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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:29 PM
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FBI arrests North Carolina man who contracted for murder ...
over the internet. The potential victims of the assassination? Michael Shiavo and Judge Greer.

Breaking on CNN.

The religiously insane are backed into a corner and are fighting like cornered rats now.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:33 PM
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1. I do so hope that you're kidding or that this is a mistake.
But somehow I think not. Disgusting.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:34 PM
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2. Nope, Anderson Cooper reported it not two minutes ago. n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:34 PM
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4. desperate times
The next 48 hours will likely become ugly.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:36 PM
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10. Hello my friend! How are you doing?
:hi:

It is good to see you. I agree with you, things are going to get nasty. I just don't know what will become of all this. Do you think it wise that the dems lay low and just let the repukes implode?

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:48 PM
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20. Hi, Merh!
I think that by keeping a low profile, the democrats are helping to keep the right wing in the spotlight. I fully agree with that. I think that a number of the guests on MSNBC, for example, have destroyed the rabid rantings of the right. My mind is going blank, but Jeff F____, the attorney who represented Dr. K on the assisted suicide, is fantastic. He was on Fox this morning, and did a great job.

We have had republican politicians playing the extreme/christian right; we have the likes of Randall Terry inflaming the passions of the crowds; we have the courts ruling against them; and we have the holiday weekend beginning with a full moon on "Good Friday." This increases the chances of the unstable individuals and "herd-behavior" prone crowds dancing by the light of the moon.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:11 PM
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22. Randall Terry , is that the little guy with the megaphone that
was standing outside of jebbies home yelling at him to water terri like his gardner was watering his plants?

The Full Moon, that reminds me, I need to go look at the Astrology forum, I love to see what they make of all of this and the stars and the planets.

Yes, the dems need to stay low and let the repukes explode. :hi:

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:31 PM
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25. Hi Merh and Waterman
Full moon and all, it should make for a very interesting weekend. I do hope no one gets hurt over this and Terri will finally be able to rest in peace.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:39 PM
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27. Hi Shraby!
It's good to see you. :hi: I join you in hoping that no one gets hurt and that Terri gets to find peace.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:14 PM
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30. Hello!
It's a strange case. I can appreciate that people can see it very differently than I do. But I absolutely resent the Sean Hannity/Randall Terry-types, fanning the flames of hatred and fear, and seeming to advocate violence.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:41 PM
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34. Fieger.
Geoffrey Fieger.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:34 PM
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3. And her parents now claim that she asked them not to let her die last
Friday. I guess we can understand all the courts ruling against them now. These people are delusional and would not be competent enough to make medical decisions.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:35 PM
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8. "delusional" is right
And from that stance, they are far more prone to become agitated by the courts.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:38 PM
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12. And the first question the judge will ask is
"WHY DIDN'T YOU MENTION or argue this last week?" Dismissed, not newly discovered evidence and warning about sanctions and the penalties for perjury.

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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:40 PM
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14. Link to that story
They translated "AHHHH WAAAAA" into "I want to live". Delusional lunatics.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/25/schiavo/index.html
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:34 PM
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5. Geez.....
I love my home state, but lately there have been such a bunch of smucks coming from here in the news and it's making me crazy.

Will this insanity never end???

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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:35 PM
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6. These are sick people...kill someone that is alive and save
someone who by all accounts is dead...
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:35 PM
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7. Jeebus...
this shit gets more and more scary everyday.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:36 PM
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9. Will the FBI pay a visit to Hal Turner later today?
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 07:37 PM by Jack Rabbit
Any bets?

Please click here.

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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:37 PM
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11. Another hero for the insane.
When do I get a hero?
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:39 PM
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13. Read this, Hal Turner has been on the FBI's radar in the Lefkow murders
,Lefkow ias the judge in Chicago whose husband and mother were murdered.

Monday, March 07, 2005
Here's an outtake from the transcript of the Friday, March 4, edition of Dateline NBC, dealing with the reaction to the Lefkow murders on the far right, including people like Hal Turner, whose activities in this case are already cause for concern:

MURPHY: (Voiceover) There's no question that white supremacist Web sites and forums buzzed this week with the news of the Chicago murder. Bloggers like Hal Turner, writing his Web page form his house in New Jersey, put up a picture of Judge Lefkow with the caption, "Gotcha."

(Web pages; Hal Turner working at computer; Web page)

MURPHY: In the names of all things decent in civilization, where does that kind of sentiment come from?

Mr. HAL TURNER: Because it was factual.

MURPHY: You were happy that...

Mr. TURNER: No.

MURPHY: ...those people were murdered?

Mr. TURNER: No, not at all. "Gotcha" was more of a ribbing, a zing, a...

MURPHY: A ribbing? This..

Mr. TURNER: Yep. This judge chose to make rulings in--in a case against people that I know. It was almost as though she had gotten a comeuppance.

MURPHY: (Voiceover) Turner says he's been questioned by federal agent this is week about the murders of judge Lefkow's family. He denies any involvement. But Matt Hale vs. the judge has been regular fodder for Turner's rants, going back to 2002 when he had a shortwave radio show. He said then that while killing the judge might be illegal, it wouldn't be wrong.

(Turner; Lefkow home; Turner working at computer; photo of Turner wearing earphones; photo of Joan)

Mr. TURNER: I have rendered an opinion that what she did on the bench makes her worthy of being killed, yeah.

MURPHY: Do you still believe that?

Mr. TURNER: Yeah. Yep, that's my opinion.


Turner's sentiments, obviously, tell us all we need to know about these wretches. Even if the Lefkow killings turn out to be unrelated to the World Church of the Creator, people like Turner are clearly using the event to intimidate the judiciary. They're saying: "See? This is what happens when you don't rule in our favor." It's a form of terrorism.

If that isn't a crime, it ought to be.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:40 PM
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15. Another whacko

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com /



Good gawd, if the Terry Schiavo drama -- and especially the atrocious role played in it by Jeb Bush -- weren't enough of a three-ring circus already, it's now drawn the participation of the extremist right. We're escalating from travesty to potential tragedy.

Namely, my old friend Bo Gritz, has leapt into the fray with a chorus of approval from World Net Daily and The Free Republic:

Former Green Beret Commander Bo Gritz is trying to conduct a citizen's arrest of Terri Schiavo's husband and the judge who ordered the brain-damaged Florida woman's feeding tube removed so she can be legally starved.

The 66-year-old retired Army Lt. Colonel with his wife, Judy, arrived in Florida from their home in Nevada yesterday with the intent of arresting anyone involved in removing the life-sustaining tube.

Gritz came bearing a notarized "citizen's arrest warrant" addressed to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Attorney General Charlie Crist.

His intent is to "paper" state and federal law enforcement offices with his warrant today one day before Pinellas Circuit Court Judge George Greer's deadline to begin denial of food and water to Terri Schiavo.

Gritz says the "arrest" is designed to allow officials additional options as the Florida governor and legislature maneuver to save the woman from starvation.

Gritz says he successfully used the arrest-tool against federal law enforcement in August 1992 when he intervened in the so-called Ruby Ridge incident in Idaho and brought what was left of Randy Weaver's family down the hill without further bloodshed. Sammy, the 14-year-old Weaver boy, was killed along with his mother, Vicki, and U.S. Marshal William Degan. Randy Weaver and another man, Kevin Harris, were wounded by police gunfir
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:41 PM
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16. It is truly getting bizzare
Seems to me as though the RW fundies in our country are much more delusional than any of the Islamic fundies- if that's possible.
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Tribal150 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:02 PM
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21. It's interesting you should say that
I found this on Truthout today:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/032205D.shtml

"The Schiavo Case and the Islamization of the Republican Party"
By Juan Cole
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:42 PM
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17. Crooks and Liars on Hal Turner,
Turner's case is particularly instructive, because he not only is unusually -- even eagerly and proudly -- vile, he also has history of activity within the Republican Party. On top of that, he reportedly has (or had) a friendship with one of the conservative media's leading figures: Limbaugh Jr. himself, Sean Hannity.

What it illustrates is how the dynamic of the transmission belt works: the extremist side of the equation provides the mainstream right-wing agitators with a fresh supply of outrage and talking points, and the mainstream connections give the far right a legitimacy, a connection with the larger political discourse, they would not otherwise have.

During the 1990s, Turner made a habit of calling into Hannity's WABC radio program as "Hal from North Bergen," one of the show's regular callers. "Hal" liked to say increasingly outrageous things: in August 1998, according to the One People's Project profile ,
he remarked on Hannity's show that "if it weren't for the white man, blacks would still be swinging from the trees in Africa." Hannity not only failed to rebuke "Hal" for the remark, he continued plugging into Turner whenever he called.

Turner in fact had a history of quasi-racist activism, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which profiled Turner last year:

As early as 1994, he was defending racism, holding a rally for New York radio talk show host Bob Grant, who had been fired from his show for making racist comments about blacks. In the late 199s, Turner often called in to local radio shows as "Hal from North Bergen," telling their hosts things like, "The problem with police brutality is that cops don't use it enough."


All this culminated in 2000, when Turner stepped forward to run for the Republican nomination for Congress in his home district in New Jersey. He appeared on Hannity's Fox News program and received his old friend's endorsement. Turner himself has claimed that during this time, he and Hannity were "good friends." Hannity himself has since remained mum on the subject -- because as noxious as Turner may have been before 2000, afterward, his true stripes became unmistakable.

Turner lost that race, and it became something of a turning point for his ideological career. Where before his bigotry had been of the "edgy" variety, he soon openly embraced the ideology of various hate groups and white supremacists, as the SPLC explained:

In 2000, Turner sought the local Republican nomination for Congress, and was enraged when GOP leaders instead supported Theresa de Leon, a dark-skinned Hispanic who was the chief financial officer for New York's Legal Aid Society and the mother of 10 children. It was at this moment that Turner had a reported "epiphany," deciding the system was rigged against white men and abandoning all ties to the mainstream.

Not long after, he started up "The Hal Turner Show," renting time on shortwave radio maverick Allan Weiner's WBCQ, located in Monticello, Maine.

Building up a substantial audience and paying for the five-nights-a-week, two-hour show with advertising and donations, he became a favorite of many on the radical right, including several in the neo-Nazi National Alliance*. After neo-Nazi World Church of the Creator* leader Matt Hale was arrested in late 2002 for allegedly soliciting the murder of a federal judge, Turner openly supported Hale.

"I don't think killing a federal judge in these circumstances would be wrong," he said, referring to the judge's ruling against Hale's group in a copyright dispute over its name. "It may be illegal, but it wouldn't be wrong."
http://www.crooksandliars.com/categories/mikeSBlogRound...

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:38 PM
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26. The entire RW GOP is responsible for this merging of the
extremist, racist, white supremacist fringe into their mainstream politics. The most intelligent discussion of America's rising fascism is in a series of essays done by David Neiwert. It is available as a PDF here: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/The%20Rise%20Of%20Pseudo%2...
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:45 PM
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28. And lets hope we are smart
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 08:45 PM by caligirl
enough to remind America of this in 06 and 08.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:44 PM
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18. yes, I've been trying to find a link and post it on LBN
but I can't get one yet.

Fairview, NC. I lived in Fairview for two years, I'll never forget talking to my landlord for the first time because she was real nervous about renting to me and my boyfriend because the fundies always ran unmarried people out of her rentals for "cohabitation". But she finally decided to rent to us and we lived in that little cabin for two years.

This is so scary, and this is just the one that got caught.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:47 PM
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19. Link
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/3/25/75836.html

$250K for Michael and another $50K for the judge.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:50 PM
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29. yeah, they's a whole lot of $$$ out there in Fairview.
so I'm not surprised.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:16 PM
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23. the culture of life
strikes again!
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12345 Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:17 PM
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24. Must be one of those Billy Graham followers...
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:38 PM
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32. I wouldn't lay this on Billy Graham
however I'm not so sure about anyone who follows his son Franklin.

That's a different matter.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:36 PM
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31. This is just sick.
Maybe people will see how fucking crazy these people are now, eh?
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:39 PM
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33. This is how far they will go.
This is just the beginning. Does anyone else thing it will get worse?
Much worse?
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