I Will "Bash" The HELL Out Of This Country!

[matcom]

whatEVER YOUR definition is...

i'm not shy.

got a problem with it?

TOUGH SHIT!

I'll "bash" it until it's FIXED!!

and if YOU have a PROBLEM with it, then YOU don't LOVE IT as much as I do!

i'll "bash" the PISS out of it as long as it needs "bashing"

tough love I say.

[DebJ]

1. better to bash it then to bu**sh it

[Jesus Saves]

2. Bash away brother

Just don't lose sight of the good while you do it.

[whistle]

3. Bash Bush and the guilty power elite

[MikeG]

4. Fuckin A, matcom.

[Jesus Saves]

5. No one questioned your right to bash to your heart's content

All that was questioned was the content of some people's bashing.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

11. The Content? Who are YOU to judge?

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Dissent is patriotic.

[Jesus Saves]

44. Who is anyone to judge?

Yeah that's right dissent is patriotic.

And that's exactly what I'm doing dissenting.

I'm not judging the content of their souls, just the accuracy of their words.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

52. "Accuracy of their words"

I don't see you posting anything to accurate. So again, who are you to judge. And why the hell am I wasting my time with you?

[meganmonkey]

45. When you see someone post such things,

such America-bashing things, ask them about it in the thread they posted it. Don't act like you weren't begging for this by posting a thread about this - 2, actually.

(biting my tongue. well, fingers, as the case may be)

That's all :grr:

[donheld]

6. It's my country shouldn't i be allowed to bash what's mine?

:shrug:

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[matcom]

9. got it.

care to elaborate?

[Jesus Saves]

16. People who say things like

"The founding principles of this country were genocide and slavery."

People like that see only the bad.

Comments like those above are an infantile oversimplification of history. Yet those who wield such comments cling to them like a toddler clings to a security blanket.

[matcom]

19. i would LOVE a link to where I said that

or anything SIMILAR

you miss the point oh, "nailed" one

see, i actually LIVE here and i actually have SERVED here. see, *I* have that RIGHT because I have EARNED it.

got a prob with it? tough fucking SHITE!

[Jesus Saves]

20. Is everything about you?

Do you think I started my original thread attacking you? Cuz that's how you are acting.

[matcom]

22. yeah, you attacked me

you attacked MY RIGHT to "bash" MY own country (and decided to define 'bashing' at the same time)

damned right you attacked me and everyone else who fights day in and day out here (and elsewhere)

must be easy.

as Pitt said, DEFINE it, DEFEND it, put it up.

[Jesus Saves]

25. You assumed you were included within the 'few' of my original post

Well so be it. I've already defined it.

[matcom]

28. i assume NO such thing

however, you paint with a broad brush oh enlightened one.

haven't you figured it out yet? you attack ONE of us, you attack us ALL

[Jesus Saves]

30. You asked for an example

I gave you one.

You took great umbrage at that, and asked, 'oh , where did *I* say that?"

It's pretty comical.

[Taxloss]

32. Hey, turn the other cheek.

I read that in a book somewhere.

[Jesus Saves]

34. It doesn't say you can't laugh

or point out something you consider to be a factual error.

[Taxloss]

41. Where was the error?

Slavery, you can't deny. And it should be clear that the Native Americans are less than equal partners in your country. And that they were murdered in their thousands for no less crime than resisting invasion.

[matcom]

33. and who are YOU to judge ANYONE'S view point?

comical it may be but you don't live here. so who are YOU to judge? and more important perhaps...

WHY?

[Jesus Saves]

35. What are talking about?

I honestly don't know?

I can't question anyone now?

That seems to be something you do a lot.

[RevolutionaryActs]

47. May I ask you something?

What were before you were born again?

Edit: Would you also answer my other question? I asked you, Who was over simplifying history? And what did they say?

[Taxloss]

50. Would you mind answering the points I made in post #41?

Thanks.

[Jesus Saves]

57. There's nothing to answer

The errors of fact I referred to was when he said I attacked him, or singled him out in some way.

[Taxloss]

36. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

Another thing I read in a book. I wish I could remember the name of that book!

[CatWoman]

42. rocks?

seems like boulders to me.

[Rex]

70. It's all about Jesus!

:evilgrin:

[riverwalker]

24. that is the most creepy jesus pic

I've ever seen.
Carry on.

[mopaul]

31. thats the shroud of turin model jesus face

an artist's conception, using the shroud of turin as a model i believe

[Jesus Saves]

38. You're correct - nm

[Taxloss]

27. "Jesus saves"

Isn't that an enormous generalisation, and an over-simplification?

[TankLV]

62. All others are forced to put it on their credit cards - to the hilt.

[H2O Man]

43. Actually, Martin Luther King, Jr.

said that our country was founded on the genocide of the Indians, and the slavery of the Africans. He was correct, and there is nothing immature about noting that fact. A funny thing is that in the Autobiography of Malcolm X, Minister Malcolm quotes King on that, and many on the left would attribute the quote from the book to Malcolm, because it sounded harsh. Sometimes the truth is harsh: Martin told the truth.

[Jesus Saves]

53. He saw the good and the bad

He wasn't afraid to reach back. He didn't want to throw it all away.

"Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity."

"When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

[H2O Man]

56. He saw the good and the bad,

but we should never forget that he was despised by many for telling the truth about the history of the problems that were still causing misery for millions of Americans in the 1960s. He was considered an "America basher" for saying the exact same things that the OP said. He was portrayed as an enemy of the state. If Martin were alive today, Dick Cheney would insist on his being held in a Cuban jail where he would not be allowed to author any letters.

[Jesus Saves]

58. I know all that

He was also Christian.

[H2O Man]

59. Yes.

Martin was.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

51. Only see the bad???

Lord! (not you) I don't think one needs to look at the world through turd colored lenses to acknowledge that what you were taught in history class was not the way it happened.

While I think it's pissing in the wind to discuss who the world would be better off without be it Republicans, Christian or overzealous Michael Jackson fans, I do think it is VERY worthwhile to discuss not ONLY the genocide that preceded us but the over 400 treaties we have broken with native Americans while we bomb the mother loving fuck out of innocent Iraqi's for a couple of broken UN resolutions.

[TankLV]

61. You do know there were big time arguments on slavery and how much a black

person was worth - and that the founding constitution held that they were 3/5's or 2/5's a white man. And that WOMEN held no rights - they were also considered property.

Check on the part about being founded on slavery.

You do know that our first couple hundred years consisted on trying to eradicate and eliminate the native americans from anywhere the WHITE men desired to settle - not co-exist, not share - but ELIMINTATE. Do "reservations" ring a bell.

Check on the part about genocide.

So whoever said that, was 2 for 2.

Or what is YOUR fantasy about our history?

And the repukes want to hold that the "original intent" of the constitution - those above mentioned ideals - should be the supreme law of the land today.

I and everyone other than repukes believe that we are a living breathing growing entity - that we can and should do better than what our original start got us.

Equality and Justice for ALL.

That is what we should be striving for.

And the fact that these criminals want to take us BACK - away from the previous high ground we once held - I will take pleasure in bashing what WE'VE BECOME until I see a return to liberal progressive values.

[Jesus Saves]

63. Check out Thomas Jefferson's views on slavery.

You might be surprised.

His original draft of the Declaration condemned it.

[TankLV]

64. And the final version upheld what I posted. He lost to the bigoted slave

holders.

Or don't you remember a thing called a Civil War, and the ammendments that followed, plus the ones "granting" (nice of us white men to be in a position to do that, isn't it?) women and blacks the right to vote, the civil rights act, etc., etc.?

[Jesus Saves]

65. I recognize all that

TJ and the other foudners did what they could during their time. They were people of great vision and they started a country where we had the right to try and fight for change. They recognized individual rights. They paved the way for the advances that followed. That's what makes America great. We got the machinery for change.

[juslikagrzly]

67. What is surprising about it?

He was conflicted and as all of us are wont to do, he caved to the political pressures of his time. He owned slaves, he fathered children with at least one of his slaves. Jefferson was a very complex, intelligent person. What is your point?

BTW, not to bash america, but have you read any of the first person accounts of Columbus' voyage to the "new world" which outline the slavery and genocide? Would you agree that Columbus and other so-called conquerors of the new world set the stage for oppression and slavery? Nothing new in the history of humankind, of course, but we need not sugar-coat it.

As responsible citizenry it is our duty to see our country warts and all. The ideals expressed in our constitution and declaration of independence are worthy aspirations... but it is important to remember that even those hallowed documents called for rights for the privileged and educated--not for the average man, let alone woman, indigenous person, african slave, or child.

Maybe what we americans do, when we are at our best, is squarely face ourselves in the mirror and bash away. It seems to me that too many today own a mirror just like the one in Snow White..."you my queen are the most beautiful in all the world".

Kind of gives one a savior complex :) to believe such shit!

[Walt Starr]

69. I can PROVE this nation was founded upon slavery

Go to the founding document of this nation. Read Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 where slaves are defined as three-fifths of a person.

[CatWoman]

10. aren't you late for supper???

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[CatWoman]

13. ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

pizza.................

:hi:

[Solly Mack]

17. I can smell the aroma of pizza too.

[0007]

71. I love it!

Hear the one about Jays'us that walked into the Holiday Inn, put three nails on the counter and ask the clerk if he could put him up for the night?

[RevolutionaryActs]

14. Who was over simplifying history?

I missed that in the other threads, do tell what they said.

[LittleClarkie]

15. There is a difference indeed between criticizing and bashing

Bashing oversimplifies. Bashing often doesn't have the truth on it's side.

Bashing is often loud and not terribly coherent.

I will not practice "percussive maintenance" on my country. One poster said that it should be okay to bash what is yours. Sounds rather like what I did to my toys as a child. Problem is, you tend to break them that way.

I'd rather the stuffins didn't come out of my country.

[Taxloss]

18. Sometimes, things need to be re-stuffed.

[hfojvt]

29. also a difference between criticism and correction

difference between "tearing down" and "repairing".

[LittleClarkie]

37. Indeed, we wouldn't want to fix the country

in the same way that Bush wants to "fix" Social Security.

Or fix the Dem Party in the same way one might "fix" a cat, rendering it impotent.

I think I just weirded myself out.

[ultraist]

21. That's real "Christian" like: "got it?"

Threats, righteousness, and being judgmental is not very "Jesus" like.

BTW, Jesus was a Black man.

[LittleClarkie]

39. That's a threat?

Hrm.

btw, wasn't he sorta "Arab" colored? Kinda olive-ish? Or are we going with a more Saddat coloration.

[KG]

8. America-bashing gives me a chubb

:)

[Skip Intro]

23. Perfect.

:thumbsup:

[guitar man]

26. I won't bash America

...but I'll bash it's government, especially this farce of a misadministration 24/7! ;)

[Junkdrawer]

40. Bash "America" or "The People of America"...

because in so much as the government of the US oppresses the people of the US, I'll bash away...

[sendero]

46. I see America like I do my kids..

... I love them, but if they fuck up they will hear about it.

[Fenris]

48. I will drink the HELL out of this beer.

;):beer:

[CatWoman]

49. HEY!!!

no fair!!

SHARE!!!!

[Fenris]

55. Don't worry baby

There's plenty for you.;)

:beer:

[LittleClarkie]

60. Sort of an alcoholic exorcism?

Oy.

[Stop_the_War]

54. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!!!!!!

[Bouncy Ball]

66. RIGHT ON.

[Gabi Hayes]

68. how DARE you!?!

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