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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:37 PM
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Michael Reagan diagnoses Terri, and blames Howard Dean for it all.
Michael, shame on you. Howard Dean has not made a diagnosis. You just made one. Howard Dean says legislators and others should not make diagnoses. He didn't, you did. Shut up, Michael.

http://www.sitnews.us/Reagan/032405_reagan.html

Making Sense
Killing Terri
by Michael Reagan

March 24, 2005
Thursday

"Democratic national chairman Howard Dean is on the stump trying to convince red state voters that his party has values. This leads me to ask if one of those values the Democrats supposedly champion is the death by starvation of Terri Schiavo. Is this the way they seek to prove they are the party that cares about people? "

In his final days, my dad Ronald Reagan, had no quality of life, could not feed himself or take care of himself, communicate in even the most rudimentary way, and lay bedridden and mute, a terrible burden on Nancy. Should I have told Nancy to stop feeding my dad so he could die and she could go on with her life?

And if I had, would not the nation have risen up in justifiable outrage and demanded that his life be preserved until God called him home?

Doesn't Terri Schiavo deserve the same concern, Dr. Dean?...."





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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:38 PM
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1. Wow
I thought their default assumption was that everything is Clinton's fault.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:39 PM
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2. That's some crazy family feuding
going on in the Reagan family.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:39 PM
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3. That begs the question
What did his dad want? If he wanted to die with dignity and no feeding tubes then that was his right. I guess Ron cannot conceive of anyone thinking that way.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:54 PM
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18. This is the idiot son Michael, not Ron.
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:12 PM
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28. surely J. D. you meant michael not Ron.
If not where the hell you coming from boy.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:39 PM
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4. Trying to drag the Dems into the fight
lol...

No reason to get into that argument, this is a bed the Republicans made and Republican judges ruled on the case.

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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:39 PM
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5. Oh, for crying out loud. We need to get all of these idiots in one place
so we can have a televised assclown smackdown!
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:40 PM
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6. He has never gotten over being the unwanted child and someone has to pay
n/t
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:41 PM
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7. Dear Michael Reagan:
A rational reply to your accusation is virtually impossible. Therefore, the best I can do is suggest that you go eat a large bowl of pig shit.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:41 PM
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8. Bangs head furiously against computer screen
(hey at least I don't watch CNN anymore)

How much more idiocy can I (we) take????
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:41 PM
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9. if Reagan had signed an advanced directive
requiring the disconnection of a feeding tube, the RW'ers would've been lionizing him for his selflesslness and bravery. ("Just like the Gipper to go out like a man")

Someone pull Michael's plug. Please.

onenote
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:42 PM
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10. "terrible burden on Nancy"
yes it was Nancy who was feeding, changing, diapering, and cleaning Ron every day. I'm not saying Nancy wasn't devastated by what was happening to her husband, but I keep hearing about Nancy the caregiver. Come-on!! Unlike thousands of real people who can't afford live in nurses I doubt Nancy Reagan beared the brunt of the caregiving.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:42 PM
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11. Michael Reagan has been in APVS for decades....
...APVS = Animated Persistent Vegetative State
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:43 PM
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12. Reagan could swallow. Schaivo can't. End of story.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:47 PM
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15. Plus Reagan wasn't in a persistent vegetative state
Alzheimer's is not the same as Schiavo's condition.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:43 PM
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13. Michael, if your Dad had told you he did not want intervention to
keep him alive, then yes you should have, and so should have Nancy. This issue about Terri isn't about should you terminate someone's life is they are incoherent, it's about the patient being treated as they wanted!

Get your facts straight!
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:44 PM
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14. Asshole misses the point that he COULDN'T have told Nancy to stop
feeding his dad BECAUSE SHE WAS THE LEGAL GUARDIAN as his wife.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:51 PM
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17. E-mail Michael Reagan at [email protected] I just emailed him
with your point (that he missed).
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:48 PM
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16. Poor Nancy had to take care of Ronnie all by herself.
I really have a difficult time visualizing Nancy breaking a sweat or getting her hands dirty helping anyone.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 06:05 PM
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19. "death by starvation of Terri Schiavo"
Starvation? Once again it's 24/7 Terrivision yet another "really" concerned person who doesn't even know what Terri is likely to die of.


"Should I have told Nancy to stop feeding my dad so he could die and she could go on with her life? And if I had, would not the nation have risen up in justifiable outrage and demanded that his life be preserved until God called him home?"


No.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 06:16 PM
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20. Michael, I like a lot of things about you, but you are wrong on
this. Like you, I lost my father to Alzheimer's. Your father's final days, like my father's, did not last for fifteen years. Your father, like mine, was not kept alive with a feeding tube after he lost the capability of eating. They died when their lives were over.

Terri's life ended years ago. Just as it would have been cruel and unjust to attach your father, and mine, to respirators and feeding tubes to keep their bodies alive for as long as possible, so it is unjust and cruel to further prolong the existence, which is not life, of the body that was Terri Schiavo.

An Alzheimer's patient is not a person in PVS. An Alzheimer's patient will collapse in on himself and eventually die as his organs fail. But Terri Schiavo was a young woman whose organs could remain functional for years -- all organs except that most important one, the brain. If her brain was whole, or even damaged but intact, there might be reason to hope. But with the cerebral cortex liquefied there is, in the words of Gertrude Stein, no there there. Her only remaining act is to pass on. She should be allowed to do so.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 06:23 PM
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21. You like freeper Michael Reagan? Are you confusing him with Ron?
Michael Reagan (extreme Freeper)


Ron Reagan (extreme Liberal)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:52 PM
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31. Let me rephrase that: Michael, I like a lot of things about your
brother Ron...

Continue on from there.

Just a half-heimer's moment, I guess.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 07:02 PM
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22. Oh, Michael, Judge Greer should not diagnose either. Get the facts.
SNIP..."Look at it this way ­ if you are going to be the judge, and at the same time act as the jury deciding if a person lives or dies, should you not at least go visit the person to determine for yourself her true condition? Over the seven years that Greer has been active in the Schiavo case he has never even once bothered to see the woman over whom he has the power of life and death...."

Michael, that is not the job of the judge.

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 07:04 PM
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23. OMG!!! Ok Mike, way to connect them dots!
Doh!!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:57 PM
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24. Thisis a totally clueless column on all levels.
They are really after Judge Greer. He had to leave his Southern Baptist church, and they have blasting him.

Michael shows his total ignorance of all the issues here.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:01 PM
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25. He is such an ass.
Hey Michael, ever stop think if your damn party supported stem cell research as your step-mother DOES .... your father might have benefited from it?
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:04 PM
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26. another idiot weighs in on this issue.
yawn.
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:06 PM
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27. Sucks being the ADOPTED Reagan kid, dunnit Michael? n/t
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:20 PM
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29. Michael is the stupidest of
any of the Rayguns even worse than his father. :silly:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:22 PM
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30. Fuck you and your Reagan blood! n/t
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:55 PM
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32. Didn't RON recently issue a statement
saying that his dad didn't eat at all at the end, and just lost interest in food?

Or am I smoking too much crack?????
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