Anyone else trembling on the edge of an eruption?

[WilliamPitt]

I am cleaning the shit out of my apartment to avoid smashing everything in it into matchsticks.

Unfuckingbelievable.

[pmbryant]

1. Close to it

I'm afraid this is going to be a common emotion over the next couple years.

:grr:

[radfringe]

61. I just sharpen my pencils....

and start drawing....

toon - 1 >>> http://radfringe.tripod.com/
toon - 2 >>> http://radfringe.tripod.com/id1.html

[walldude]

121. Good ones Rad.. just got onto my favorites list... n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

2. Funny, I thought you were describing a sex act.

Silly me. :D

[ewagner]

3. I'm learning to live

with the outrage....

I'm fortunate enough to have a blood pressure monitoring device to keep me from exploding.....whenever the bp gets too high, I leave DU or CSPAN and either go for a walk (although it's still freeking cold) or go out in the back yard and cut big chunks out of the snow with a golf club....calms me right down......

[bullimiami]

13. learning to live with the outrage. well put.

learning to accept that the world is not just, not fair, not sensible.

learning that stupid and evil people may never have to 'pay the piper' but instead might get a promotion, live a long life in wealth and luxury and die a peaceful natural death.

[DemoTex]

65. I have B/P problems, too, with strong situational overlays.

I find that 50 mg of atenolol + dyazide doesn't always control my B/P in these troubled times. My sphygmometer stays right by my computer. I check and log my b/p twice a day (or more in high stress situations).


Best B/P medicine ever!

[ewagner]

77. I take THE FAB FOUR

Asperin, Metoprolol, lisinopril and hydralazine...........

and yes, the sphygmometer is right next to the pc..........

[joanski01]

123. Sphygomonometer .

Couldn't resist correcting the spelling. Happened to work on a sphygo case while a legal secretary awhile back. Tough word!!! :P

[Gabi Hayes]

138. ????Sphygmometer...actually sphygmomanometer

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Sphygmometer

[DemoTex]

160. Actually all of the above, so don't get your head wrapped around one!

sphyg·mo·ma·nom·e·ter ( P )Pronunciation Key (sfgm-m-nm-tr) also sphyg·mom·e·ter (sfg-mm-tr) n.
An instrument for measuring blood pressure in the arteries, especially one consisting of a pressure gauge and a rubber cuff that wraps around the upper arm and inflates to constrict the arteries.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=SPHYGMOMETER

OK Gabby? Congats on your new job! How is it going, cooking for Pickles?

[manly]

172. spelling error

I believe your correction is incorrect
Sphygmomanometer. Try that. You omitted the first m.

[DemoTex]

234. No, there are two accepted spellings.

That is why I "cut-and-pasted" from the dictionary. Your sphygmomanometer is one of the two accepted spellings. My sphygmometer is the other accepted spelling. Your correction to my correction is incorrect. Got it?

[skids]

236. So what, it measures your sphincter?

:-)

[manly]

246. blood pressure cuff

I don't know, sphygmometer just doesn't sound right, or look right. Like there's an eyebrow missing, if you know what I mean.
Oh, well, enough of that.

[City Lights]

4. Yup.

I'm about to blow a gasket. I pity the fool who pisses me off today!

[livetohike]

5. Yes

:hi:

[crispini]

6. If this were in the lounge

it'd be a wicked pissah copycat candidate.

:hug:

Whenever I get angry, I go do some Democratic work. It's the only thing that makes me feel better. I've been frighteningly productive. But I may drop dead from exhaustion before 06...

[AlinPA]

7. That ANWR vote is a sign of things to come. Landrieu, Okaka and

Inouye voted with the rpigs. Pigs. Goddamn slime.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. What did I miss?

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. You have no idea how pissed off I am right now.

:nuke::grr:

[Hand]

18. Actually, I do...

...because I am

PISSED OFF BEYOND ALL REDEMPTION!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
That the way you feel?

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. yes, it is.

:grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr:

[rigel99]

26. Don't get angry HAND

get even!

[Hand]

37. Heh heh...

Does moving to Canada 15 years ago fill the bill?

[rigel99]

54. yes, but only if

you have projectiles that reach the white house from that location......

find some sick kid with projectile vomit and turn them south east...
that should do it.....

[Lorien]

136. Yes I do

Good thing I don't have a gun. :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

:grr: May every last Freeper on earth burn in Hell. :grr:

[tavalon]

217. Oh, don't worry

they will. With their antichrist leading the way.

[Name removed]

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[Teaser]

14. Do tell?

what plans?

[KansDem]

38. See post #20

:hi:

[rigel99]

17. do share...

kansas and GA can create a new plan together..

i'm bout totally ready for sumpin new....

[KansDem]

40. See post #20

:hi:

[bullimiami]

20. Knock Knock Knock

Smash.

Kansdem welcome to Guantanamo.

[Katarina]

11. All day long

And it's getting worse by the minute.

[bain_sidhe]

12. I think I've got outrage fatigue

These days my reaction is more of a huge sigh and a muttered "of course."

[info being]

21. Followed by "fuck it" for me

There's nothing I can do about the long winter to come...other than chop my wood and brace myself for survival.

[mordarlar]

167. I am in the same place as you right now. Fuck it. ::sigh::: And study up

on survival under duress.

[Ladyhawk]

195. Yeah, we all knew this was coming.

That's why many of us cried for weeks on end after the election. I still go on a crying jag occasionally.

[driver8]

163. That must be what I have -- outrage fatigue...

I am so fatigued from all of the bullshit this administration pulls that I just cannot get pissed off about anything anymore. Nothing that they do surprises me...it is more like "same shit, different day."

I have come to the realization that these fuckers will keep on doing what they are doing and they will get away with everything. The media doesn't challenge them, the democrats certainly don't challenge them, and the majority of the people of this country are too stupid or apathetic to give a shit.

[yvr girl]

15. I admire your restraint

moving puts me over the edge.

Do we need to take up a collection for a punching bag? It might be different in Boston, but I'm pretty sure you won't get your damage deposit back.

[tavalon]

218. We need

our fucking tea party!!!!!

[tridim]

16. I'm ready for some serious dissent in the streets

Our government is out of fucking control.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

28. I think the time has come...

for some very serious action. We have been marching en mass for over four years now and have seen little result.

I think it is time for mass civil disobedience -- be it national strikes, sit-ins, or other non-violent actions.

I mean just how much longer do we let this go on, folks??? Really? When do we say enough? When do we say "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anynore?"

I think I am there.

[Donailin]

132. I had the same thought all day long

first i listen to the retard and his press bullshit,what a stumbling mumbling fucking asswipe he is, he must have said "we're making progress" 20 fucking times, then i hear he nominates Paul Fucking Wolfowitz for WB President, then I hear the wonderful MoveOn gathering God Bless Senator Byrd!, then I hear the vote for Anwar 51-49, then I hear debate on the house floor for the budget resolution where up is down and black is white and top all this off with $2.10 a gall of gas and talk of peak oil and I just want to scream.

This can't go on. I'm paralyzed with indecision and fear of how to plan my godamn future. What the FUCK is wrong with these motherfuckers???!!!

[tavalon]

219. Wow, cheap gas

I live in Seattle, where the gas is about 2.39 a gallon.

Not that I actually want the gas to be cheap. I know that sounds cold but I know nothing will spur public transportation like a knife to the pocketbook.

[proud patriot]

190. I said that for years ago and haven't looked back

I'll be out there Saturday ..

[jn2375]

231. add me to....I just can't take it anymore

[lancdem]

19. I just found out about the Alaska drilling vote

and could scream. The only thing stopping me is that I'm at work. Everything this fucking administration does is to benefit some corporate interest, whether it's the oil industry, the credit-card industry, etc. When will people wake up?!?!!!

:mad:

[oldcoot]

58. I am so frustrated

The fact that we may lose everything our predecessors fought for including protecting the environment because the American people are oblivious to the world around them makes me want to vomit.

I will never forgive the people who voted for this bill.

[Teaser]

22. If we can't filibuster

we can't win anymore on these close votes. We need to get a majority just to stop these things from going through.

Of course, this is all the fault of being able to attach bills to the budget. I hate that practice.

[rigel99]

23. water guns. chocolate and foreign films....

that's today's comfort tokens to keep the eruption from happening......

every day is different...

yesterday it was shaking Badnarik's hand and telling him he won a kick ass / huge amount of Georgia voters votes (made him smile) but because of Diebold the write in votes never get tallied or even counted...

and the day before....

Marklar!!!

[Vinca]

25. I'm suffering from chronic pissedoffedness. It seems like

the world has turned upside down. This afternoon Democrats were arguing for fiscal conservatism and Republicans were accusing them of being the ones who are nuts. And don't get me started on ANWR. How the hell are we going to get out of this mess when they still control the voting machines??

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. We aren't. Unless evoting machines are dumped in every nearby river,

we will forever be ruled by this bunch of assholes. FOREVER. ONE party rule. They will continue to steal more seats in the Senate and House. Eventually, the Dem party will be dead.

[rigel99]

29. they won't still control the voting machines...

as of june 12th of this year... that is the date to watch...

the machines will lose control on that date...

you watch... this is my psychic prediction..

it's a good day to end election fraud.....

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. OK. I bookmarked this thread. June 12? eh? Please, please, please

be right.

[rigel99]

44. Why not? it's a great date to take back our country

Why don't we plan a party for that date.. just to have something for goddamn sake to look forward to...

*** really ***

I mean it... why don't we plan a party, and airfare will be paid by the won lawsuit damages money... come on....

let's set a goal.... someone pick an island in the carribean to celebrate June 12th.....

[thecrow]

42. I heard that here in VA electronic voting is supposed to

take over. Completely.
So here in VA we haven't a hope for 2006.

In 2004 I refused to vote electronically.
This guy was posted at the booths and said, "would you like to try voting on the computers?"

I said "no... I don't trust them until they can put out a paper trail... I mean, if the manufacturers can build ATMs with a paper trail, they surely can build a damn voting machine that has a verifiable record of the vote.. would you trust a bank that didn't give out receipts?
No. I thought so. Well, my vote is at LEAST AS IMPORTANT as my banking transactions, and I DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON YOUR COMPUTERS!!"

Then in a whisper he replied, "I hear you. I don't trust them either."

I guess I'm talking about this because I don't even want to get started on how I feel about ANWR.
How many of you are ready to fly p there and build a human shield around ANWR?

[rigel99]

45. get a copy of your election guide for your state

find the paragraph that says the county election board has to have a meeting to approve the use of DRE machines...

that same meeting can be held to get rid of DRE machines....

work locally... it's much easier than any of us could possibly imagine....

[tavalon]

220. Hey, there's a question

if we show up at a polling station but refuse to vote by machine, do they have to give us a paper ballot. And even if they don't, is there some way to make this a media issue. Oh, wait, never mind, we're back to the damn media again. Fuck, fuck, fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Donailin]

133. exactlty. exactly.

I mean this is truly orwellian. The democrats were pleading for God sakes for some godamn fiscal discipline and there goes Trent Lott spouting some bullshit about how cutting taxes has helped us enormously. If I was within 100 feet of that man, I'd wring his godamn neck, I'm just that mad.

[kanrok]

30. Not really...but I may have to go to the bathroom

Does that count?

[montanacowboy]

31. What will it take?

I am long past thinking of what it will take. I don't think there is any point to reach any longer. We will take it and take it and take it....and take it some more.

What the American people have LONG forgotton is that the government exists only by THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED. WE THE PEOPLE NO LONGER CONSENT. SO WHAT DO WE DO? Our party is laughable, they cannot stand together for anything. These three pitiful fools today, what have they gained? THEY MAKE MY HEART SICK, AND I AM SO SICK OF THESE FOOLS WHO FOR FOOLS GOLD HAVE SOLD SOMETHING PRECIOUS AND IRREVOCABLE.

PITIFUL BASTARDS - WHEN WILL WE TAKE UP THE PITCHFORKS, AND STAND IN OUR STREETS UNTIL THIS GOVERNMENT LISTENS TO THE PEOPLE.

IT IS A SAD DAY FOR US WHO CARE ABOUT SOMETHING AS DEAR AND PRECIOUS AS OUR NATURAL TREASURES - HOW LONG CAN THEY CONTINUE TO HEAP UPON US THEIR PSYCHOPATHIC AGENDAS....

I HAVE NO WORDS

[newportdadde]

32. Our party is a joke.

Damn we can't stick together in the Senate for anything... so freaking dissappointed.

I know lets start strip mining or something in fucking Hawaii or transport all of our nuke waste over there since its island.... ugh.

[DoYouEverWonder]

41. What do you expect

when the only way to get elected now a days is if you're in bed with the Repugs one way or another.

Why do you think they all use the same firms to run their campaigns?

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. I'm for that. Hawaii should be our new nuclear waste dump.

Sounds good to me. Instead of Yucca Mountain, I'm sure they could find a much bigger/better mountain to dump the stuff. Think of all the jobs THAT would create. They want jobs at any cost? Give 'em Yucca Mountain's expected waste. :grr:

[XemaSab]

143. Sell off Mauna Loa, Mauna Kea

and all the other sacred volcanoes to the crushed rock industry.

[Redneck Socialist]

33. No, just very, very sad

I've been involved in the ANWR issue to one degree or another for over ten years now and I'm pretty much convinced that the evil fuckers in this world won't be happen until they ruin every place on the planet and it looks like they have a very good chance at succeeding.

[goodboy]

34. How's about a drink Will? Come to Columbus for a few days, I'll get

Andy on the plane to meet us here.

[kohodog]

35. Time to Revolution (Up against the wall motherfuckers)

That sums up my mood. These guys will drill through 50 baby seals to get a pint of oil.

Greedy-Mother-Fucking-Bastards. A pox on all their houses.

[redqueen]

39. I feel like giving up.

Seriously... I'm thinking of just leaving and moving someplace sane. This is too much... too much corruption... too much betrayal... just too. &@^%!*#. much.

[rigel99]

49. we need you redqueen...

i want to leave too.. have open invitations to NZ, Holland, London,
China...

but staying.... fighting.. they are not taking down my democracy without my blood on their hands....

I'm for fighting all the way!!!!

[acmejack]

150. I'm with you!

I'll not leave MY Country for a bunch of pissant repuglicans. Everyone on this forum knows, deep inside, what will be required to rid ourselves of this vile pestilence. May we have the strength and wisdom required.

[MrNiceGuyDied]

68. please don't give up I just got here!

The outrages of the past week made me sign up after reading this site since the election.(selection)

Please don't give up more people are waking up everyday.

[myrna minx]

76. Welcome to DU, MrNiceGuyDied.

:hi: It is truly a sad day.

[Donailin]

134. welcome to DU :-)

love your screen name

[MrNiceGuyDied]

169. thank you my name is a reflection of my state of mind

A group of friend and I were already to invade your corrupt country before I found DU.

We had amassed at the Peace bridge and were about to attack when we saw a VW van with Florida plates and a DU bumper sticker. The driver got out of the van and kissed the ground once arriving in Canada.

After a quick chat with these friendly folks my friends and I decided to give you guys some more time to sort yourselves out before invading.

We hope to help. Any suggestions?

[Donailin]

178. "We hope to help. Any suggestions?"

Please come save us!

[tavalon]

221. Invade already

bring the rest of the world! Take us down, please! We don't seem to know how to do it ourselves.:-(

[XemaSab]

144. Welcome to DU

n/t

[CrispyQ]

137. I feel the same way, however,

the fight for our country will be here -- no place else. But it gets harder & harder every day to put up with the insanity.

I am outraged, simply outraged. And I am so pissed off that I sent that weasel Ken Salazar money for his campaign & put his stinkin' yard sign in my yard. He confirmed Condi, Gonzalez, & voted yea for tort reform, bankruptcy & now ANWAR. I am so goddamned mad right now, I cannot write a letter to him or any of the other dem traitors till I calm down or I will be in jail for threatening a senator.

I cannot wish enough bad things to happen to the current thugs & weasels in our government.

[earth mom]

216. I feel the same way...

These bastards are PURE EVIL...
And though good usually triumphs evil...
It's doubtful that it will happen anytime soon...
:cry:

[concord]

46. My living room is sparkling now

After November, I learned to put the outrage to use. I've also been somewhat detached knowing that votes like this would happen over the next 4 years. I've been numb, but not inactive.

My talk yesterday with an Iranian American for whom I have a great deal of respect has given me hope. He said, "I have faith in the people." This is a man who cannot return to Iran and hasn't seen his family in 20 years because he would not serve in their military. He says the loss of liberties for our safety is the same approach the Mullahs take; it's all politics.

At some point, the economic reality of these policies will turn enough people to achieve critical mass.

Keep up the good fight and do not lose hope. Enjoy your clean apartment. :)

[TOOLZ]

47. I've felt this coming on...

I'm a lot more alienated than I thought? ANWAR? Wolfowitz for World Bank?

At what point do we revolt? Or will we just know at the time?

[rigel99]

51. June 12th..

that's the date...

let's all just party and revolt on that date....

[walldude]

122. Sure, you had to pick my wedding day for a revolt.. thanks

[rigel99]

241. sorry, Maybe we'll start on the 11th too

for those who want to celebrate their weddings on the 12th...
it'll be a weekend long thing I suspect...

[catmandu57]

48. I saw it coming in November

At about 7:30 central when my fundie meighbors were celebrating the coming apocolypse. I knew then and I know now we're going to get some nasty foul shit shoved down our throats.
If we aren't headed to full pitched civil war by this time next year, then it'll surprise the hell out of me.

[Harry S Truman]

154. Civil War?

You name the place and time, and I'll be there with weapons and a really short fuse.

[Spinoza]

237. You better have a lot

of 'gun' because you will be fighting the U.S. Marines. Are we going nuts? Civil war as a viable option? Get a grip, people!

[hyphenate]

50. I would be smashing everything

but my health sucks and I have no energy to do much more than look at it and seethe.

[Ladyhawk]

196. I'm sorry, hyphenate. I have the same problem.

I look at it and seethe. I'm going to try to march on Saturday, though, unless I'm really ill.

[hyphenate]

213. My sympathies are with you

Good luck on the march.

Things might get a little better when spring comes--I hope. I just can't tolerate being on my feet for too long of a time, and I tire so damned easily. Two summers ago I was getting bad, but I still managed to do a couple of non-stressful hikes. Now, I walk to the bus station and have to stop to take a breath a couple of times.

[Lisa]

52. this will be a fiasco -- and they will try to pretend ...

... that nobody warned them about potential problems -- and that they didn't oversell the idea in the first place. This will be true for ANWR, and Social Security privatization, and Iraq ...

Document everything! Not just the social and environmental impacts resulting from any development, but the paper trail showing who stands to make a buck. If this is anything like their other efforts, the promised benefits won't materialize. How many jobs and for how long? How much oil and who actually uses it, Americans or overseas buyers?

[UdoKier]

53. I gave up around the time John Kerry gave up.

Which was back in September or October of last year. I've been resigned to the slow death of this country ever since. It's sad, but liberating...

[Name removed]

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[Bridget Burke]

57. Late to the game, aren't you?

This really isn't the thread for gentle treatment of the innocent.

Ever hear about GOOGLE.COM?

[Name removed]

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[Bouncy Ball]

56. For all of you wondering when people will take to the streets en masse

I'll tell you when that will happen:

1. When people get cold enough

2. When people get hungry enough

3. When people get generally uncomfortable enough

and

4. When people turn off their cable/satellite.

Any combination of 1-3, along with #4, will produce real revolt, street style.

Until then, don't hold your breath. As long as people are eating, halfway comfortable, and sitting in front of the box, ain't nothing gonna happen.

With the bushies in charge, though, a combo of 1-3 isn't ever too far off.

[walldude]

124. Hell BB I don't think even that will be enough

If King George tells the masses they need to be cold, hungry, and poor so he can keep saving the world, they will do it. The word lemming comes to mind. I think when the revolution comes it's going to have to be a whole new kind of revolution. Don't ask me to explain what that means, I just have a feeling that large scale protests or street style revolution ain't gonna cut it in the information age. Not that I will stop protesting or anything but I've been, since the election, trying to figure out how to stop this runaway train. Everytime I think the counrty will say enough is enough, some other crazy thing happens and people just look away, or worse, spin it to the point where up is down... I think the revolution is going to be electronic.
BTW this wasn't a shot at you I think you are one of the best posters in this joint :toast:

[Bouncy Ball]

142. Thanks and I think you have a point.

Some things I hadn't thought about....

[driver8]

166. Walldude, I agree with you...

King George can tell the public whatever he wants and the majority of them swallow it hook, line and sinker. After all, he is a "war time President" who makes a decision and sticks with it.

As long as georgie and co. have the media in their pocket, there will not be a revolution of any kind.

[Ladyhawk]

197. "I think you are one of the best posters in this joint."

I'll second that.

[DebJ]

153. so, in about 2007 or 2008

[zann725]

208. I'm predicting it'll be a very "hot" summer. People couldn't express

their dissatisfaction with the Election in Nov. because logistically it started snowing,and getting cold, and the Holidays came, and everyone was busy.

But everyone's growing gradually dismayed, and once they all start sitting out on their door steps in the summer, I'm predicting a real awakening...reminiscent of the 60's.

[Jersey Devil]

60. This is the way the world ends - not with a bang but with a whimper

The Hollow Men
T. S. Eliot (1925)

I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us -- if at all -- not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer --

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom

III

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.

IV

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.

V

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow

For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow

Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

[rigel99]

66. THANKS Jersey Devil

this poem made my day..

big smiles.... we who love T.S. Eliot salute you.....

[KamaAina]

62. Intriguing choice of metaphor, considering who sold out on ANWR

I don't suppose there's any chance of a lava flow approaching Inouye's and/or Akaka's offices... what's that, Pele?

[gumby]

63. The Promise of America

has become an oily, black, bottomless cesspool.

THERE IS NO POLITICAL SOLUTION NOW. We've passed that point.

Bouncy Ball, the only time people will be marching in the streets is on their way to the local GITMO.

[raccoon]

230. What's GITMO? nt

[Borgnine]

64. If my name was Bruce Banner...

...my shirt would be torn by now.

[Bouncy Ball]

67. Bye bye Alaska.

Bye bye natural beauty. America sold its soul for six months of oil, if it's even there.

Putting republicans in charge is like letting murderers run the prison.

It's like letting thieves handle the cash registers.

[catmandu57]

75. The oil there will

be headed for the military, it takes mucho barrels to run them tanks, bradleys, planes, and ships.

[mitchtv]

94. Sure will be fun hunting wolves by copter, tho

They will find out there are too many caribou, wolf and polar bear in ANWR.the weather is getting too warm for permafrost roads, I guess we'll need an asphalt factory and quarry .

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[KansDem]

78. Do you have a link for this info?

Not that I don't trust you, "Mr. 4 Posts," but I'd just like to know the source of these statistics...

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[Jesus Saves]

93. That 10.4 barrel stat the right wing hacks put on the phony ANWR site

"10.4 Billion Barrels of Oil is the mean volume USGS estimate for technically recoverable conventional oil in the entire assessment area of ANWR; including federal lands, native-owned private lands and state-regulated waters. "

Yep, they want to open it ALL up eventually. Anyone who isn't dumber than a sack of sh*t can clearly see this.

[Goldmund]

95. http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm

[AuntiBush]

147. I'm so Heartbroken, I'm moved long past Tears, now.

I actually questioned my religion today. Because I truly hate these Evil M-Fers. But, I am taking action in my own way.

1. Closing bank account out this week. My bank is on the list from Sinclair (Swift Boat Bastards).
2. Taking phone down to bare essentials. As long as the damn thing rings, fine. (Verizon) another bad corp. While I'm at it, I'm changing online providers, too.
3. Satellite - Bare Essentials, too! I'm going to use that blocking for kids and delete out that Military station, and CNN, FOX (JOKE), ABC, CBS, NBC, MS-NBC. What will I be missing? No news. Just PROPAGANDA and while I'm at it I'll call them again to say "Cya!"
4. My neighbors (lazy bunch) now own 3 that's 3 Suv's. Just bought another one some weeks back. Guess they were celebrating the contamination of our freedoms, and environment.

Why should I continue to pay hand-to-fist for those that lobby to harm us. I'm paying the devil. No more!

I'm heartbroken. How can this continue? How can those that call themselves religious fundamentalist really be Christians? They can't.

Here Freepers! Tell it to these two, since you don't give a damn about your fellow Americans. :sad:



Wanted to add: Where I live, FREEPERS better stay out of my way. I'm so fed-up with taking their crap. No more. Tired of being kind to those that don't are and THEY are part of the problem!

[DebJ]

155. what you should do with the $$ savings: pay all credit cards and

debts. When we starve the financial industries, we will be getting somewhere.

[tavalon]

223. Actually, no

for anybody who can stomach it and who has credit card debt, it's time to declare bankruptcy. They accused us of trying to stiff them, it might just be time to do exactly that. And we will need to do it within the next 200 days or so.

Just a thought.

[raccoon]

232. right on,

some sort of economic boycott(s) might get some attention.

[jdj]

198. me too. far past tears.

I
think
I'm
going
to
stop
spending
money.

I may even close my bank account and keep money under my mattress.
Capitalism sucks.

I'd give anything to not ever have to drive anywhere ever again.

God help us.

[Ladyhawk]

200. BIG HUGS, AuntiBush. :(

Your post touched me. I don't even want to THINK about what's been happening. I, too, am past tears, though they sometimes still leak from my eyes.

After November 2, I wailed over and over, "My country is dead. My country is dead. My country is dead."

Now I just watch helplessly as the right-wingers kill it. That polar bear in your post is worth more than all the freepers in this country. I feel that way right now. I know that I should be open to people and love people more than animals, but nature has shown itself to be more trustworthy, even as brutal as she can be.

:hug:

[Jesus Saves]

96. That ANWR.org site is nothing but a right wing hack site

It's a fake. It's all done up to make you think its official.

It's all propaganda - right wing industry hack propaganda!

[Letsbefriends]

99. Those right wing freaks

I hope they go to hell. Do you think they get this info from satan himself?

[Jesus Saves]

108. What kind of foolishness is this?

I see how seriously the right wing takes these things. They post phony industry propaganda, and then when they get called on that, they resort to childishness.

The right wing base really doesn't care about this issue one way or the other, never did. It's always just about spite. You just want to 'show up' people you've been taught to hate.

It must suck being a foolish and obedient right wing foot soldier.

[Letsbefriends]

114. Indeed

And to think, most on the right align themselves with christianity. Dont they know its a sin to lie? Or to even wrongly accuse another person?

[KansDem]

100. HAHAHAHA...so I'm the "silly" one!

"anwr.org" is sponsored by the Arctic Power Lobby!

State spends more money on Arctic drilling
MARCH 13, 2001

http://64.62.196.98/News/archive.asp?ID=env/3132001-2&day=3/13/01

The Alaska Senate Finance Committee on Monday approved a $1.85 million spending plan to address efforts to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to oil drilling.

The House had previously approved a $1.5 million grant to Arctic Power, a pro-development group. The Senate approved the amount, added $250,000 for educational outreach, and $100,000 to go directly to the village of Kaktovik, whose residents have said they have been swamped by outside press descending upon the region in search of stories.

Get the Story:
Panel raises Arctic Power lobby funds (The Anchorage Daily News 3/13)

Relevant Links:
Arctic Power's ANWR Site - www.anwr.org

You've been had by Bush Disinformation, you "silly" goose, but fear not, so has at least 51% of Americans who believe his bullshit!

[Jesus Saves]

81. Got any links to those questionable facts?

I have no doubt those come from Newsmax or some industry hack run site like junkscience.com.

The fact is that scientists (not right wing industry hacks) believe that AK drilling will produce just a drop in the bucket, and will in practice produce just enough to line the pockets of the oil companies, but do nothing to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

I say let our last true great unspoiled American wilderness remain.

And sense wingers can only think in terms of dollars, and are totally incapable of thinking about things in terms of other values, let me say this: the value of wilderness is always increasing, because its existence on this earth is always shrinking. There are many who make money of that wilderness without raping it.

But I know wingers - wingers get off on despoiling places and things. It makes them all excited.

[MissB]

79. I don't suppose you have the source for this drivel?

By any chance?  If you're still around, that is.

[Bouncy Ball]

82. Cite your source.

Now.

[MissB]

85. Search by author

and alert, if you don't mind.

[Bouncy Ball]

92. Already did!

:thumbsup:

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[Jesus Saves]

105. That source you cite - the webpage is classic right wing phony BS

That whole website ANWR.org is an industry hack propaganda phony piece of garbage.

The whole thing is funded by a power company, Arctic Power.

It's phony, non-scientific BS.

www.csun.edu/~vcspc00g/454/bouncedbloggers-lat.pdf

[Jesus Saves]

88. All native Alaskans support it?

The Gwich'in Athabascans in Alaksa have come out against it. You can look it up. Of course, those right wing industry hack sites leave out all kinds of details, scientific and otherwise.

[Letsbefriends]

103. The polls are wrong!

Interestingly, only slightly more than half (53%) at least somewhat support (26% strongly support) energy reform that would allow companies to drill for oil in such areas as the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) which is the proposal President Bush and Republicans in Congress desire. In fact, just less than one-third (30%) of the public strongly opposes the idea of energy reform that allows drilling.


http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=539

[Jesus Saves]

111. Online polls mean nothing

[hunter]

71. Wow. So this is what it's like to live in a nation that is dying...

...let's all wave to our friends in the "former Soviet Union!"

Hah!

Instead of smashing things into matchsticks I'm amusing myself with fantasies of Paul Wolfowitz trying to lend worthless dollars to people who don't want them.

"Pleeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzze...." Wolfowitz whines, "I'll throw in a couple of giant Cadillac and Lincoln SUV's!"

"Gasoline too?"

"Of course not!"

"How about a Hummer?"

"I could do that..."

"I'm sure you could! But you're not my type."

"Listen here, you tinpot dictator!"

"No, you listen to me, Mr. God Bless America. We can get a much better deal from China, and they're offering to pay off all our dollar debts. But no hard feelings, okay? Here, have a cigar. It's Cuban."

"But that's not fair!" Wolfowitz howls as he slaps the cigar onto the floor. "The United States has always been your nation's friend!"

"Yeah, right, sure you have. Boo-fucking-who."

"We will destroy you!"

"Be gone, witch, before somebody drops a house on you!"

Wolfowitz gets down on his belly, elongates, and slithers away to his next appointment...

[justsomegirl]

83. Nasdrovya!

...let's all wave to our friends in the "former Soviet Union!"

DING! DING! DING! You get a cookie.

[coffeenap]

98. Around 25 of those former Soviet cititzens died today

in a plane crash on the way to or from their place of employment--the Arctic area oil fields of Russsia.

[dog_lovin_dem]

72. Let's see...

I booted up the computer and when my home page(TO)came up, I instantly began cussing and the tears of frustration began. I believe the dam has finally broken.

[Letsbefriends]

91. I am with you

I believe this is the end of the world as we know it. I am about to tear my hair out! I cant eat, and I cry non-stop!

[Sugarbleus]

73. I've been on the edge of an eruption for months...now I'm on the

edge of a HEART ATTACK. Soooooooooooooooo many things were/are wrong with this Budget. Anything good that needs attention/amending/redress in this budget is being flushed down the toilet. There is no hope.

Once cuts to programs and drilling in pristine places take place; there's NO GOING BACK. It can't be UNdone.

Welcome to Afghanistan USA :cry:

[me b zola]

130. Otherwise known as Dumbfuckistan

[tavalon]

224. LOL

The United States of Dumbfuckistan. I like it. Well, I don't like it, but you know what I mean.

[MissB]

74. No.

I've bypassed anger and gone straight to hysterical laughter.

It all seems like this piss-poorly written comedy. Unfuckingreal.

[tom_paine]

80. No comment.

But try and take a guess.

[Pithy Cherub]

84. My anger is going right into socratic planning....

Where will my dollars go so as not to line the pockets of the undeserving without my consent?

How shall I let elected officials know more eyes are watching with larger coalitions?

What do I need to do to get more people to vote at the polls? and on...


I ABSOLUTELY HATE THE bankruptcy bill, ANWR drilling, class action lawsuits, the fact that we are not EVEN 12 FUCKING WEEKS into this congressional session is KILLING ME!

[LSdemocrat]

87. The Republicans do control the government. I expect this sort of thing.

[EFerrari]

90. We have to lean on the leadership, no, we have to deck 'em.

And fuck the numbers, the good intentions or upraised helpless little hands.

We have to make them a promise we can keep. Now.

[katinmn]

97. Absolutely.

The bankruptcy bill, AMWR, proposed cuts in Medicaid, to name just a few and the continual lies leave me livid.

I think I am getting more angry every day.

[drthais]

101. abosLUTEly

this was the last straw
I am now physically ill with the whole bag of crap

why are we not ALL OUT IN THE STREETS?
why are we here in front of our computers?
are we scared that there aren't enough of us???????????
what are we going to do when they reinstate the DRAFT? what THEN?

I couldn't think
I mopped the kitchen floor
and I don't feel any better
but at least it was something I could have some say about

[tavalon]

225. I'm hoping for the draft

not because I'm one of the soulless but because I think it is the only thing that will save us. I think it will cause the popular uprising that we so desperately need.

[Spinoza]

238. Fascists support the draft!

No fucking draft!

[tavalon]

244. Yeah right, I'm a fascist

I don't actually support the draft per se. I support the wake up call that the draft will represent. Otherwise, this country will continue to be destroyed by the fascists with no real interest from the masses.

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[MissB]

104. You need to provide a link for your source

And I'd suggest that you read the rules before posting.

[Bridget Burke]

107. Too late. Thank you, Mods!

(By the way--his source was a FAKE ANWR site.)

[MissB]

112. I'm not terribly surprised

He wasn't an intelligent troll.

[bear425]

140. That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one!

:toast:

[spanone]

109. Facts do not trump Ideals. And the Ideal of democrats is to preserve

the environment. The fact is that the republicans want to gut ANY environmental initiative. I don't care if every single Alaskan was for it, I am against it on principle.

[Geek_Girl]

113. I hope your smart enough to realize

That what you are posting are talking points put forth by the oil industry to make the case to suckers (like yourself) for drilling in the ANWR.

[NervousRex]

106. I'm with you Man

Time to circle the wagons...hunker-down and use our brains to survive this shit. When the Freeper-types are knocking on the door looking for a handout I will exercise my right...leg...and boot 'em in the face...if not worse.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

110. Yes... Locked the cat in the bedroom so if something happens

to fly against the wall he won't get hurt. :grr:

[VOX]

115. I'm stuck in an office with no acceptable place to vent...

So I got in my car, drove home, screamed my lungs out and wrote e-mails, made two calls to Hawaii, and came back to the office. :mad:

I knew all this shit was going to happen w/*'s re-selection, but **seeing** it happen is something else.

My biggest concern is looking ahead to 2006-2008 -- Will there even be enough left of America to salvage?

[tavalon]

226. Or better question

is there any place where voting will actually be honest?

[methinks2]

116. I blew about 9:40 this morning, I'm feeling much better now

:beer:

[Selatius]

117. I don't care anymore about the gov't; I just care for friends/family

I trust politicians to be politicians. I never expect more from them than what is justified. As a result, I'm never truly upset about anything bad that happens anymore, just a little disappointed and angered. I expect it because that's what most politicians are: Greedy, self-interested, back-stabbing, blood-sucking, hypocritical sorry sacks of shit.

Personally, I think this country is finished. Power is too concentrated, and it corrupts the souls of people. Rather than electing the few to be making decisions for us, we should be making the decisions ourselves and then telling them to carry out our mandate.

[Ladyhawk]

203. My "friends" and "family" enabled this shit.

I feel like Fox Mulder: Trust No One.

[dandrhesse]

118. why don't we just disband congress and save ourselves the grief

If Republicans are just gonna let Bush do whatever he pleases and not even make a show of an attempt at oversight, then they should just declare us a dictatorship and close the congress down, the GAO and the DOJ and save the taxpayer some money and time and frustration.

[Selatius]

120. No, it'll be too obvious if they liquidate Congress

They need Congress to complete the illusion of a functioning democratic republic.

[grace0418]

119. I'm right there with you Will

I'm so angry I've been shaking all day.

[DaDeacon]

125. HAHAHAHA suckers !!!!

The writing was on the wall when crude oil prices hit an all time hi! It's all smoke and bright lights. You want a change start "really planing" a new "revolution" the blood of patriots will have to be spilled before things change. Words have lost meaning with those who only see $$$.

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[NEOBuckeye]

177. Guess you still have a decent-paying job, and think you have a future.

More and more people here don't have the former, and are feeling pretty depressed about the latter. These are times when people are supposed to be able look to their leaders for relief. But relief... coming from George Bush? Dick Cheney? HA! HA! HA! That would almost be funny, if so many millions hadn't suffered for the ambitions of these vile men.

Who knows what those bastards are in this for. Money? Power? Infamy? Whatever it is, it sure as hell ain't about anything good for you or I. And there's no end in sight. 2006 won't change that. Neither will 2008. 2012 might, though, but only because there will be many more people like those in this thread who will be very angry and desperate to make the usurpers of power pay attention to them.

[Laurab]

199. Oh, it's not this thread I don't think

it's the loss of our democracy....bit by bit, piece by piece, day by day. The loss of a government "by the people, for the people". The fact that we are, in fact a one party country, not far from being a total dictatorship. I don't think many things are worth shedding human blood for, to be honest. I think, with this regime riding roughshod over our democracy, it may indeed have to come to that. To protect our children from having to go to any more unnecessary wars, to protect our environment, to protect our civil rights, to protect our ability to make a living, but most of all, to save our DEMOCRACY. You know - the "freedoms" everyone "hates us for". The ones we don't really seem to have anymore.

But then, I'm not sure we CAN take to the streets, since they're now throwing peaceful anti-war protestors into jail. Since they can hold people in jails for any length of time without charging them. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but this stuff really SCARES me.

Our checks and balance system (ie our democracy) isn't working anymore. Maybe you like facism, but I don't.

[Booster]

126. Yes, I'm outraged, but wish I would turn it into someting useful

like you do and take my anger out on my garage. Why or why does stuff in the garage get so out of hand so quickly? I think within the next 4 years I will go out there and just start throwing things out in the name of Bushita.

[dooner]

127. Hawaii needs military bases

That's my theory... The arm twisters promised to avoid any base closures in Hawaii IF the senators went along with oil drilling.

They just announced the committee to review new base closures.

[JanMichael]

128. Between Stephanie and myself our place could just spontaneously combust.

I don't know who's more apoplectic. Some days I'm pretty sure that I'm the one completely over the edge, lately though I'm afraid she's beginning to take the lead...

[Blue_Tires]

129. blowing up like Tom Berenger in 'Platoon'

[Lydia Leftcoast]

131. I have been outraged every single day since January 2001

I'm fizzling into apathy and depression. I no longer have the emotional energy to do anything active, although I'll turn out for our local protest on March 19. If a lot of people do the same, I'll regain some hope.

One of the differences between this country and many others is that we no longer have much of a community life or tradition of sitting around in cafes and bars arguing about politics. Too many people are just accepting the trivialization of our culture.

I bet that if you stopped 100 people at the average shopping mall and asked them what today's biggest news story was, 90 of them would say Scott Petersons' death sentence. Five of them (mostly older) would say that it was Robert Blake being found innocent.

[Tansy_Gold]

148. Lack of community

I think the fact that we're having this discussion on DU instead of in our neighborhoods, at the local pub, in line at the grocery store, is indicative of WHY there's no revolution. We have no cohesion.

And when we do, it's ephemeral. A million of us come together to protest the war, and then we wave good-bye and go home again, to our isolated little islands of frustration.

I don't know what the answer to that is. I don't know if it means we should put signs in front of our residences that say, in big bold letters "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT TAKING IT ANY MORE -- HOW ABOUT YOU?" and see how many local folks respond? Or do we risk getting our houses targeted by RW thugs and we're afraid of what will happen so we take the safe, but silent, tack?

Do we wait for a leader to arise? How long do we wait? And how will we recognize that leader when she or he finally shows up?

I don't know. I just fucking don't know.

[zippy890]

159. interesting points

The notion that since we, our voices, are not together physically as would be if we shared the same neighborhood, we lack the community-base.
ephemeral, this cyberspace message board - it lacks mass and density, it has no impact.

but it is good for getting information, and thats important

[Donailin]

149. and who could be mad at them for being ignorant??

with the exception of c-span which is still airing the live debate on the floor of the house, every MSM news station is wall to wall coverage of blake, jackson and an abducted child. NOT ONE WORD of the four consecutive RELEVANT stories in our nation today. GOSSIP; that is all that is airing. I'm beside myself with frustration.

[cry baby]

135. TOTALLY ON EDGE!!!...See, I'm yelling...ergggggg

[TrustingDog]

139. pace yourself like a good long distance racehorse...

we ain't seen nothing yet. Bush has only just hit the accelerator to his purposeful destructions. We have almost four more years of this to come, (actually I believe it will be a lot longer) in bigger, uglier packages.

but goodness, I worry so much for our kids. What are they going to have in their adulthood? fucking nothing like what we had, or thought we did.

[Generic Other]

141. I live by Mt. St. Helen's, so yes I am on the edge of an eruption

I also have been ranting and raving all day.

My place is starting to look clean. How about yours?

We aren't done fighting yet, are we? I thought I was over getting this mad at anything those morans could do.

:mad:

[Ladyhawk]

204. Could someone explain to me how to turn rage into cleaning? n/t

[tavalon]

227. Hmmm, you just do it

clean angrily.

[XemaSab]

145. Do some tree surveys....

...GPSed 150 trees today, and things are pretty good.

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[Martin Eden]

146. I never knew I had so much capacity ...

... for outrage.

No matter how low the repukes go, my disgust, contempt, and anger keeps reaching new heights.

[dogindia]

151. the fraud...all the lies...and just now facing peak oil

and the absolute denial within the culture. Not just mad at Republicans except that they are not very smart.

To wrap one's mind about the end of oil and what it means makes everything look differently.

The greed we see in corporate (bush) seems like a pivot point.

Can we think about counterpoints and ways to bring them into being.

[Just Me]

152. What's up, Will? What's up?

:shrug:

[KG]

156. after that chili i had for lunch, i dam sure am on the edge of an eruption

i hope i dont get any on the walls.....

[lonestarnot]

157. THOSE DIRTY ROTTEN MFRS! SICK TO DEATH OF THEIR SHIT!

[Spinoza]

239. Peace.

Love is all you need.

[rigel99]

242. love love love

just spread so much love, the dark has no where else to go.... but to get bright with light and love....

[_TJ_]

158. THEONION has all the answers...

http://afish.typepad.com/afish/2004/07/theonion_libera.html

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[libnnc]

165. Yep. But red wine helps...a lot.

[Alpharetta]

229. Worked for me last nite

My 11 yr old son wanted to shoot some pool w/ me.
I downed a nice merlot/cabernet mix from Chile. Yummy. Warm and fuzzy.
We were listening to Sirius Disorder (channel 6024 on DISH) and the mix was good.
It was very relaxing and I went to bed early.

Today I'll concentrate on teachable moments. I coach little league and I am a sunday school teacher. My strategy for turning the tide. My strategy for doing something about this bullshit political situation.

There. I feel better already.

[WillyT]

168. Yep... And I'm Gonna Take It To The Streets This Weekend !!!

Anybody else?

:grr::nuke::mad:

[libnnc]

171. Me. In Asheville on Sunday.

[WillyT]

176. Right On, libnnc !!!

:yourock:

[TexasSissy]

170. Yes. I'm almost physically ill. This has hit me soooo hard. Sooo hard.

The betrayal by those in our party. The damage to be done to our last pristine area. I am so low that I feel all is lost with the direction of the country.

I hope I get over this. Or at least get to feeling better.

How can this be so? How could our countrymen do this to us all?

[donheld]

173. The US that we know and love is gone

Prove to me i'm wrong.

[Ladyhawk]

174. You OK, Will? Seriously. n/t

[HeeBGBz]

175. I feel the rage

Feeling more radical every minute.

I am nearly to the point of nothing to lose. It's all lost anyway.

Who is going to stop the madness?

[mistertrickster]

179. Hell, yes. Whenever I see GW on TV, I want to kick it in.

Then I know it is the time to do some Tai Chi and read Old Lao.

"Nothing in the world is as soft and as yielding as water,
but for dissolving the hard and unyielding, nothing can surpass it."

Center yourself in the Tao.

Thinking about GW running our beloved country can drive a patriot to despair and madness.

Stoic endurance is what these times call for.

"Marcus, we are shrubs. No cedars we. No big-boned men framed of the cyclops' size. But metal, Marcus, steel to the very back. Yet, wrung with wrongs more than our backs can bear. And since there is no justice in earth nor hell, we will solicit heaven, to send down justice for to wreak our wrongs."

Titus Andronicus

[rigel99]

184. taoist wisdom helps enormously....

www.wudangtao.com

master chen is coming in april and I will get more Qi gong and Tai Chi lessons.
some taoism this evening...

58
when the country is ruled with a light hand
the people are simple
When the country is ruled with severity
the people are cunning

...
therefore the sage is sharp but not cutting
pointed but not piercing
straighforward but not unrestrained
brilliant but not blinding

23
my favorite one

when you are at one with the tao,
the tao welcomes you
when you are at one with virtue
the virtue is always there
when you are at one with loss
the loss is experienced willingly

he who does not trust enough
will not be trusted

****
shrub was particulary snotty today... did you count the sneers at the press conference? and of course IRAN now needs Democracy.. you know Iraqi style shoot em up, kill em up democracy....

[mistertrickster]

240. Thanks for that . . . I think taoism must have been developed when

China was under the repressive heel of some Emperor or another.

It transcends the injustice of the day-to-day without encouraging helplessness or giving up.

[rigel99]

243. they suffered things

we cannot even imagine..

i love that
'when you are at one with loss,
the loss is experienced willingly'

it's not about giving up, but about finding the peace in the oneness of all things... it's really quite amazing if you think about it.. this one line took me out of a 7month depression over a friend's death...

[quaker bill]

180. I am a victim of outrage fatigue.

ALthough I must admit, no matter how much I think it can't, it consistently gets worse.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

181. Still think the Bush-Hitler story is a waste of time? FASCISM, EUGENICS.

These are the vocabulary words that TV Nation needs on their 'word of the day' desk calenders.

Make a big fucking stink and don't let up. Wake up the sleepwalkers and those hiding their heads under their pillows. "It can't happen here."

C'mon, Will. You gonna nibble around the edges of American Fascism and expect TV Nation to give a shit?? MASS MURDER AS ECONOMIC POLICY?

My mother teaches college history and wonders why kids are clueless and just don't gived a shit. WAKE THEM UP WITH SOME INFO, I scream in reply. There is so much to dish out that is 'Indiana Jones'-telegenic to the ADD American Mind-

US SLAVERY+
US APARTHEID+
GENOCIDE=FASCISM AMERICAN STYLE!

1932 DUPONT COUP AGAINST FDR
GENERAL SMEDLEY BUTLER, 1937 'WAR IS A RACKET'
US CORPORATE FINANCING OF HITLER BY PRESCOTT BUSH, DULLES BROS.
AVERIL HARRIMAN, THE MARSHALL PLAN
OSS-CIA-EICHMANN'S ASSISTANTS-GEHLEN
OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD
OPERATION NORTHWOOD
MKULTRA
THE BUSH/SAUDI BUSINESS MARRIAGE
1980 REPUBLICAN CONSPIRACY WITH IRANIAN HOSTAGE HOLDERS
IRAN/CONTRA/BCCI
JOHN STOCKWELL, FORMER ANGOLA CIA STATION CHIEF BLOWS WHISTLE ON US WORLDWIDE TERRORISM
OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN, NATIO/CIA ENABLE 9/11 ATTACKS WITH EXERCISES

[JohnOneillsMemory]

186. Fascists, professional killers have run the media and country for decades.

Is this too hard to write about? Bemoaning the gradual crushing of the American Republic by gangsters seems to me to be a resignation to it.
BLOW THESE FASCISTS OUT FROM BEHIND THEIR MEDIA HIDING PLACES!

Tell the damn story of a nation led by scientifically-honed lies called PROPAGANDA for the last 60 years!

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
(The Origins of the Overclass by Steve Kangas)
>snip<

Not surprisingly, the CIA began a mission in the late 1940s to recruit American journalists on a wide scale, a mission it dubbed Operation MOCKINGBIRD. The agency wanted these journalists not only to relay any sensitive information they discovered, but also to write anti-communist, pro-capitalist propaganda when needed.

The instigators of MOCKINGBIRD were Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham was the husband of Katherine Graham, today’s publisher of the Washington Post. In fact, it was the Post’s ties to the CIA that allowed it to grow so quickly after the war, both in readership and influence. (8)

MOCKINGBIRD was extraordinarily successful. In no time, the agency had recruited at least 25 media organizations to disseminate CIA propaganda. At least 400 journalists would eventually join the CIA payroll, according to the CIA’s testimony before a stunned Church Committee in 1975. (The committee felt the true number was considerably higher.) The names of those recruited reads like a Who's Who of journalism:

* Philip and Katharine Graham (Publishers, Washington Post)
* William Paley (President, CBS)
* Henry Luce (Publisher, Time and Life magazine)
* Arthur Hays Sulzberger (Publisher, N.Y. Times)
* Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star)
* Hal Hendrix (Pulitzer Prize winner, Miami News)
* Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal)
* James Copley (Copley News Services)
* Joseph Harrison (Editor, Christian Science Monitor)
* C.D. Jackson (Fortune)
* Walter Pincus (Reporter, Washington Post)
* ABC
* NBC
* Associated Press
* United Press International
* Reuters
* Hearst Newspapers
* Scripps-Howard
* Newsweek
* magazine Mutual Broadcasting System
* Miami Herald
* Old Saturday Evening Post
* New York Herald-Tribune

Perhaps no newspaper is more important to the CIA than the Washington Post, one of the nation’s most right-wing dailies. Its location in the nation’s capitol enables the paper to maintain valuable personal contacts with leading intelligence, political and business figures. Unlike other newspapers, the Post operates its own bureaus around the world, rather than relying on AP wire services. Owner Philip Graham was a military intelligence officer in World War II, and later became close friends with CIA figures like Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Desmond FitzGerald and Richard Helms. He inherited the Post by marrying Katherine Graham, whose father owned it.

After Philip’s suicide in 1963, Katharine Graham took over the Post. Seduced by her husband’s world of government and espionage, she expanded her newspaper’s relationship with the CIA. In a 1988 speech before CIA officials at Langley, Virginia, she stated:

We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things that the general public does not need to know and shouldn’t. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows.

This quote has since become a classic among CIA critics for its belittlement of democracy and its admission that there is a political agenda behind the Post’s headlines.

Ben Bradlee was the Post’s managing editor during most of the Cold War. He worked in the U.S. Paris embassy from 1951 to 1953, where he followed orders by the CIA station chief to place propaganda in the European press. (9) Most Americans incorrectly believe that Bradlee personifies the liberal slant of the Post, given his role in publishing the Pentagon Papers and the Watergate investigations. But neither of these two incidents are what they seem. The Post merely published the Pentagon Papers after The New York Times already had, because it wanted to appear competitive. As for Watergate, we’ll examine the CIA’s reasons for wanting to bring down Nixon in a moment. Someone once asked Bradlee: "Does it irk you when The Washington Post is made out to be a bastion of slanted liberal thinkers instead of champion journalists just because of Watergate?" Bradlee responded: "Damn right it does!" (10)

It would be impossible to elaborate in this short space even the most important examples of the CIA/media alliance. Sig Mickelson was a CIA asset the entire time he was president of CBS News from 1954 to 1961. Later he went on to become president of Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, two major outlets of CIA propaganda.

The CIA also secretly bought or created its own media companies. It owned 40 percent of the Rome Daily American at a time when communists were threatening to win the Italian elections. Worse, the CIA has bought many domestic media companies. A prime example is Capital Cities, created in 1954 by CIA businessman William Casey (who would later become Reagan’s CIA director). Another founder was Lowell Thomas, a close friend and business contact with CIA Director Allen Dulles. Another founder was CIA businessman Thomas Dewey. By 1985, Capital Cities had grown so powerful that it was able to buy an entire TV network: ABC.

For those who believe in "separation of press and state," the very idea that the CIA has secret propaganda outlets throughout the media is appalling. The reason why America was so oblivious to CIA crimes in the 40s and 50s was because the media willingly complied with the agency. Even today, when the immorality of the CIA should be an open-and-shut case, "debate" about the issue rages in the media. Here is but one example:

In 1996, The San Jose Mercury News published an investigative report suggesting that the CIA had sold crack in Los Angeles to fund the Contra war in Central America. A month later, three of the CIA’s most important media allies — The Washington Post, The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times — immediately leveled their guns at the Mercury report and blasted away in an attempt to discredit it. Who wrote the Post article? Walter Pincus, longtime CIA journalist. The dangers here are obvious.

Academia

By the early 50s, CIA Director Allen Dulles had staffed the CIA almost exclusively with Ivy League graduates, especially from Yale. (A disproportionate number of CIA figures, like George Bush, come from Yale’s "Skull and Crossbones" Society.) CIA recruiters also approached thousands of other professors to work in place at their universities on a part-time, contract basis. Not stopping at recruiting scholars, the agency would go on to create several departments at elite universities, including Harvard's Russian Research Center and the Center for International Studies at MIT.

Although most academics were supportive of the CIA in the 50s, most were unaware of its abuses. In the 60s, academia would become outraged to learn that anti-communist organizations like the National Student Association were actually creations of the CIA. The most audacious CIA front was the Congress for Cultural Freedom, an organization that attracted liberal, freethinking artists and intellectuals who nonetheless deplored communism.

By the late 60s and 70s, growing reports of CIA crimes and atrocities had deeply alienated academia. Scholars were further troubled to learn that the CIA had penetrated and disrupted student antiwar groups. Unlike business and the media, academia overwhelmingly denounced the CIA after the Vietnam era. This eventually forced the CIA to turn to new places to find their analysts and scholars. The most important source was the conservative think-tank movement, which it helped to create.

[chlamor]

191. Keep Tryin'

:toast:

Expose the dirty lies. Too few want to face the depths of our national horrors and psychoses. Too few want to examine the roots of this mess.

[manna]

192. Flush the Toilet on these Nazi's

[Carl Yasutomo]

182. I sooo regret donating to Landrieu's campaign

I contributed money to her runoff campaign because it was supposedly so pivotal in influencing the Senate. If someone had told me I was helping a Republican disguised as a Democrat, I would never have contributed.

That was the last time I ever gave money to an individual campaign. I won't make that mistake again. From now I only give money to REAL progressive groups: MoveOn, DFA, People for the American Way, Media Matters, etc.

[Geo55]

183. The fire is lit......

by the time the 1st drop of ANWRs false promise hits the Alaskan air,
we will have realized the tragic policies that unfold before us now,
where the ones that consign us to the fate of all this planets failed species.

[roguevalley]

185. You should live in Alaska and see caribou running around wild

where you live. Then you would understand my despair right now.

[Ladyhawk]

205. I'm so sorry. :(

:hug:

[Warren Stupidity]

187. Is the Democratic Party useless?

[Ladyhawk]

206. Mostly useless. :(

We have been betrayed.

[Warren Stupidity]

212. They have been handed opportunity after opportunity

to claim the role of an opposition part that stands with the people and against the corporate power structure and the neoclown imperialists, and they have refused to take advantage.

It could be Party of Enron vs Party of Working Families and 2006 could be looking real good right now. Instead who the heck knows what the Democratic Party stands for? I sure don't.

I've insisted since 2000 that Nader and the Greens were going the wrong way. Now I'm not so sure anymore. The Democratic Party doesn't appear to want to win an election. The DP members of congress seem to be more interested in keeping their corporate cash than in standing together and giving people something to vote FOR.

[LittleClarkie]

188. Yesterday, yes. But better today. If it's not risking putting you over

What's the beef dujour? ANWR? Or all of it all at once?

I get those. But I don't smash. I cry instead.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

189. Since 1992 when the first anti-Clinton stories began to circulate....

...and I've gotten increasingly more volatile about certain subjects over time.

ANWR is one of them.

So is Wolfowitz for WB President.

So is forcing Russia and China into another alliance.

So are our actions in the Middle East.

I could go on, but the top of my head just rose by another millimeter.

[babylonsister]

193. No, and I don't believe you are.

Bad day indeed. You should be typing! SHIT, WTF am I 'listening' to Hager on Charlie Rose for?
Hager sucks, the blivet sucks horribly, and Will chills. He's probably asleep!
Hager: Impending catastrophe chewing up the budget? Is he a TOOL???

[juslikagrzly]

194. Yup, explosion building

we watch reruns of West Wing over and over and over ....

[BrklynLiberal]

202. So, I am not the only one who does that. Lately it seems that DU is the

only thng that keeps me sane...knowing that there are so many others out there as enraged and disappointed and frustrated and pissed off as I am.

Thanks everyone....at least I am not going thru this by myself.

[jojo54]

201. I'm just laughing

at the people who have a room full of duct tape and plastic, and letting my ass blow in the wind.

[Ellipsis]

207. No, not anymore. though my roommate neglected to duck this morning

and got his eyebrows singed when the 20 foot flame shot out of my ass.

...and Mr Pitt, whats this I hear about you "tipping bears with Fascists", we've heard of pranksters cow tipping out on the farm but tipping bears?

wait aminute... uh, never mind

Lucidity, tis a fine thing.

[Skittles]

209. it's a new horror every day

I cannot believe how far America has sunk by letting these neocon bastards get out of control

[LittleClarkie]

210. Here, you can borrow this

This is my "plotz" image.

[deacon]

211. It's like we have to take all our cash/contributers and start a new party

with real democrats in charge. The losers we have just don't represent us anymore.

It's a disgrace.

[Sugarbleus]

215. They've pretty much taken all my money, put us into a box and

soon they'll be coming to put this "box" into "storage"....

When you remember me, think of me fondly okay? =o|

[DemonFighterLives]

214. So many demons

So little time.

O8) :freak: O8) :freak: :argh: :hurts: :nuke:

[ScreamingMeemie]

222. Yesterday I watched two men get into a screaming match (in the suburbs)

to the point where I thouht to myself, "Hit the ground, someone's gonna pull a gun." It seems as if the entire country is on the verge of losing it. Civility is truly a thin veneer.

[Solly Mack]

228. since the Clinton years? near the edge...since Nov. 2000? on the edge

...since December 12, 2000?...over the edge & it's been one incredibly long nightmarish fall...and I'm still falling.

What the reichwing did during the Clinton years...all those years of attacks on America and Americans cloaked in attacks against Clinton...yes, they attacked Clinton but the real victims were America and Americans...

Then came Selection 2000...

I don't even count the last election...How can someone who was selected not elected to office be "re-"-elected?...Nothing kosher about the last election to my way of thinking...

I was called the "fringe" by republicans and (some) democrats alike...I was/am "too" left..."too" radical...."too" out of touch with "mainstream"...My anger's been palpable for years now. ANWR didn't send me over the edge...it came as I was already falling... and when I look down I see that , like me, America is closing in on rock bottom...the only difference being is I'll go SPLAT! while far too many Americans will believe that hitting rock bottom is not only patriotic but the way it's always been....

[Suziq]

233. I Cried Uncontrollably . . .

after hearing about the coming destruction of ANWR. I am losing hope.

I caught the rerun on C-SPAN this morning with MoveOn and the Democratic Senators. It was wonderful. Today, I do not feel so hopeless.


:hippie:

[gasperc]

235. I presume this over Wolfowitz nomination, or condi's oops

I didn't just give away the new election date? what a dolt!!!

[Taverner]

245. No - I gave up hope

Partially in 2000, then fully in 2004

Now I have no hope for the system. Thank God there are some out there like you who still do.

[BlueIris]

247. This is SO how I feel.

Sorry to kick this post, but I needed to contribute my unfortunate GOD yes to this sentiment. To the posters who mentioned BP issues, I am right there with you. Yesterday and especially Tuesday were major high BP days for me. I don't know about the rest of you, but the worst part of this situation for me is having few outlets, beyond the online world, in which to vent these feelings. I have a roommate who, while she voted for Kerry and all, ignores news sources with any form of truth in them and keeps telling me to stop getting so emotionally involved in this "stuff."

[DemonFighterLives]

248. Don't listen to the roommate

Welcome to DU! :)