Anyone purchasing firearms in the near future?

[solinvictus]

For the potential upcoming troubles? In this age of liberals, Democrats, progressives and anyone opposed to the fundie nutjobs in power being classed as "terrorists" and such, I think self-protection is a prudent measure.

[applegrove]

1. I will never own a firearm.

Are you with the firearm industry?

[solinvictus]

3. Nope..

Just seeing if anyone is taking all the threats of physical violence from the likes of Coulter and Freepertown seriously. Do you believe the funamentalist Right should have a monopoly on coercive force?

[Conservativesux]

7. Why not? They think they have the right to have a monopoly on Nukes.

Isnt that why we are bogged down in Iraq?

or did * lie to us?

[Conservativesux]

4. I used to say the same thing before BushAmerika came along.

[Not_So_Right_Wing]

73. Better safe than sorry.

I'd rather have one and not need it, than need one and not have it...

[Conservativesux]

2. Yes, I never though I would, but the time has come to arm ourselves..

I still cant believe I just wrote that

Sad, but true.

Never owned a gun myself before, but my pops did so I know how to use one.

[solinvictus]

6. I feel the same way..

I've always been a gun enthusiast and have believed they are an important deterrent to tyranny, but I believe the Right has seized too much power and may use it against us sooner than later.

[Fescue4u]

5. what a silly question

Of course...:)

I've always got my eye on something.

[cynatnite]

8. We own one

It was my dad's. A hunting rifle.

We're well experienced with firearms (thanks to the army)

I'm a huge supporter of gun control and given the extreme animosity toward us by freepers and others who egg them on, it is something to seriously consider. I'm not willing to lock me and my family in a cabin with a thousand guns either.

[solinvictus]

10. Army training..

At least if you were in the service before the early 1990's you received actual training. I've heard now that "training" is mostly equipment familiarity.

[cynatnite]

14. We were trained with M16s...

LAWs (Light Anti-Tank Weapon)
Grenades
M50's (50 Caliber weapon)
M203 (Grenade launcher)

This was just during basic training. I went to basic in 1986. I would hope with sending our troops into combat they would get more than just familiarity. Infantry guys would get more training after their basic.

I was a medic and the only weapon we never trained on, but is a standard issue for many of them is the 9mm.

[solinvictus]

16. Me too! Medic and basic in the 1980's!

I was a reserve medic. I did basic at Ft. Jackson in summer 1987 & AIT at Ft. Sam Hilton in 1988. My sidearm was a WW2 vintage .45 made by Ithaca Typewriter Company. We trained with live M203's, grenades, M-16's, M2 .50 calibers, and LAW-72. We also trained with claymore mines, explosives, and improvised grenade traps.

[cynatnite]

18. Medics unite! LOL

My basic was at Ft. Dix and AIT at Ft. Sam, too (a hell of a partying town, I might add) Ever heard of the Tropicana Hotel? We tore the hell out of the 6th floor one weekend.

I forgot about the claymores. We trained with those in basic, too. We didn't learn much about explosives and grenade traps.

I would have liked to train with a sidearm in the army, but my dad taught my sister and I how to shoot his kickass double barrel shotgun and the .45 he used to have.

He wasn't a big gun freak. He just believed everyone should know how to use a gun.

[loudsue]

47. Where can I get some of those??? I've got my guns!!

An AK-47 and a Smith & Wesson 22 handgun! (the 22 helps run off the turkey buzzards .... I don't shoot 'em...I just scare 'em. But, hey! They're citizens, too!)

The average person is going to NEED an arsenal before all of the fireworks stop, once they start!

I've never killed anything intentionally in my life (except a couple of flies who were bothering me, some mosquitos, some ants, and as many roaches as I could....and I actually felt really guilty each time, as you can see, since I still remember it all. And I'll NEVER get over having to kill that frog in Biology 101 lab!! He was INNOCENT!!! May he rest in peace O8) ).

However, I owe a huge debt, and great loyalty, to the warriors who bought me my freedom with their blood, limbs, minds and tears. My ancestors, your ancestors, and all of the awesome men and women who fought to make America free and great. (And the early labor unionists who helped Americans to exceed even our greatest expectations!)

And, on those grounds, I WILL stand against those who would spit on the America of our forefathers, and who would determine to destroy not just our Constitution, but the SPIRIT of that Constitution.

The last time I looked, they've taken one helluva lot of our rights away!!

So much for the "got milk?" campaign! Where's the "got RPG's?" campaign!

:kick::kick::kick:

[solinvictus]

49. "Got small arms ?"

Of course, with simple hand machine tools, a trip to a local hardware store, and patterns, some people could manufacture simple sub-machine guns and pistols. It was done by the Chinese while occupied by the Japanese in Manchuria. They hand-made copies of Mauser rifles and pistols.

[Stand and Fight]

64. Well, what you have heard is bullshit.

I know I got sick of arms training when I was in -- we went out and trained to shoot -- guns and artillery -- on a regular basis. I stressed the importance of marksmanship to my section. Told them that in war, "This weapon is your life," because when it's you and the enemy, the M16 is your last line of defense before you have to fight hand to hand. Stressed the importance of knowing hand-to-hand combat tactics as well and taught the kill zones...

[ArkDem]

95. I'd go with fewer guns and more ammunition.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Already have one.

I never expected to have to use it -- I got it only to have something to wave menacingly at burglars -- but everything is turning so weird these days...

[postulater]

11. Got em already

Mine are in the closet with trigger locks. I don't even have any ammunition, they are old hunting rifles and shotguns.

[JanMichael]

12. I married into a couple of them. Intend on buying more. Rice and Ammo.

That's my motto.

I should add that my wife had the current weapons, I'd like an SKS by years end:-)

[solinvictus]

27. Beans, bullets, and band-aids..

Most necessities fit into those three categories.

[lenidog]

42. Sounds like an old girlfriend of mine

She bought me for Valentine's Day one year a Type 99 Arisaka. She didn't know what to get me and we were just shoppin and walked into a gun store and they had one. Complete with the monopod, cleaning rod, and the anti-aircaft sights (Everything that is usually broken off or missing on them). The only flaw was that of course the Imperial Chrysanthmum had been taken off.

[solinvictus]

43. Arisaka 7.7

A buddy of mine had a WW2 souvenir with the chrysanthemum STILL ON THE RECEIVER! I asked him for dibs if he ever sold it, but it went to a pawn shop for next to nothing.

[lenidog]

44. Damn now that was as stupid move on his part

With the Chrysanthemum on it that that probably doubles the price or even more if you can find the right person. So few of those remain, it was the one time that the US military was totally efficient.

[Endangered Specie]

52. I thought the soldiers were supposed to destroy the chrysanthemum.

:shrug:
That is crazy to give it to a pawn shop! (though Im somewhat suprised that a pawn shop would even take such a gun) :shrug:

[hollowdweller]

76. I have a 7.7 I bought for $25 back in the 70's

but the flower is filed off.

[madeline_con]

46. Ha rice...

There was this lady we know who was convinced the 'end' was near. Some place in Georgia was hosting the Virgin in an apparition or something. She ran out and bought 2 100lb. bags of rice.

Anyway, she was telling my husband all about how we should prepare, that we might strave when the event went down.

He told her we had plenty of ammo, and would be coming over to get her rice.

She didn't think it was as funny as I did.

[skippythwndrdog]

13. I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident, except for a

.38 and a .22

[solinvictus]

15. Those are better than nothing..

Seriously, I'd rather have either of them than nothing. Many people underestimate the ubiquitous .22 long rifle. A cop friend of mine said that many DOA's he investigated were due to a .22.

[lenidog]

25. Of course because they are the cheapest

gun going. Most ER doctors will tell you that fixing up someone shot with a 9mm is a hell of a lot easier that one shot with a .22. The .22 has a tendency to fragment and bounce of of bone and bounce around making it harder to patch someone up.

[seabeyond]

17. my husband has lots, i have none

he knows how to use them, i do not

[Kingshakabobo]

19. I'm not crazy about guns...........

but lately the thought of a couple AR-15s and a couple thousand rounds of ammo crosses my mind due to the current political climate and being gay.

[solinvictus]

20. Yep...

Or a more economical model: a couple of AK-47 semiautomatic clones, about 10-15 magazines for each, a couple of thousand cartridges, and a couple of spare parts sets for springs, firing pins, and such. A Romanian clone runs about $350 or so, ammo is about $110/1,000 rounds, and magazines are as cheap as $5 each. An SKS would be a good option as well considering a new condition Yugoslav can be had for about $200.

[JanMichael]

22. See post #12.

I agree with the SKS recommendation.

[solinvictus]

23. Economical and built like a tank...

My Yugo is so damned stout I hesitate to call it a "carbine" as it feels more like a Garand or FN-49. What Commie brand name is your SKS? Mine's a Tito special made about 1965-66.

[JanMichael]

26. Haven't bought one yet.

With any luck I'll have permission from the Committee Chair (Stephanie) to get one this Fall.

Hopefully the 5 year plan will result in enough resources to accomodate my request.

If not I may see Darkness at Noon courtasy of a .38 behind the nightstand...

[lenidog]

33. You will see a world of difference

when you get one and shoot it. They weigh a ton compared to the later Russian ones and the assorted knockoffs but the shoot a million times better.

[lenidog]

30. You think the Yugos

are rather hefty you should try and find one of the early Russian SKSs, the receivers are made out of milled steel and not the cheap crap like you find with the Chinese ones.

[solinvictus]

31. Yugo..

The receivers are milled from a single piece of steel. They really don't fit the moniker of "carbine" as they are as long as a regular battle rifle. I love mine as I only paid $175 tax and all for it.

[hollowdweller]

71. I have a Russian

Chrome barrel so you can shoot the cheap corrosive ammo. Shoots really tight groups.

[sendero]

82. I got a Yugo SKS..

... a few months ago. I'm still getting all the damn cosmoline out of it, but it fires pretty reliably now, and is pretty accurate.

For an economical all-round rifle, it would be hard to beat this gun. You can get them for as little as $150 if you are resourceful.

The bayonet and grenade launcher is included, but I don't think many of us will needing those :)

[hollowdweller]

88. That funky grenade launcher thingie

Is the main reason I haven't got one of those. I heard the Yugo's were real good but I think the launcher makes it look strange.

[derby378]

24. That AK-47 option sounds good

Hard to argue with a design that's been used consistently since the mid 40's all around the world.

[Mr_Spock]

21. Yeah - it's the only prudent thing to do with this neocon cabal in power

I'm not gonna get caught completely off guard.

[lenidog]

28. I actually bought two today

not because of future troubles but because I was at a gun and militaria show. The guns I bought were something I was looking for for a long time and the condition and price was right. It also actually helped that I had the money. I ended up buying a Swiss Model 1931 straight pull bolt action rifle and a Polish Radom P-35 pistol made during the early part of the German occupation

[solinvictus]

29. Schmidt Rubin and a Radom??

Whoa! Those are two classics. I only wish the S/R could be re-fitted to .308 or a more common round than the 7.5 Swiss. Radoms are great pistols. Does it have the Waffenampts or Polish markings?

[lenidog]

32. That is what I collect

practically every firearm I have with two exceptions and one half exception (its a repro) are pre-1950. With Schmidt I lucked out, I have a friend who loves to reload and is a master at it so I buy the dies and brass and he goes to work. So ammo is no problem. The Radom is in excellent condition and has Waffennampt stamps on it. Its also early occupation which means the finish is good and it has everything its meant to have on it.

[solinvictus]

34. I love C&R's..

My favorites now are Yugo's, especially all the Mauser 98 variants on the market. I also love Mosin Nagants. I've been unemployed for a stretch, so gun $$ has been thin. Hopefully, that'll change soon.

[lenidog]

35. I know exactly what you mean

>>>I've been unemployed for a stretch, so gun $$ has been thin<<<

I wasn't unemployed for that long but I for a while had to work at a job that paid me only 2/3rds of what I was making before I got laid off. So disposable cash was pretty much non-existent. These are actually the first ones I have bought in two and a half years. Me I rather flexible I go for service rifles and pistols from 1950 or earlier. Though if I actually had a focus it would be Webley Scott pistols.

[solinvictus]

36. Cheap and serviceable..

Like a Mosin Nagant: $70-100 for a rifle in prime condition with accessories, $40 for a can of surplus ammo, $100 for a case of new ammo, and you are essentially set since spares are so cheap as well. You can completely equip yourself with a Mosin for about $225 or so.

[lenidog]

37. Damm straight

Moisins are great rifles that can take a beating and like you pointed out you can beat the price with a stick. I have one though mine was an ex-Finnish one. Its got a once over from Sako back when it was still in use. The Finns also installed a heavier and more accurate barrel.

[solinvictus]

38. M39

I bought one for my stepdad for Father's Day a few years back and it's a tack driver.

[lenidog]

39. I shocked when I first started shooting it

because you don't expect a standard service rifle to be that incredibly accurate. I have been able to easily outshoot at the range people with brand new Remingtons, Weatherbys, etc. Not bad for a rifle thats over 60 years old. Like I said I have a mixture of rifles from that time period and I can't wait to get to the range and try out the Rubin. I always wanted one just because of that strange straight pull system. So I am eager to see how well it operates compared to a turnbolt.

[lenidog]

40. Holy Hell!!

I jsut entered the 700 club and didn't even realize it.

[slackmaster]

90. Good collector's items

I don't have either one yet, but they are on my list.

[proud patriot]

41. Not likely with a nine year old in the house

The Mastiff works well though.

[madeline_con]

45. I have a kid, guns and a dog

They don't ever get in each other's way.

My son loves shooting.

Teaching proper use helps kids learn about and respect the weapons.

They learn they're not toys to be passed around to neighborhood friends, which can result in tragedy.

[kineneb]

48. Have the old Winchester

Inherited from grandpa. Still works, after 90 years (dated to c.1915). Should go out and run a few round through it sometime. The 12 bore does not require great accuracy, just a really good shoulder pad.

Never piss off female trained since childhood with guns. I do not like to waste ammo. I am generally a pacifist, but if the bastards try to come for me or mine (or even the neighbors), this mama bear is going to be upset.

Don't have problem with guns...old lefties were willing to fight for their rights and I was raised by my now departed grandparents (born 1898 & 1905).

[zippy890]

50. gonna get me an assault rifle

right after church services this morning. Take my son along, he's 18 now and old enough to have one of his own.

Yep, should be a real nice American family values day.

;)

[skippythwndrdog]

51. I envy you, $10,000 is out of my gun budget.

I wish I could afford one...but I just can't swing the ten grand needed.

[arkie dem]

56. You don't need $10K

to buy a decent assualt weapon. $600-$1K will buy you a very good weapon. The other $9K can be spent on ammo...!!!

[skippythwndrdog]

58. To buy an assault rifle, you do.

Assault Rifles are select fire, full-auto (machine gun) capable. "Assault weapons" is a term made up by the Brady Bunch (Handgun Control Inc./Brady Campaign) to describe civilian rifles that they don't like. Additionally, the section of United States Code that defined "assault weapons" based upon cosmetics has expired, and firearm freedom is reigning again, despite the efforts of the anti-freedom Senators Feinstein (D-CA) and DeWine (R-OH). Therefore, there is no more definition of "assault weapon", unless you count what the antis have tried now, which would ban one of the most popular hunting shotguns in the world.

[arkie dem]

59. You are correct

select fire, full auto weapons are the real deal. I was referring to AR 15, Mini 14 and other semi-auto weapons when I posted.

[skippythwndrdog]

61. thanks.

BTW, I am an amateur AR-15 rifle-smith. I love my Evil Black Rifles!

This ins't an AR-15...but the principal still applies:


Oh boy...did I just bring out Oleg Volk?

[arkie dem]

63. Allright..!!!

I'm thinking about(just thinking for now. I have to help * with his war effort I owe a shitload of $ to the IRS) buying a Bushmaster Flattop with a 16" barrel. I hear the triggers aren't the best. If and when I get one, I may be calling on you for some trigger advice.

[skippythwndrdog]

70. 1st off, don't buy an AR...make it yourself.

Get yourself a "stripped" lower receiver from your local gunshop. Brand doesn't matter. DPMS, Rock River, Bushmaster, Superior, Mega, Stag, it doesn't matter, just stay away from "Hesse" or "Vulcan". Make sure it is not a "cast" receiver. Buy a lower parts kit from www.rbprecision.com along with a buttstock from them. Also order a complete upper half. They'll mail the stuff out to you, you assemble the lower, put on the upper, and you've got a great gun for a lot less money, and don't have to pay the 11% excise tax!

You can learn about everything at www.ar15.com just stay out of the "General" forums...they're a little right wing. The forums related to the AR rifles are phenomenal, though.

[arkie dem]

75. I've heard of doing that

just didn't know how much I would save.
I have an acct with a nationally known firearms parts supplier, but no FFL. I have a small business not related to firearms, but they let me buy wholesale...??? What the hell might as well take advantage of it.
I bought a Colt upper flattop receiver for a buddy of mine a few years back for real good price. Do you have an idea what a good lower would cost?

[skippythwndrdog]

77. Oh boy...here we go!

You should be able to buy a stripped lower for less than $130 bucks. Trust me, going through www.rbprecision.com instead of Brownells or Midways is better for a first timer, and only marginally more expensive.

[arkie dem]

80. Okay

I'm going to trust you on this. I can't buy the lower direct from the B word co. anyway. I'm assuming I will have to go through an FFL to buy the lower from rbprecision... ???

[skippythwndrdog]

83. Don't worry about getting the lower from them.

Just ask your dealer to order a stripped lower from Rock River or DPMS or Olympic. It should be around $130 or less. Or he can get it from RBPrecision too. The RB folks can walk you through it. Email is best for contacting them.

[arkie dem]

85. Thanks for the advice

it's greatly appreciated.

Jim

[Name removed]

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[Endangered Specie]

53. Ive given it serious thought...

I might try and learn to shoot over the summer, we'll see what happens.

[Wilms]

54. .

[Charon]

55. Purchasing Firearms

No, I already have sufficient fire arms and ammunition for the situation at hand.

[greendeerslayer]

57. Hopefully yes...

...the world's largest gun show is coming up in Tulsa, OK, April 2nd and 3rd. Ya'll are invited. I have a few guns now, but I will probably be buying another that weekend.

[arkie dem]

60. Be careful

There was an accidental shooting there a couple years ago.
I mostly stay away from gun shows, too many creepy NRA types. Not saying all are creepy just the ones wearing the silly hats and patches, and the militia wannabes are scary also.

[mtnester]

62. Own them already

Have for years...but even more important, stocking up on ammo

I never was a stock-up-for-emergencies type of person, but we have enough in the house to eat on for more than a year. Med kits, the works...contigency plans.

I feel ridiculous sometimes, but our household is too cautious to not be prepared.

[Benson]

65. I don't feel That I'm in any danger just because I'm a liberal

They're not going to "come for me."
There are no camps waiting for me.
There will be no purge.
There is no enemies list.

I refuse to live in paranioa.

[arkie dem]

68. Just give the neo-cons and the fundies time.

If they expand their majority in the Congress in 06 and * gets to pick a couple of Supreme Court Justices we're going to be in a world of shit.
I'm not paranoid either, but something to think about.
I wouldn't be so sure about " No Enemies List"

[Benson]

74. Booga Booga! I'm not going to live in fear.

If this was in the cards, why can't we see it comming?
We don't hear this on RW talk radio, "We're gonna get those evil libs!"
No pundits call for camps.
No Congressional Democrats (with inside info) are sounding a warning.

There are NO warning signs out there! Zip! Nada! None!
persecution on this level cannot be done in secret.

[arkie dem]

78. I wonder how long it took the

Japanese Americans at the start of WWII to figure out they were going away to camp?
I wouldn't know about RW talk radio never listen to it.
As for warnings from Congress, you might want to listen to the Honorable Senator Robert Byrd from WV.. He sees what * and co. is doing to our Constitution.

[Bridget Burke]

66. If anybody wants to shoot me, they need to bring their own gun.*

I'll leave the firearms to people with serious military experience. I know people who collect guns, go hunting, etc. That's fine for them. But a couple of hours at a firing range wouldn't be enough to make me a competent gunowner.

Houston artist Mel Chin designed this:



"Functional surgical gun-wound, first-aid kit (micro-electronic distress beacon on FM band, gauze, saline, narcotic, angiocatheter, epinephrine, instructional magazine), concealed within a Glock 9mm handgun."

www.pbs.org/art21/artists/chin/card2.html

--------------------

* Molly Ivins

[Squatch]

67. I need one more shotgun

I need a shotgun that friends and family can use when I take them duck hunting with me. Something cheap like a Remington 870 Express or a Mossberg 500.

[arkie dem]

72. The 870 Express

is a best buy, much better than the Mossberg.
I had the barrel bobbed off on my 870 Express to 21" and rethreaded for Tru-Choke tubes. It makes a great handling shotgun and very versitile.

[Squatch]

81. My first scattergun was an 870 Express. Bought it for $180 and sold it

for $250 a few years later. The guy I sold it to would buy the Brooklyn Bridge...

Loved it. A little heavy for upland hunting, but a definite good beginner shotgun.

[arkie dem]

84. Cut 7"'s off the 870 barrel

and you have a much nicer handling beast. i just priced mine for $200 with the 3 tubes and it's been drilled and tapped for a scope mount. I better reconsider.

[Squatch]

87. Or, just buy a Browning Citori Lightning Feather

A little pricey at about $1500 but definitely a nice little O/U.

The only problem is that shooting all morning with 3" magnums (or even 2 3/4 hi-brass) leaves your shoulder a little sore.

[ArkDem]

98. I'd go with the Remington Modular Combat Shotgun

http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/870mcs.htm

[hollowdweller]

69. I'm going to pick up a CZ52 I ordered today.

I already have one. Not because I am worried about any breakdown for society or anything, but just because they are cheap and fun to shoot.

Gun dealers have been making money off of people who are stocking up for the coming apocalypse since guns have been around, but the best reason to own a gun is to just have fun shooting it and testing your marksmanship, that or hunting.

[skippythwndrdog]

79. I love the CZ surplus pistols.

They are scary-cool. Bottle necked cartridges launching handgun bullets at warp-speed is really cool.

[adigal]

86. Very scary...a very rational, intelligent man

with whom I was speaking yesterday told me he had always been for gun control, but was now very happy he could buy a gun. He fears he will need it. This man is not a nutjob - he is a very successful businessman, and an important member of his community.

I was very worried after talking to him. But I don't plan to buy anything.

[slackmaster]

89. Of course - I collect them

I have an M1 Garand on the way from the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

I've also applied for a type 03 Federal Firearms License and will soon be an officially licensed Collector of Curio and Relic Firearms.

For self-protection I normally rely on three attack cats and an aluminum baseball bat. I usually carry a big folding lock-blade knife when I'm out of the house.

[Dangerman]

91. I was thinking of getting myself a bazooka (sacrasm)

[slackmaster]

94. If you want one, get one

A bazooka is basically a hollow tube. It's a rocket launcher, and in the absence of a live explosive round it's not regulated at all.

Back in the late '60s genuine World War II era bazookas were still plentiful and cheap. You'd be lucky to find one for a good price now.

[Cuban_Liberal]

92. I already own enough.

:)

[skippythwndrdog]

97. That's like a girl too pretty, a car too fast, or too much money!

Enough guns? That's impossible. My wife asked me, "How many guns do you need?" I replied, "I don't know, how many guns are there?"

[Ilsa]

93. Would like to, but I have little kids in the house,

and I don't need something else to worry about. And one of my boys is autistic.

We've been considering a move out to the country, but I don't want to pay for the extra gas to come in and out of town.

[_TJ_]

96. Guns are illegal where I live

Luckily our govenment is too incompetant to be a threat
to anybody ;)