repubs spend a lot of money to pose as Dem supporters of the candidate(s) they're confident of beating and attack the front runners. We see it here, don't we? Why don't DUers push the positive aspects of their favorites without bad-mouthing the others? Certainly the members of this forum are intelligent and educated enough to determine the facts and judge on the issues, not the personalities.

[opihimoimoi]

11. A great white got one of our tourists on the foot lately. Lucky he living.

But sharks aside, the Pubs are so wealthy, they can afford to do these things. and they do.

Come, we scuba for lobsters and tako, mo ono.

[Lars39]

5. Topics that easily get us sidetracked:

The South(just the mere mention), abortion, religion(atheism vs christianity), the "looky what Rush, Hannity, Savage, fill in the blank, is saying about us", any thread taking us to FreeRepublic.
I'm sure there's more, but these are generally guaranteed to keep a good portion of DU busy developing mega threads that without fail usually get locked. I call these types of threads *busy work* threads,
because they tend to be like the busy work my 3rd grade teacher would assign to keep us occupied and out of her hair.

[Bruce McAuley]

6. HEY, YOU STUPID LIAR! Yes, I mean YOU!

Well, first I'd come up with some really inflammatory large-type headline to get their attention.
Then I'd exploit any easily defined divisions among those on the forum: Israeli/Palestinian, Christian/Jew, white/black, Green/Moderate, etc, etc.
I guess I'd have to be kind of careful not to get myself banned, because that would be counter-productive.
I apologize in advance to anyone who thought the subject line referred to them, but we ARE discussing tactics of moles and trolls here, and it IS effective.
:hi:

Bruce

[opihimoimoi]

9. Damn, I thought you were serious, LOL

come, we party :toast:

[blm]

8. Use the loose cannon in the race

to knock out the guy you know is building the case against you. The last thing BushInc wants is to face a Kerry with CIA, FBI, and military analysts feeding him inside info on all of Bush's missteps and misdeeds.

Just like they did with Jerry Brown when he attacked Clinton in 92 with Whitewater. .

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[tomp]

18. just an aside

why are the cia, fbi, and military so friendly with kerry? i don't trust them, why should i trust him?

[blm]

42. It's the "defecting ones"

the ones who don't want to cover up for Bush. Who should they go to? Who should THEY trust? So far, they are making the determination that they can trust Kerry to take down Bush.

Not many of you paid much attention to Tora Bora at the time, but, if people had paid attention to Kerry and also Gore back then, Bush would NEVER have been trusted by the American people to go into Iraq. Tora Bora was Bush's political Waterloo, and it will catch up to him.

[southernfried]

10. keep crusading for Kucinich and Sharpton

to divert momentum for others that might actually have a chance.

Oh and REALLY pull for Gephardt and Lieberman.

And make fun of Kerry's haircuts.

Let Dean take care of himself and keep really mum on Edwards.

They're all nice guys OK but at the end of the day there are only 2 or 3 who have much chance.

[opihimoimoi]

14. Yessireee, and it works too. But now, we expose this shit for what it is

distractive, devisive shit.

Come, we learn ways to counter, OPEN your eyes for one. Think for two, and learn for three.

[Classical_Liberal]

15. You don't think it is divisive to accuse people who campaign for dems

of being trolls and moles?

[opihimoimoi]

20. That is the mods job, not ours. In my two years here, I alerted them only

once because of a blatantly open attack on us Dems.

This thread does not point to anyone here but rather, speaks only in general terms.

Come, we go hiking in the Koolaus, eat Mountapples and Star Fruit.

[Classical_Liberal]

22. You are clearly suggesting that people who campaign for Kucinich

or Sharpton are trolls, therefore you are attacking dems.

[opihimoimoi]

29. I am what?? sorry, not suggesting anything but think

People who take the time and effort to read the DU and all it has to offer gets a defacto education of sorts. That is all.

Come, we go for ice cream

[Classical_Liberal]

32. If you are a liberal, the conservative dems will not be for you

If you are a conservative dem, you won't like the liberals. That is all this is. Trolls could take either position. You report them, you don't create paranoia about them.

[JohnKleeb]

44. Opi I didnt see what went on

But I tell you this I think Kucinich would make a fine president and better than Dean imo. I like Dean so Dean people please I like your guy but I like Kucinich for his humbleness and his ideas.

[southernfried]

21. easy kids, what was the original question posed ?

"what are some of the ways you would carry out your "mission"."

I want anyone who has an interest to pull for whoever motivates them. This helps everything for even if they don't get the nod, at least they might get some ideas into the conversation.

But to wit, the right would like to have the weakest opposition possible so IF you were looking for ways to make that happen, then you work really hard for those you think hurt you least.

It's a what if game here guys, nothing personal. Better thicken that skin if you want to muck around in political waters.

[opihimoimoi]

25. Thanks SF, words of wisdom there,

Sending Pinto Beans and Georgia Bacon, sugar cured.

Come, we go thimk

[bobthedrummer]

28. Your post is a classic example IMO

lol.

[haymaker]

30. Mmmm Hmmmmm...

I like the way you talk.

[Emperor_Norton_II]

12. Hm... Interesting question

What would I do?

Well, I'd probably post a nice, short message about how certain Dem forums - like DU, frex - are infested with paid GOP agents. The truth of this matter is irrelevant at best; the important thing is to nurture a sense of rampant paranoia within the ranks.

Next, I'd spend some time getting staff members undercover acting to "expose" paid agents/freepers by getting them banned when possible. Again, the truth is irrelevant, some may be freepers getting their jollies, others might simply be centrist/conservative Democrats. Either way, doesn't matter. What I want is to create an air where any position rightward of, say, Gephardt is looked at with scorn and dismissal, if not outright hostility.

And that's the crux of the matter; driving the Democratic activist base further left, and getting them to drag the party along for the ride. This will accomplish two things:

1) It will give the GOP a poll boost when they can point at the Dems and say "See? We were right about them all being evil socialist dirty hippies!"

2) It will create stress fractures in the party, leading to either (if a strong left-wing candidate is nominated) the centrists breaking/staying home and screwing the party over, or (if a strong centrist candidate is nominated) the hard left wing breaking/staying home and screwing the party over.

But then, that's just what I would do.

[opihimoimoi]

17. Not only interesting but informative,

Thank you for the time/effort. For most of us here, who "know" what the devils are doing, threads like this are irrevilent. But to the many new lurkers, unaware of the tatics Pubs use, this might be useful in openning the eyes.

This is the purpose of the thread

Come, we go luau, watch the show, eat, drink, smile, laugh

[Classical_Liberal]

19. You are creating the paranoia you claim to be against

by demonizing the liberals on the board.

[Emperor_Norton_II]

23. Oh, I'm not against paranoia

Under certain circumstances, I revel in it. For much of the late spring of 1999 I made it a point to wander past a Littleton, CO high school every day while wearing a black trenchcoat.

Nor am I demonizing anybody. The question was asked, and I answered it to the best of my ability. Ta.

[tomp]

24. no, no, you got that wrong.

you were supposed to post about what a republican mole would do, not a right wing dem, oops, same thing.

a right wing dem would also get wrong the point about driving the base to the left. the base is left. the leadership is right. right wing dem/rep moles try to move the base to the right.

i hope that clears things up.

[Name removed]

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[roughsatori]

13. lots of links to Freeper websites on progressive boards

I would come to DU and then post how outrageous a newsmax article was and then provide the link. Everytime a DUer clicked the link it would help raise the ad rate revenues for newsmax, etc.

And since there is no such thing as bad publicity for a celebrity, I would post things like: "Did you hear what the idiot Rush said today." I would do my best to keep the buzz up for Rush and O'rielly, and Hannity.

I think the Repukes should give the DUers who do what I am talking about a stipend to help them keep up the good work they do for the right.

[opihimoimoi]

27. Of late, there have been many links to the freep side. Your observation

has validity

Come, its time for a beer

[haymaker]

33. FYI

The DUers you speak of in your last sentence ARE the repukes.

[AmandaRuth]

31. so this may get me banned

but, seriously what I would do, is start a thread defending positions that are distasteful to most Americans, or make people quesy, than I would wait for the responses and post messages like "See the dems LOVE teenage nudist camps, sickos!" on unpolitical but popular bb's or forums. just my 2 cents.

[opihimoimoi]

34. Theres been a few of those man. The Pub Ops, they come to sully the DU no

end.

But the lurkers, many of which are staffers from the Dem Camp, they got the time to come and learn cutting edge stuffs they can use. What the Pubs wish to do, is to dilute our board with trivia and misinformation, etc. This means the Dem staffer looking for information must wade through the crap to find the "keepers". This takes time.

Someday, Skinner guys may wish to entertain a seperate place for the keepers to be placed there only after a polling/contest/review. This will cut the time for Dem Staffers to get cutting edge shit from the DU.

Come, its shave ice time, hot already

[JohnKleeb]

35. opi if I was a pug op

I'd grow sympatheic to the democratic cause.

[opihimoimoi]

46. Really. I would hope so, Here they see they themselves got had, used and

abused even. Oh well such is life, you never know what you gonna learn next.

but that would be another thread, another time.

Come, we find better ways to study for those exams.

[OKNancy]

36. Why would a Republican want to come to DU

and try to disrupt? We do a good enough job on our own.

Also, although I love DU and am addictied to it, I really don't think it amounts to a hill of beans in the big picture.

Now, Republicans can really do damage in the real life world at party meetings and precinct meetings and with nasty advertising. That's where the real damage is done.

It really ticks me off when people complain about honest differences of opinion, like it's some sort of dirty trick. It's only disruptive if you let it be so. IMO

[indigo32]

37. I have to agree with this

we need to loose the tinfoil hats sometimes.

[Iverson]

38. may be a real example

I would stay hidden and develop "stealth" candidates within the Democratic party. I think I know of an example of this on the west side of Michigan, but I cannot prove it, and making the specific accusation could mean legal trouble.

[opihimoimoi]

40. Tis a sad world we live in. WE could be doing great things, living much

better. But instead the greed of a few impacts on the rest of us, stifling our good fortune to be in America.

The CLAP are killing us and we let them. But, as we look to recent events and non events, the tide is slowly turning. People are starting to see, feel, the bad policies set forth by the Cheap Pubs.

Come, its time to look for opals at Cooper Pedy

[markus]

41. Push polling

How would news that <insert democratic candidate here> is a conviced child molester affect your vote in November?

Do you believe that child molesters can be "reformed"?

Do you believe that "reformed" child molesters should hold positions of authority? Can be role models for children?

Ah, the Atwater model. He really was the Lenin of the GOP.

[opihimoimoi]

43. The late Strom Thurmond and the living SENATOR BYRD are living proof that

people can be reformed and still be elected. and sometimes, re elected.

Child molestors isd another matter. I would think there would be no hope for any candidate carrying that baggage.

Come, its time to count our blessings we not born in 3rd world countries

[SweetZombieJesus]

45. Thurmond never reformed

He never once said he regretted his past positions, nor apologized for the fact that he built a profitable career off of racism and fostering a climate of racial violence.

I believe Byrd changed, but I don't believe for a second that Thurmond ever sincerely gave a shit about the pain and suffering he caused.

[opihimoimoi]

47. OOps, my bad; I had thought he did. After all, he was re elected 758676524

times.

Come, its time we find ways to expose the pubs for what they really are: CLAP, cheap labor asshole pubs and/or those who sucked for the line of compassionate conservatives

[tinanator]

48. I know what Id do to start a divisive discussion

Id post a thread wondering about "Republican Moles and Trolls"
tactics straight outta HUAC.

[TheUnionDemocrat]

49. This is SURE FIRE....

.....Get someone to post some kooky conspiracy concerning paid political operatives invading internet message boards.


Seriously...

DU is great. It's where I go to bounce opinions and learn. But, it's not that important in the grand scheme of things...Just like all internet forums (Ever been to a Star Trek forum? There are some freaking GENIUSES there...But still, a lot of what they do is complain about being ignored by the writers and producers of Star Trek). Political operatives couldn't care less about us.

[opihimoimoi]

50. Maybe they don't care and maybe they do

maybe its a tinfoil hat and maybe not.

But at least this got some exposure. that was the intent, to make people see the Pubs for what they reall are. taht is all.

Come, we go hunt grizzley bears, bring the sling shot

[Octafish]

51. Go with the Flow, Baby!

On DU: Act just like one of the crowd. Fit in by adding a "Yessir!" and "Good job" to the biggest carp in the pond.

Continue giving DU's most frequent posters your best smile and say what they want to hear. Then after you've gotten cleared with a sufficient number of points and are illumined by the Golden Star of Financial Devotion, do your utmost to sow dissension as subtly as possible. On occassion, do the contrarian post to create a cachet of originality.

Once established it is imperative to continue to support the crowd following the frequent posters, repeating falsehoods, misinformation, and disinformation along the way to confuse and divide Democrats. The key is to repeat libel until the point of making the association with the candidate or issue automatic — a permanent labeling.

After a short while, the pretender will have a track record of supporting the Cause and other posters will admire the insight provided. The pretender will espouse bad information and have succeeded in his or her penetration of DU. By the looks of things, there are a lot of them.

[tinanator]

52. Anybody

with a name like Octafish has got their act together!
Fast and bulbous, got me?

[Octafish]

56. Bulbous also tapered.

That's right.

Thanks for the kind words, tinanator! Thanks also for remembering Don Van Vliet, the being responsible for bringing us Ant Man Bee and Veteran's Day Poppy among other works of genius.

Me? I'm glad to remind good folks of days when all was believed possible. May they soon return.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:GZNUWl20d1wC:

[opihimoimoi]

53. Yup, have to agree, but there is no way to

solve the question, so don even try. Just be aware is all. No paranoia, no looking over the shoulder thing, none of that.

Good people who come here are courious, generous, and want to learn, share, and even bond with others of like persuasion. Look for these guys

[Octafish]

57. 10-4

You got that right, DU Friend opihimoimoi. Those who don't get it, really stand out — even if they adopt the clothing and body language as camouflage — to those with a kean eye.



Please note the neck sneer.

[blm]

54. Yes.....

Adopt the lingo of the community you wish to conquer....and don't forget...let's keep calling the candidates "Bushlite."

[opihimoimoi]

55. Describing candidates as Bushlite has very little effect on those who

are aware of such tatics. Especially if the people here are knowledgeable through this and other threads exposing the pubs tricks and distortions.

The meaness, the win at any cost thing, the lengths the Pubs go through to further their agenda is awesome. But we can and will overcome with the truth and the brighter picture we present.

Lemme put it this way; our Dems can sell a better "sell" than the Bush, he being full of it. America has awakened to the bullshit that is Bush.

[blm]

58. Yeah...I've always said Bush is going down...

and every day, I grow more certain. You were always certain, too. I like that. ;)))

[JNelson6563]

59. well let's see

trying to play the various camps against each other seems to be a favorite method. Also interesting is that tactic of claiming to be a supporter of one candidate and then subsequent behavior that says something else.

Whispering campaigns (see: John McCain) and erroneous but bold statements in front of groups of folks with hopes none of them knows enough to refute crap are tactics I see righties use in RL.

Julie

[opihimoimoi]

60. Another sign is the absense of good ideas and suggestions from the CLAP

Ops. They are devious destroyers not builders like the sincere Dems are. Blame and tear down is the tatic often used.

Sad

Someday we humans learn we could have it so good if only we take the time to learn HOW.

1. Never ever let those who like to fool rule. Learn to discern truth from bull shit. Pubs like to fool. Look at their record, dismal.

2. Get active, learn to vote with a passion. Learn to look for the candidate who best expresses what is best for Humanity and the future for our children. Express your thoughts to others. dare to discuss. learn from the truth and not distortions/deciet.

3. Demand a game plan for the Nation. We want PROACTIVE not reactive, that is the sign of the Pubs. They only get proactive if it means higher profits or what is in their best interests.

Damn, I talk too much, come, we kool off with a beer.