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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:01 AM
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Are there any liberal fundamentalists?
I have seen the word "fundie" used here, and it usually seems to be used as a synonym for a member of the religious right. But I wonder if there are any fundamentalists who are conservative when it comes to their own life, but don't want to impose it on anybody else.
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:02 AM
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1. Isn't that an oxymoron?
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:39 AM
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14. liberal bias
I want to say like a double negative. A person that was bias would defy the definition of the word liberal. It really ends up meaning nothing.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:02 AM
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2. some may think they are liberal...nt
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:03 AM
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3. There are otherwise left-leaning people who are fundamentalist
due to their religion.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:04 AM
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4. I don't know any that are "left-leaning"...maybe you can point one out.
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sambird90 Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:05 AM
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5. Personally,
I am a agnostic but have met very few right wing religious people that stay out of others business. I believe oxymoron would almost be appropriate.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:06 AM
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6. i dont know how you can be a fundamentalist and be left leaning
fundamentalists live out of the old testament, that pretty much eliminates any liberalism. i am thinking. i live in a world of fundamentalists. i know there was one other kerry sticker on a car at my boys school. but then i was the only other one and i am not a fundamentalist. and the way christians are behaving, i am hardly one of those right now. waiting for us to reclaim the religion
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:07 AM
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7. generally, and i mean this truly as a generalization
because i know there ARE liberal fundamentalists in teh world;

fundamentalists are also evangelists. they want to convert everyone they meet, because it's their OWN failure if they don't. honestly, some liberals do the same thing, as do some conservatives. i personally think it's a natural human tendency, to want to "correct" people or make them see the light when you think they're in darkness. some people are able to control it, and not proseletyze everyone they meet; but others are ENCOURAGED to do so.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:09 AM
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8. "not wanting to impose it on anyone else" is the key phrase.
I have known a family that was in that camp because they were part of the rattlesnake handling fundies and preferred not to draw attention to themselves.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:11 AM
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9. Not so much, no
Most liberal understandings of God and Christianity involve charitable works: Nurturant Parent theology.

Conservative understandings involve a system of reward and punishment: Strict Father theology.

Strict Father systems perpetuate themselves, and reinforce themselves. The system's goal is to maintain itself.
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:16 AM
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10. technically..I don't think a liberal can be a fundamentalist...
although I think that using 'liberal' and 'conservative'to define mindsets is kind of like saying 'liquid' when the image you're trying to send to the other person is 'water'. The words just cover to many possibilities.

Liberalism,as near as I can figure anyway, is the logical progression that stems from two root assumptions. One of those assumptions is that all men are created equal, as opposed to some divine thing where people are genetically predisposed by birthrite to lead, and the rest are little worker bees. The other assumption is that the universe errs towards the good.

If you believe that the universe and the nature of man errs towards the good, then it follows that virtue comes from within, and a good person is one who strives to follow the high road. Those that believe that the nature of man is inherently bad believe that virtue must come from outside of us, and the virtuous man is the guy who honors and obeys all the boundries imposed on him by his gods and his superiors and whoever else created boundries to protect us from our evil selves. It is that type of mindset that becomes fundamentalist I think. Liberalism can take gods or leave them, and even if it takes them there is a definite seperation. Strict conservatism demands strict gods and masters to exist.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:04 AM
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11. Yes -- I was shocked and certainly skeptical to meet such a person
First I would classify Seventh Day Adventists as fundamentalists Christians -- they believe in the old and new testaments and believe that Jesus is coming again -- thus the name of their church.

For several years I've had yearly discussions with a man who works with a friend of mine (she is a liberal -- exposed me to Randi Rhodes on a Miami radio station). This person is very political and he would pass as a liberal on DU. I was shocked to learn that he was a SDA.

SDAs do believe in the separation of church and state -- and they have no desire to turn the US into a theocracy. Big bible text for them -- Render unto Cesar what is Cesar's . . . (etc.) But they also are Creationists -- and women's status in the church is not good.

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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:27 AM
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12. Yes there most definitely are.
I don't know how many in comparison to the rwing fundies there are. But having had a romantic relationship with one I can definitely attest to their existence.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:31 AM
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13. my best friend's husband
he's a young guy, 30, and for the sake of context, grew up black and poor in chicago's cabrini green projects.

anyways, his wife is a helluva firebrand activist, the epitome of what it means to be a strong black woman, always getting out there to fight against things like poverty, racism, and republicans.

cal, her husband on the other hand, doesn't do any of that, doesn't really believe in trying to fight against those things. he believes that it's all god's plan and that those who suffer the most on this earth will be rewarded the most in the next. he hates bush more than anything and finds himself a hero in eugene debs.

but he's a fundamentalist.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:43 AM
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15. Do you mean liberal Christian fundamentalist?
Or are you asking if there's a liberal form of fundamentalism?
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